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CL82 said:
Here are the things that leap off the page to me from the article:
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If Connecticut is one of the four best teams in the nation, with the second best likelihood of winning the entire tournament, why aren’t they a one seed? If they were the one seed in Bridgeport, no one has an issue.

For what it’s worth, on the Men’s side Duke and North Carolina have been playing in Greensboro for years. Where was all the outrage then?
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Good gosh man.... for the third time this thread... there is a difference in playing first and second round games in Greensboro as opposed to having regionals. NC has had two men's regionals in the past 30 years. 1998 and 2008. One in Greensboro, one in Charlotte. Duke appeared in neither. The 1994 FInal Four was held in Charlotte.... Duke appeared in that one. The 1974 Final Four was in Greensboro... NC State cut down the nets.... ending UCLA's string of championships. One thing people have failed to mention... two of the three times that Duke MBB have played in NC since 2010.. 2012 in Greensboro, and 2014 in Raleigh, they have lost in the first round... some home court advantage.
 
I don’t think it’s fair that any team in the Tournament has home games. I don’t think it’s fair that any team in the Tournament doesn’t have to leave their own state before the Final Four. It’s wrong and should be corrected.
 
visitingcock said:
Yes, it is fair.

It was earned - not given!
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triaddukefan said:
Good gosh man.... for the third time this thread... there is a difference in playing first and second round games in Greensboro as opposed to having regionals. NC has had two men's regionals in the past 30 years. 1998 and 2008. One in Greensboro, one in Charlotte. Duke appeared in neither. The 1994 FInal Four was held in Charlotte.... Duke appeared in that one. The 1974 Final Four was in Greensboro... NC State cut down the nets.... ending UCLA's string of championships. One thing people have failed to mention... two of the three times that Duke MBB have played in NC since 2010.. 2012 in Greensboro, and 2014 in Raleigh, they have lost in the first round... some home court advantage.
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So what’s the over/under on the number of times you will need to correct someone on the BY on this misperception? I got $20 on 9 times. :rolleyes:
 
triaddukefan said:
Good gosh man.... for the third time this thread... there is a difference in playing first and second round games in Greensboro as opposed to having regionals. NC has had two men's regionals in the past 30 years. 1998 and 2008. One in Greensboro, one in Charlotte. Duke appeared in neither. The 1994 FInal Four was held in Charlotte.... Duke appeared in that one. The 1974 Final Four was in Greensboro... NC State cut down the nets.... ending UCLA's string of championships. One thing people have failed to mention... two of the three times that Duke MBB have played in NC since 2010.. 2012 in Greensboro, and 2014 in Raleigh, they have lost in the first round... some home court advantage.
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So you’re saying an advantage is not an advantage when the advantaged teams don’t take advantage?

Respectfully disagree.
 
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oldude said:
So what’s the over/under on the number of times you will need to correct someone on the BY on this misperception? I got $20 on 9 times. :rolleyes:
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You're wrong.
 
It's only Monday, not even one day after selection Sunday...this tourney is going to be a very long one.
 
LoboDays said:
I don’t think it’s fair that any team in the Tournament has home games. I don’t think it’s fair that any team in the Tournament doesn’t have to leave their own state before the Final Four. It’s wrong and should be corrected.
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And if the NCAA and its member schools lose millions of dollars each year on travel costs for WBB games in arenas that are sparsely attended, is that OK?
 
JordyG said:
You're wrong.
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Wrong about 9 times, or wrong about the misperception that UNC & Duke frequently play in the Greensboro region?
 
LoboDays said:
I don’t think it’s fair that any team in the Tournament has home games. I don’t think it’s fair that any team in the Tournament doesn’t have to leave their own state before the Final Four. It’s wrong and should be corrected.
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To quote Steven A. Smith "Fair is a place where they judge pigs".
 
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oldude said:
So what’s the over/under on the number of times you will need to correct someone on the BY on this misperception? I got $20 on 9 times. :rolleyes:
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The thing is... anyone who lives in NC and follows College Basketball knows that if the early round games are held in NC or SC.... and UNC and Duke are in the same building... its a disadvantage for Duke. Duke fans would rather have Duke play early round games in Tampa or Portland Oregon than have to share a sub-regional location with the Tar heels anywhere in the Carolinas. But anyway... don't want to hi-jack this thread with MBB talk.... so I'll stop.
 
