Fear the Walking Dead

[Dove]

For now there are street patrols killing walkers. Easy pickins at the moment.

As for the distant house with the flashes...is someone holed up shooting walkers?

 

[Chuck]

For now there are street patrols killing walkers. Easy pickins at the moment.

As for the distant house with the flashes...is someone holed up shooting walkers?

I figured that the flashes were the gov. shooting sick people and other undesirables before they turn or cause other problems.

 

[HuskyCLT]

I was under the impression that the flashes was a person stuck there, under distress and looking for someone to save them. At the end of the show, it looked a lot like Travis witnessed the military killing them (I believe he told them about the flashing light? May need to re-watch).

From when Madison snuck out of the safe zone, it became very clear that the military are essentially going to kill anyone outside the zone - they view them as a threat. Had she been caught by the military group, she could have been killed too. When she looked over under the car, she saw a lady who was shot in the head, but didn't appear to have been infected - and she notes that the government will kill anyone. I'm assuming the person creating the flashes from afar was aware of this and looking for help from anyone non-military.

For the reason they took Nick and Griselda - it is really up to speculation. There is a chance that they realize that anyone who dies will become a walker, and they are preemptively removing anyone who can become a threat (they see Griselda's foot, Nick's drug addiction/potential effects from withdrawal as threats). I have also wondered if they are going to target these types of people to use for a type of scientific research with the virus - take the sick people, ones that are unexpected and see how they react to certain experiments. It seems that they are going to attempt to kill these people - Daniel's story about his childhood friends and when he calls his father a fool essentially confirms this. It also confirms that next week's episode is about to get wild, no way they aren't going to try and save them. Daniel isn't going to be fooled by the government twice, and Nick seems like too important of a character to kill off right away. It is an extension of the Walking Dead, so anything goes, but I just don't buy that it's this soon.

Maybe this is the point where Travis takes off his rose colored lenses and gets real about it - no more sugar coating and pretending society will return and things will be okay. They took Nick and hit him with the butt of their rifle, clearly unreasonable. He saw the gunshots on the person flashing light signals (we're pretty sure). The military can't be trusted, and he's seen it first hand. Time to start the killing stuff.

 

[meyers7]

I was under the impression that the flashes was a person stuck there, under distress and looking for someone to save them. At the end of the show, it looked a lot like Travis witnessed the military killing them (I believe he told them about the flashing light? May need to re-watch).

I think Travis will probably realize or believe he gave up the people with the flashing light to the Commander.

For the reason they took Nick and Griselda - it is really up to speculation. There is a chance that they realize that anyone who dies will become a walker, and they are preemptively removing anyone who can become a threat (they see Griselda's foot, Nick's drug addiction/potential effects from withdrawal as threats). I have also wondered if they are going to target these types of people to use for a type of scientific research with the virus - take the sick people, ones that are unexpected and see how they react to certain experiments. It seems that they are going to attempt to kill these people - Daniel's story about his childhood friends and when he calls his father a fool essentially confirms this. It also confirms that next week's episode is about to get wild, no way they aren't going to try and save them. Daniel isn't going to be fooled by the government twice, and Nick seems like too important of a character to kill off right away. It is an extension of the Walking Dead, so anything goes, but I just don't buy that it's this soon.

Agree, they took the guy with the heart problem, they took the guy who was depressed, might kill himself. I believe the government knows about people turning after they die, but the people don't seem to. Although it seems Alicia just figured out the Chinese lady (babysitter) had committed suicide. And Nick thinks they're dead people. Eventually they'll figure it out.

The other thing to think about is that every town/county/state probably doesn't fall like Atlanta/King County/Georgia did. I imagine some places the government held up better. Remember in Season 2 when Rick killed the two guys in the bar, they talked about Nebraska having like "safe zones".

