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Lots of 1st and 2nd round games, however.

Yeah... but pretty much in all those cases you are talking about a 1 or 2 seed vs a 16/15 seed and then facing a 8/9 or 7/10 matchup in the 2nd round. When either Greensboro, Raleigh, or Charlotte is hosting a regional and Duke/UNC is the #2 facing off against a #1 seed in the regional final... then folks can complain.
 
Sites are determined many years ahead, and let's be honest it's not like Madison Square Garden, United Center or Crypto.com Arena are trying to get into the women's basketball regional tournament business. So secondary arenas like TotalMortgage Arena in Bridgeport are selected and the NCAA goes back to them because they do a good job. UConn earned its spot, the NCAA placing them in Bridgeport this year is good for the sport and in the end both the NC State and UConn coaches are reminding their players that things will be decided on the court. Chances are the NC State coaches will try to provide extra motivation for their players by telling them that they are the underdogs in this regional because they're playing in UConn's backyard.

BTW, here are future women's regional and FF sites:

Starting next year the NCAA is going from four to two regional venues:
2023 - Greenville, SC and Seattle, WA
2024 - Albany, NY and Portland, OR
2025 - Birmingham, AL and Spokane, WA
2026 - Fort Worth, TX and Sacramento, CA

And Final Fours will be held in:
2023 - Dallas, TX
2024 - Cleveland, OH
2025 - Tampa, FL
2026 - Phoenix, AZ
 
Sites are determined many years ahead, and let's be honest it's not like Madison Square Garden, United Center or Crypto.com Arena are trying to get into the women's basketball regional tournament business. So secondary arenas like TotalMortgage Arena in Bridgeport are selected and the NCAA goes back to them because they do a good job. UConn earned its spot, the NCAA placing them in Bridgeport this year is good for the sport and in the end both the NC State and UConn coaches are reminding their players that things will be decided on the court. Chances are the NC State coaches will try to provide extra motivation for their players by telling them that they are the underdogs in this regional because they're playing in UConn's backyard.

BTW, here are future women's regional and FF sites:

Starting next year the NCAA is going from four to two regional venues:
2023 - Greenville, SC and Seattle, WA
2024 - Albany, NY and Portland, OR
2025 - Birmingham, AL and Spokane, WA
2026 - Fort Worth, TX and Sacramento, CA

And Final Fours will be held in:
2023 - Dallas, TX
2024 - Cleveland, OH
2025 - Tampa, FL
2026 - Phoenix, AZ
Oooh, Tampa :-). Maybe Phoenix, too, since I’ve got a brother out there
 
Sites are determined many years ahead, and let's be honest it's not like Madison Square Garden, United Center or Crypto.com Arena are trying to get into the women's basketball regional tournament business. So secondary arenas like TotalMortgage Arena in Bridgeport are selected and the NCAA goes back to them because they do a good job. UConn earned its spot, the NCAA placing them in Bridgeport this year is good for the sport and in the end both the NC State and UConn coaches are reminding their players that things will be decided on the court. Chances are the NC State coaches will try to provide extra motivation for their players by telling them that they are the underdogs in this regional because they're playing in UConn's backyard.

BTW, here are future women's regional and FF sites:

Starting next year the NCAA is going from four to two regional venues:
2023 - Greenville, SC and Seattle, WA
2024 - Albany, NY and Portland, OR
2025 - Birmingham, AL and Spokane, WA
2026 - Fort Worth, TX and Sacramento, CA

And Final Fours will be held in:
2023 - Dallas, TX
2024 - Cleveland, OH
2025 - Tampa, FL
2026 - Phoenix, AZ
I didn't know that; interesting.
 
any UConn game played in the New England or Middle Atlantic states would be a home game............that's what happens when you are really, really good for a long time..........;)
Remember when Vivian Stringer put a lid on ticket sales to UConn fans at the RAC to prevent the Huskies from having a virtual home game at Rutgers' house?
 
Sites are determined many years ahead, and let's be honest it's not like Madison Square Garden, United Center or Crypto.com Arena are trying to get into the women's basketball regional tournament business. So secondary arenas like TotalMortgage Arena in Bridgeport are selected and the NCAA goes back to them because they do a good job. UConn earned its spot, the NCAA placing them in Bridgeport this year is good for the sport and in the end both the NC State and UConn coaches are reminding their players that things will be decided on the court. Chances are the NC State coaches will try to provide extra motivation for their players by telling them that they are the underdogs in this regional because they're playing in UConn's backyard.

BTW, here are future women's regional and FF sites:

Starting next year the NCAA is going from four to two regional venues:
2023 - Greenville, SC and Seattle, WA
2024 - Albany, NY and Portland, OR
2025 - Birmingham, AL and Spokane, WA
2026 - Fort Worth, TX and Sacramento, CA

And Final Fours will be held in:
2023 - Dallas, TX
2024 - Cleveland, OH
2025 - Tampa, FL
2026 - Phoenix, AZ

I can't find anything on the NCAA website that confirms it, but this article by Mechelle Voepel from November 2021 says starting in 2023 the opening rounds will be at a neutral site to be determined. Maybe they will go back to 8 neutral sites similarly to how they did in 2005-2008 (but schools could host on their home floor if they won the bid in 2005-2008)?