LoboDays said:
I don’t think it’s fair that any team in the Tournament has home games. I don’t think it’s fair that any team in the Tournament doesn’t have to leave their own state before the Final Four. It’s wrong and should be corrected.
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Until the Women's tournament is in a financial position such that major metropolitan areas see value in bidding to host NCAA WBB regionals your going to continue to see smaller cities in the vicinity of major WBB programs bid to host.
 
triaddukefan said:
The thing is... anyone who lives in NC and follows College Basketball knows that if the early round games are held in NC or SC.... and UNC and Duke are in the same building... its a disadvantage for Duke. Duke fans would rather have Duke play early round games in Tampa or Portland Oregon than have to share a sub-regional location with the Tar heels anywhere in the Carolinas. But anyway... don't want to hi-jack this thread with MBB talk.... so I'll stop.
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So you’re saying that Carolina fans prefer UNC to Duke substantially?
 
oldude said:
But Albany & Bridgeport are hardly alone in their efforts to fill the stands with fans from a nearby school. Ft Wayne, IN has done the same with ND in mind. Unfortunately, the last time Ft Wayne held a regional, ND stumbled and didn’t even make the tournament.
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This discussion shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, although I am surprised where this article appeared. Don't see how they care enough to pick this topic with all the others available on the tourney.

It's not that UConn is in Bridgeport, it's that they are #2 in Bridgeport. Wouldn't be an issue if they were #1 – that happens all the time. But #2 has happened with others. I can't remember who and I don't care enough to look it up, but this conversation has happened with other teams in previous years. Perhaps a Notre Dame, Louisville thing? I can't remember. The head of the committee addressed it on the Selection show last night. It follows the procedure and that whole S curve thingie. :D:D

As other posters state, UConn travels well anywhere. My wife and I went to the Pittsburgh Regionals in 2001. They played at what used to be called the Igloo in the center of town. Throughout the weekend, the streets were filled with UConn fans. We took over the town. It was actually really neat. My wife and I decided to venture away from the city and took one of the Inclines up into a neighborhood. We walked into a very blue-collar neighborhood bar with out UConn shirts on and we were treated like celebrities. They heard we had "taken over" the downtown to watch a "girls basketball" team and they were intrigued – and extremely friendly. It was pretty fun. And since the games were attended by predominantly UConn fans, they were like home games. I also remember there was an information exchange hotline in the ladies room. My wife was six months pregnant at the time and taking more trips to the ladies room than usual. Every time she came back, she had met a players mother or relative with news. I believe Shea's mom broke the news that Tennessee was going down in another regional. The entire weekend was really a blast. Drove to the R&R HoF on the off day. Just a blast!

Go Huskies. Winners, win or lose, wherever they play.
 
LoboDays said:
I don’t think it’s fair that any team in the Tournament has home games. I don’t think it’s fair that any team in the Tournament doesn’t have to leave their own state before the Final Four. It’s wrong and should be corrected.
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any UConn game played in the New England or Middle Atlantic states would be a home game............that's what happens when you are really, really good for a long time..........;)
 
triaddukefan said:
The thing is... anyone who lives in NC and follows College Basketball knows that if the early round games are held in NC or SC.... and UNC and Duke are in the same building... its a disadvantage for Duke. Duke fans would rather have Duke play early round games in Tampa or Portland Oregon than have to share a sub-regional location with the Tar heels anywhere in the Carolinas. But anyway... don't want to hi-jack this thread with MBB talk.... so I'll stop.
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Clearly having the regionals in NC hurt Duke any number of times. But for other teams, such as Kentucky, having the regionals in Kentucky certainly helped them at times. So, also clearly, this is not a hard and fast rule for college teams.
 
Old enough to remember how salty PSU fans were, having to play at Hartford as the one seed during Kelly Mazzante's (and Diana's) senior year. Back then it was the Big East conference that hosted the regional (?) as per Wikipedia.
Good times.;)
 
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CL82 said:
So you’re saying that Carolina fans prefer UNC to Duke substantially?
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I'd say about 20-25 to 1. Makes for some interesting interactions.... at work, at family gatherings... outside of 24 hr diners at 3am :eek:
 
UConn - the team everyone loves to hate. I don't even read these things anymore.
 
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