Maybe this is the point where Travis takes off his rose colored lenses and gets real about it - no more sugar coating and pretending society will return and things will be okay. They took Nick and hit him with the butt of their rifle, clearly unreasonable. He saw the gunshots on the person flashing light signals (we're pretty sure). The military can't be trusted, and he's seen it first hand. Time to start the killing stuff.

I think he'll have to or Madison isn't gonna put up with him. She's already kind of blaming Liza for ratting out Nick and getting him taken away, and Travis was the one who brought Liza to the house. He's either gonna have to help her get her son back or she'll write him off.

 

[HuskyCLT]

The other thing to think about is that every town/county/state probably doesn't fall like Atlanta/King County/Georgia did. I imagine some places the government held up better. Remember in Season 2 when Rick killed the two guys in the bar, they talked about Nebraska having like "safe zones".

That's right, I forgot about that. TBH, it seems like a really tough situation for the government/military. If you take the humanitarian approach and try to save everybody, you are likely going to end up having an epidemic with a bunch of people turning into walkers, biting others, spreading, etc. On the other hand, you have this military group in FTWD where they are being ridiculously pro-active, but it may come back to bite them when people likely uprise.

I think he'll have to or Madison isn't gonna put up with him. She's already kind of blaming Liza for ratting out Nick and getting him taken away, and Travis was the one who brought Liza to the house. He's either gonna have to help her get her son back or she'll write him off.

This is true. The fact that Travis seemed to defend Liza in the first place that she was trying to give help absolutely pissed Madison off. Now that they took Nick away and the last thing she saw was Liza getting on the truck with the Army doctor and others, she is going to be absolutely enraged. I can see that the seeds of mistrust are likely already in place - she thinks Liza had to do with Nick getting taken away and probably thinks she is in on it (possibly even the potential killing of him). She also will probably not trust Travis and his son Christopher as much, knowing that they are likely going to defend her to some degree, as it's Christopher's mother. I would be scared of a woman whose son just got taken, and she seems like she will go NUTS - she already had the cojones to sneak out of the safe zone in the first place - and now she seems like her and Daniel will be a team.

 

[Deadrody]

TBH, it seems like a really tough situation for the government/military. If you take the humanitarian approach and try to save everybody, you are likely going to end up having an epidemic with a bunch of people turning into walkers, biting others, spreading, etc. On the other hand, you have this military group in FTWD where they are being ridiculously pro-active, but it may come back to bite them when people likely uprise.

The thing is, you have to remember that when this happens, people are going to stop going to work. That includes power plants, electrical grid operators, everything. Without power, you have no infrastructure. Without infrastructure, you have no communications and every national guard unit is going to end up on their own at some point, eventually only being counted on to the extent that their leadership - at low levels - is committed to the mission.

Some places would be ok, but others would be a complete disaster.

 

[meyers7]

The thing is, you have to remember that when this happens, people are going to stop going to work. That includes power plants, electrical grid operators, everything. Without power, you have no infrastructure. Without infrastructure, you have no communications and every national guard unit is going to end up on their own at some point, eventually only being counted on to the extent that their leadership - at low levels - is committed to the mission.

Some places would be ok, but others would be a complete disaster.

And I think these are National Guard units. Not regular Army. It's really their weekend duty. They are not full timers. They also most likely have family nearby which could/would complicate things.

 

[HuskyCLT]

And I think these are National Guard units. Not regular Army. It's really their weekend duty. They are not full timers. They also most likely have family nearby which could/would complicate things.

Yes, I looked it up, they're California National Guard. Good point about the families being around - wonder if that will come into play. If they lost loved ones to the virus, I can see how their psyche would be effected and impact the way they operate.

 

[meyers7]

I like the new guy they added in this week, Victor Strand. The guy with Nick in the pen. It will be interesting to see what use he has for Nick. Don't know if we've had a character like him on TWD either. A wealthy, slick kind of guy. Wonder if they will use the Corporal. Don't know if he'd help them after he was tortured. But he still seemed enamored with Ofelia.

Interesting how far they go in the last episode to resolve some things, and set up things for next season.