Those 4 years the places UConn played were:
2005- Storrs, Regionals in Kansas City, FF in Indianapolis. Lost to Stanford in Sweet 16.
2006- University Park, PA, Regionals in Bridgeport, FF in Boston. Lost to Duke in Elite 8.
2007- Hartford, Regionals in Hartford, FF in Cleveland. Lost to LSU in Elite 8.
2008- Bridgeport, Regionals in Greensboro, FF in Tampa. Lost to Stanford in Final Four.

Currently teams can't play on a court they played more than 3 games in the regular season during the NCAA tournament. So maybe Uconn will be playing the first two rounds in Bridgeport or Albany starting next year. Are there enough hotel rooms near the Mohegan Sun Arena to host 8 teams?
 
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I can't find anything on the NCAA website that confirms it, but this article by Mechelle Voepel from November 2021 says starting in 2023 the opening rounds will be at a neutral site to be determined. Maybe they will go back to 8 neutral sites similarly to how they did in 2005-2008 (but schools could host on their home floor if they won the bid in 2005-2008)?


Those 4 years the places UConn played were:
2005- Storrs, Regionals in Kansas City, FF in Indianapolis. Lost to Stanford in Sweet 16.
2006- University Park, PA, Regionals in Bridgeport, FF in Boston. Lost to Duke in Elite 8.
2007- Hartford, Regionals in Fresno CA, FF in Cleveland. Lost to LSU in Elite 8.
2008- Bridgeport, Regionals in Greensboro, FF in Tampa. Lost to Stanford in Final Four.

Currently teams can't play on a court they played more than 3 games in the regular season during the NCAA tournament. So maybe Uconn will be playing the first two rounds in Bridgeport or Albany starting next year. Are there enough hotel rooms near the Mohegan Sun Arena to host 8 teams?

Corrected 2007 regional to Fresno. Brain said Fresno, fingers typed Hartford.
 
f all signs point to UConn being one of the top 4 teams, why didn't they get a #1 seed.
You are exactly on the point! If the article said "UConn being one of the top 4 teams" why didn't they get #1 seed? If UConn got 1(one) of the 4 number one seeds, it certainly belongs to Bridgeport Region, right? Put any one of 2nd seeds, do we care?
 
There’s got to be some fancy statistic to make a case for feeling sorry for Carolina teams regard in no where they play their post season basketball.
Let’s talk about the location of the ACC tournament. Favor Carolina teams a tad? Hmmm.
Being a UMD grad, think that ever occurred to us.
Oh yeah, that’s right, MD has a heritage and tradition of top notch basketball too.
The thing is... anyone who lives in NC and follows College Basketball knows that if the early round games are held in NC or SC.... and UNC and Duke are in the same building... its a disadvantage for Duke. Duke fans would rather have Duke play early round games in Tampa or Portland Oregon than have to share a sub-regional location with the Tar heels anywhere in the Carolinas. But anyway... don't want to hi-jack this thread with MBB talk.... so I'll stop.
 
It's not fair, but it's NOT wrong. Next question.

BTW, is it fair that the 16 seeds should play the number 1 seeds? Why?

There is your answer to the WaPo article.
Thank you! This is the answer, sports aren’t always fair but that doesn’t mean it’s an issue.
 
I apologize for re-posting...deserves its own thread

Is UConn's placement in Bridgeport fair?

The rest of the country thinks not...

The U-Conn. women playing near home makes the Bridgeport Region a nightmare for everyone else​

Washington Post Headline.

Also some good analysis...

Connecticut’s home-court advantage was significant this season. The Huskies scored almost seven points per game more at home than an average team after adjusting for strength of schedule, which is enough to raise a team’s win probability by 14 percent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/03/13/uconn-womens-basketball-nc-state/
Saying the Washington Post is fair and balanced is like saying Jim Boeheim never picks his nose. If you think fairness is in question ask Rebecca if she thought ESPN’s selection show was fair towards UConn. The comments made on that show about Geno and his team were very disrespectful towards the greatest basketball coach ever.
 
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Oooh, Tampa :). Maybe Phoenix, too, since I’ve got a brother out there
We're about 30 mins away and maybe in 2025 we'll finally get tickets and see a FF in person.
 
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Who cares? Who cares about mileage? Who cares about this writer - who covers hockey - at the WaPo? Who cares people have their knickers in a twist over UConn potentially playing in Bridgeport?

NC State isn’t whining. (And good for them having confidence. They should; they’re a good team)
The Wolfpack fans aren’t whining.

The people that matter haven’t complained so who cares what the nattering nabobs of negativity say?