 

[HuskyCLT]

I like the new guy they added in this week, Victor Strand. The guy with Nick in the pen. It will be interesting to see what use he has for Nick. Don't know if we've had a character like him on TWD either. A wealthy, slick kind of guy. Wonder if they will use the Corporal. Don't know if he'd help them after he was tortured. But he still seemed enamored with Ofelia.

Interesting how far they go in the last episode to resolve some things, and set up things for next season.

I think this guy is going to be very interesting. Victor really emphasized that Nick was a heroin addict, and I'm assuming the type of skills that would come with that are deceit, breaking in places, stealing, etc. It is clear that Nick is gifted with these skills - already shown by him escaping the hospital in the first episode, using a screwdriver to try and break into that house window, and by sneaking under that guy's bed and using his morphine drip. He also has shown he is somewhat capable of lying - at least to his mother regarding his drug use. It is going to be very interesting to see exactly what they do to try and escape that military lockup before 9AM.

I think the corporal has an understanding of why he was tortured. And it was certainly for good reason, as the information they got was pretty much needed. The fact that he is enamored with Ophelia still means he doesn't have a family and kids to go back to like some of the soldiers, and he could very well try to join them and help. He seemed to be one of the soldiers struggling with the morality of the situations the Guard are placed in.

I'm really curious to find out what Daniel is going to plan on doing with all of the walkers inside of the coliseum that he comes across at the end of the episode. It was obviously him seeing first hand how crazy and dangerous the problem they are facing really is - but I wonder if he tries to release them on purpose to stop the military. I can imagine if he went straight to torturing a soldier, that he would go to pretty extreme lengths to get his wife back. He will obviously be disappointed, but at least they didn't let her turn. I don't see how almost any of the people trust Elizabeth after she gets out (if she does, of course).

PS How about Travis not being able to shoot that walker in the store? I mean, come on, tell me that wouldn't be an awesome shot to take. Zombie, moving slow, cool 50 Cal that I'd never be able to touch otherwise, clean shot. Guy needs to grow up, fast. He's being quite cowardly in that respect. I hope actually seeing the dangers that some of those walkers posed will open his eyes.

 

[meyers7]

PS How about Travis not being able to shoot that walker in the store? I mean, come on, tell me that wouldn't be an awesome shot to take. Zombie, moving slow, cool 50 Cal that I'd never be able to touch otherwise, clean shot. Guy needs to grow up, fast. He's being quite cowardly in that respect. I hope actually seeing the dangers that some of those walkers posed will open his eyes.

I kind of like that they have a character sticking to his belief system. It hasn't been that long since it all began. A couple weeks. Hershel was still putting walkers in the barn and feeding them a few months or so into it. Something more traumatic has to take place for him (which it will or he dies). Also, I don't think he's quite aware or believes yet, that they are dead and have come back.

 

[Chuck]

I kind of like that they have a character sticking to his belief system. It hasn't been that long since it all began. A couple weeks. Hershel was still putting walkers in the barn and feeding them a few months or so into it. Something more traumatic has to take place for him (which it will or he dies). Also, I don't think he's quite aware or believes yet, that they are dead and have come back.

I think there's going to be something big in his past that results in his inability to use a guy in particular. There have been a few references. Maybe he killed a friend/relative because of his former temper or accidentally. At some point he'll break through and it may not be pretty.

 

[meyers7]

Good season finale. Lot's of action, a couple twists. And a nice set up for next season.

The Abigail is gonna take this show in a very different direction than TWD. Glad to that. Was wondering how they were gonna keep this from being TWD West Coast.

 

[Chuck]

Good season finale. Lot's of action, a couple twists. And a nice set up for next season.

The Abigail is gonna take this show in a very different direction than TWD. Glad to that. Was wondering how they were gonna keep this from being TWD West Coast.

That escalated quickly!

Solid finale. I wasn't sure if I was going to care about the season being over, but I think I'm looking forward to the next season. Couple comments / questions:

- My wife and I were discussing which main character was going to die. Ophelia made some sense, but it didn't seem impactful enough. Daniel was the only one that would really care. When it looked like she'd survive, we were just waiting for a random beach zombie or something. The ex dying was surprise because I thought they were going to want to play out the conflict in the "family."

- Looks like Travis had his moment and it didn't take much damage to get there. Ophelia should be okay, but Travis now knows this is a different world. Madison now respects him also.

- The Ophelia shooting did seem a bit forced, however. He only got off one shot? I guess he wanted Daniel to suffer, but that was pretty hard core to shoot Ophelia first.

- The doctor was looking like a potentially great character. I'm assuming she had a lot of war experience and she seemed like she was doing good. She was either a captain going down with her ship, or we're going to see her again. I'm assuming/hoping for the latter.

- The group got hardened pretty quickly. I don't care how slow the walkers are, opening up that arena was extreme for where their heads should be at.

- A boat like Abigail is going to need a lot of gas. Is this going to become "Water World: The TV Series"? I'm foreseeing pirates and ghost ships filled with zombies.

 

[meyers7]

That escalated quickly!

Yea, they made up for the lack of zombies real quick.

- My wife and I were discussing which main character was going to die. Ophelia made some sense, but it didn't seem impactful enough. Daniel was the only one that would really care. When it looked like she'd survive, we were just waiting for a random beach zombie or something. The ex dying was surprise because I thought they were going to want to play out the conflict in the "family."

Wasn't sure they'd take any of the main characters out. They basically killed the Dr and the soldier, so didn't know if they'd so anymore. But nice touch to add in Travis killing his ex. (how cool would that be, I can't wait for the apocalypse )

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- Looks like Travis had his moment and it didn't take much damage to get there. Ophelia should be okay, but Travis now knows this is a different world. Madison now respects him also.

On the Talking Dead after the show, the Travis actor talked about, Travis likes order and when he makes a deal (like with the soldier) he's not fond of being double crossed. And it was kind of a build up of all that had happened. And the realization that order was gone. I think part of it was he was pissed he now knew he couldn't trust anyone. And he likes order and trusting people.

- The Ophelia shooting did seem a bit forced, however. He only got off one shot? I guess he wanted Daniel to suffer, but that was pretty hard core to shoot Ophelia first.

A couple things on that. One, I think it was to hurt Daniel. Two, I think it was to shut her up. She was probably the only one who could talk him out of it. Three, she was the one who used him for meds, brought him to her father, and didn't do anything to stop her father from torturing him. Sooo...wing shot b!tch.

- The doctor was looking like a potentially great character. I'm assuming she had a lot of war experience and she seemed like she was doing good. She was either a captain going down with her ship, or we're going to see her again. I'm assuming/hoping for the latter.

I'm thinking she took the No Country for Old Men way out and went down with the ship. Too bad, she could have been a good character and they'd have had a Dr too. But this of course makes their way much tougher.

- The group got hardened pretty quickly. I don't care how slow the walkers are, opening up that arena was extreme for where their heads should be at.

Well that was Daniel's idea/doing and he seems pretty hardened from the El Salvador rebellions. Don't think any of the rest of them would have thought of that. He's pretty cold really.

- A boat like Abigail is going to need a lot of gas. Is this going to become "Water World: The TV Series"? I'm foreseeing pirates and ghost ships filled with zombies.

It could be interesting. If/when they get to the boat, I suppose that will be an adventure itself, yea that will make for some cool stuff. They will have to make "port calls" for supplies. That will open up all kinds of things. Plus like you said, pirates?, islands? Could be much different than TWD.

 

[HuskyCLT]

That escalated quickly!

Solid finale. I wasn't sure if I was going to care about the season being over, but I think I'm looking forward to the next season. Couple comments / questions:

- My wife and I were discussing which main character was going to die. Ophelia made some sense, but it didn't seem impactful enough. Daniel was the only one that would really care. When it looked like she'd survive, we were just waiting for a random beach zombie or something. The ex dying was surprise because I thought they were going to want to play out the conflict in the "family."