Whoa...Spiro Agnew lives on the Boneyard! Gotta love this board. If that's the case, let's all be "happy warriors." (tip of the hat to HHH). :)
 
We're about 30 mins away and maybe in 2025 we'll finally get tickets and see a FF in person.
Has the womens Final Four ever been in New England, New York State, or New Jersey? You would think New England would at some point, Hartford, Boston or Providence.
 
Has the womens Final Four ever been in New England, New York State, or New Jersey? You would think New England would at some point, Hartford, Boston or Providence.
"Northeast" locations:
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I would think that cities that bid to host the FF need to have the infrastructure to handle fans for 4 teams, along with an arena large enough per the NCAA specs.
 
We all know the women's tournament isn't the revenue generator the men's tournament is. When the NCAA tried to get away from the home hosting sites the arenas were decidedly empty and void of a tournament atmosphere (at least from the vantage points on TV). I didn't think having just two regional sites instead of four was that bad of an idea to be honest.

There are plenty of places around the country who "could" host the tournament but they have to bid, get selected by the NCAA, and have in place places to host the teams and fans. Lots of good places qualify but will they bid and then be chosen?
 
Yes, but UConn’s passionate fan base extends well beyond CT’s border. I would venture to guess that UConn WBB enjoys a plurality of fan support, if not an outright majority, throughout New England, NY, NJ, PA & DE. Not sure if there is a single school in the football frenzied state of TX that can boast a fan base even close to UConn WBB.
I have attended UConn women's road games in NJ, NY, PA, FL and SC, and at every one of those venues, the huge turnout of UConn supporters (be they alumni or just fans) makes it almost seem like a home game. I can't imagine any other team getting such support on the road.
 
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"Northeast" locations:
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I would think that cities that bid to host the FF need to have the infrastructure to handle fans for 4 teams, along with an arena large enough per the NCAA specs.
I wouldn’t include Philly, not really a northeast location, southeast PA is more a mid Atlantic IMO, I mean Philly is right next to Wilmington, Delaware on the map. If places like Indianapolis, Knoxville, and Richmond, Va, among others can host it, Hartford/Springfield and Bridgeport ought be able to as well. Not even considering the UConn “backyard” factor, if Hartford or Bridgeport ever won a FF bid, the pushback from the Hinterland would be enormous. Didn’t know about Boston though, thanks.
 
Here are the things that leap off the page to me from the article:
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If Connecticut is one of the four best teams in the nation, with the second best likelihood of winning the entire tournament, why aren’t they a one seed? If they were the one seed in Bridgeport, no one has an issue.

For what it’s worth, on the Men’s side Duke and North Carolina have been playing in Greensboro for years. Where was all the outrage then?
I doubt UCONN would even be a 2 seed in Bridgeport if Paige were out for the season, nor would the WaPo have written this garbage.
 
I suspect that the reason for greater UNC than Duke support in the Carolinas is that Duke is private and academically elite. They probably have greater support in the NE than in North Carolina.
And North Carolina doesn’t impose unreasonable restrictions on their athletes, like making them attend class. It’s very egalitarian of them.
 
I doubt UCONN would even be a 2 seed in Bridgeport if Paige were out for the season, nor would the WaPo have written this garbage.
LOL, to be perfectly honest, I don’t think Paige impacted it very much at all.
 
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Gee I bet no matter where a regional or final four is scheduled to be it will be in some teams backyard. South Carolina was the number 1 overall seed so got the one closest to them. That left the other #1 seeds to get the other ones closest to their location. NC State got the second closest one to them which was Bridgeport. The rest are supposedly assigned by the S method (with a few exceptions due to same conference restrictions). Do I think that $$$$ is involved - of course. UConn draws. They earned their sport. People just complain more when UConn is involved.
 
LOL, to be perfectly honest, I don’t think Paige impacted it very much at all.
Now that she’s back, I think she definitely impacted their decision. If she were out for the season UConn would of been the last 2 or first 3.
 
I'm not smart enough to know all the factors that go into all of this, but the TV contract rights for the tournament is just a couple years away. It would certainly behoove the NCAA to do as much as possible to get as many eyeballs as possible on the tournament. Right now the contract is tied together with 23 other NCAA championships. My guess is that the NCAA would like to get the women their own rights deal for more money. Ratings from this and the next year or so will be what drives the going rate. So it makes sense to keep the "blue bloods" in the tournament as long as possible while still maintaining integrity and fair play.
 
Now that she’s back, I think she definitely impacted their decision. If she were out for the season UConn would of been the last 2 or first 3.
Maybe, especially when you’re saying it might have moved UConn a couple of places here or there one way or the other. Connecticut has shown itself to be a final four were the team without Paige. It moved up in rankings in metrics while Paige was out. None of that minimizes what she can bring, but this is a very solid team even without her.
 
I think maybe the most fair article that rag has ever produced.
Not very well informed, though. The "throng of Huskies faithful" appears at all of the UConn tourney games, whether zero or 3000 miles from campus.

Been there, done that.
 
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