- Looks like Travis had his moment and it didn't take much damage to get there. Ophelia should be okay, but Travis now knows this is a different world. Madison now respects him also.

- The Ophelia shooting did seem a bit forced, however. He only got off one shot? I guess he wanted Daniel to suffer, but that was pretty hard core to shoot Ophelia first.

- The doctor was looking like a potentially great character. I'm assuming she had a lot of war experience and she seemed like she was doing good. She was either a captain going down with her ship, or we're going to see her again. I'm assuming/hoping for the latter.

- The group got hardened pretty quickly. I don't care how slow the walkers are, opening up that arena was extreme for where their heads should be at.

- A boat like Abigail is going to need a lot of gas. Is this going to become "Water World: The TV Series"? I'm foreseeing pirates and ghost ships filled with zombies.

I thought the finale was pretty awesome. All the characters in the show are now "caught up" to where we all are - as in they know that you turn when you die, if you get bitten you die from the infection, etc.

I agree that the idea to let all 2,000 zombies out of the arena was very extreme based on where they seemed to be mentally at that point - I'm not sure that they had killed more than just one zombie combined between all of them by that point. I guess they knew that Nick (and at the time Griselda) were going to be killed when the soldiers evacuated, so they had to go all out. I'm sure they knew that them alone would pose no threat to the soldiers, and only a huge swarm of zombies would be able to distract them. Crazy to see.

Travis absolutely knows he's in a different world now. After seeing him beat that guy's face in, it became clear that he won't be so trusting of people anymore. He took the soldier by his word, and he came back and shot Ophelia and basically lied to and used Travis. Interesting that we didn't see him actually die which leaves a possible return up for speculation (not likely, but possible). Couple that with having to shoot his ex-wife and child's mother in the head, he has had to face the reality of this new real world. I have a feeling he is ready to become the alpha-male and step up to do what is necessary now. He has a family to protect and knows there are no more games. Madison definitely respects him now, the people he will have the most trouble leading will clearly be Strand and Nick. I think Daniel too, but I imagine that him and Daniel will share more mutual respect and insight on their ideas after their loss. Travis also defended Ophelia by righting his mistake and beating that soldier's face in (a mistake he still made, though, in Daniel's eyes).

Nick had a very interesting comment to his mother when they were looking over the ocean. He said that he has been living like this as a heroin addict for years, and now people finally catching up to him. It's clear that Victor Strand was right in what he saw in Nick. He will likely be good at navigating dangerous places, and I would guess in getting hard-to-reach places and sneaking by zombies, etc.

I'm excited to see them go on the Abigail. I wonder how long they will last on the ship, how often they will need to stop for gas/supplies, etc. The thing is, I really don't trust Strand at all. He has an agenda with everything he does, and has shown that he's willing to leave other people behind to get himself ahead (by not freeing others from imprisonment). He might be very helpful with his abundance of supplies and his ship, but he will only take everyone else as far as he wants to go. It wouldn't totally surprise me if he left them for dead somewhere to help himself out. He seems to pride himself on being a phenomenal salesman, so it doesn't quite seem like he was afraid to step on other's toes to get ahead before the apocalypse, and I don't think he would care to after. After all, he "embraces the madness."

I'm wondering if they stay in the greater LA area, or if they just head for somewhere completely different via boat. I do love that they aren't just making this exactly the same as TWD, although it is impossible to not share similarities when you have a group of people together in the same zombie apocalypse situation.

 

[HuskyCLT]

It could be interesting. If/when they get to the boat, I suppose that will be an adventure itself, yea that will make for some cool stuff. They will have to make "port calls" for supplies. That will open up all kinds of things. Plus like you said, pirates?, islands? Could be much different than TWD.

Can zombies walk underwater? I wonder how that works. The only thing I've seen in TWD was a zombie trying to cross a river and getting swept away in the current. Can't wait. Thank god we have TWD starting this next Sunday, though.

 

[SAMCRO]

This show definitely got better with every episode. Good season finale.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

My thought after the finale was where do they go from here. Once the zombies were released en masse and people started looking for their own safe places, doesn't the show become The Walking Dead? I'll watch next season, but I have no clue what they'll do to keep it as a different show.

 

[meyers7]

My thought after the finale was where do they go from here. Once the zombies were released en masse and people started looking for their own safe places, doesn't the show become The Walking Dead? I'll watch next season, but I have no clue what they'll do to keep it as a different show.

umm being on a boat out in the ocean for starters.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

umm being on a boat out in the ocean for starters.

I didn't get that the boat was the plan. I have to admit I was half working/half listening & watching the finale. On the surface a boat sounds limiting, but I'll wait and see.

 

[meyers7]

On the surface a boat sounds limiting, but I'll wait and see.

I suppose it could sink.

I think it will could be very liberating. First you'll have getting to the boat. That could be an adventure itself. What's on the boat when they get there. Then you can have them fighting off pirates/zombies or having to pull into different places. An island, San Francisco, Mexico, all kinds of different ways this can go.

 

[SAMCRO]

I suppose it could sink.

I think it will could be very liberating. First you'll have getting to the boat. That could be an adventure itself. What's on the boat when they get there. Then you can have them fighting off pirates/zombies or having to pull into different places. An island, San Francisco, Mexico, all kinds of different ways this can go.

Can zombies swim? I don't think zombies can swim. At least I've never seen a zombie swimming. They can't drown though, so maybe they would float. If zombies can float, that could be a problem, but how would they get up the side of the boat and on board? I vote boat as the way to survive my zombie apocalypse (note to self...take sailing lessons).

 

[Chuck]

Can zombies swim? I don't think zombies can swim. At least I've never seen a zombie swimming. They can't drown though, so maybe they would float. If zombies can float, that could be a problem, but how would they get up the side of the boat and on board? I vote boat as the way to survive my zombie apocalypse (note to self...take sailing lessons).

I actually gave this some thought, which is a bit embarrassing. I've watched all the TWD and FTWD episodes, but rarely see the Talking Dead and I haven't read the comics.

In TWD, we saw zombies washed away, but we don't know if they died. We also had the zombie in the well on the farm, that split in half, but I think he was just waterlogged, but his head was above water. We also had a zombie come out of the mud by the river and take the governor's adopted kid. Being in that mud would be like drowning.

I think the virus uses the brain as a remote control rather than having any thoughts. Catastrophic brain injury cuts off the control. Oxygen deprivation wouldn't cut off that control. So I think the zombies would be okay under water. Could be cool to see (as a tv watcher... not an apocalypse survivor) "schools" of them, like the herds on land.

 

[StoweD210]

Did the yacht look like poorly executed CGI to anyone else? Like it didn't quite fit in with the water around it.

It's a very minor thing, but, to me, it was kind of jarring how convincing they make the "fake stuff" look but then a shot of something real came off as unrealistic looking.

I'm interested in more backstory in Victor Strand. How did he end up locked up by the military? He's a smart, persuasive guy with means. It seemed like a situation he could have been able to avoid in the first place. I'm also wondering why he stuck with the group. On the one hand, they did save him, but he has no other ties to them. He hadn't made any arrangements with friends, family, associates when things started to go bad? Or maybe his plan is stick with the current group until a better option presents itself.

 

[Chuck]

We still have a while until the next episode, but I wanted to throw out a prediction. Madison has a dark past and her name isn't Madison.

Her name was bothering my wife. Nobody was named Madison when we were growing up (born in '71). The movie Splash made it a girls name. The actress is 50. We looked it up, and there were less than 4 girls in the US named Madison each year until the 80s. I'm guessing that she changed her name at some point since I don't think the writers would miss that discrepancy.