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triaddukefan said:
Good gosh man.... for the third time this thread... there is a difference in playing first and second round games in Greensboro as opposed to having regionals. NC has had two men's regionals in the past 30 years. 1998 and 2008. One in Greensboro, one in Charlotte. Duke appeared in neither. The 1994 FInal Four was held in Charlotte.... Duke appeared in that one. The 1974 Final Four was in Greensboro... NC State cut down the nets.... ending UCLA's string of championships. One thing people have failed to mention... two of the three times that Duke MBB have played in NC since 2010.. 2012 in Greensboro, and 2014 in Raleigh, they have lost in the first round... some home court advantage.
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There may be a difference between playing first and second round games in Greensboro as opposed to having regionals there but in the men's tournament the top 16 seeds do not host the first 2 rounds. So there is some unfairness there.
 
triaddukefan said:
I'd say about 20-25 to 1. Makes for some interesting interactions.... at work, at family gatherings... outside of 24 hr diners at 3am :eek:
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I didn’t know that.. I always figured it was a roughly 50-50 split, but I guess that makes sense.
 
Hey Washington Post ... is the "fairness" issue really that NC State isn't in Greensboro?

Talk about siver spoon .... SC went wire to wire ranked #1 despite losing two games to unranked teams.
 
What NC State fans said when they found out they were in Bridgeport with UConn:


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Call it tradition….respect….pecking order etc etc UCONN has certainly earned it through the years….that is why….financially motivated too as UCONN fans will flock to Bridgeport.
 

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Four of his last 4 articles were on the MBB tournament, and then, before that, NFL, NFL, NFL, etc, so I take his word as seriously as the ESPN dude last night trying to make a controversy out of nothing.
  • first 14 predictions (including 2 pre-season), UConn was predicted in B'port as a 1, 3, and 4 seed
  • next 3 in Spokane at #3
  • next 4 back in B'port as a #2 & 3
  • quick 1x seed in Wichita as a #3
  • 7x in G'boro as a #2 & 3 seed
  • then the last 6 back in B'port as a #2
So if folks are all of a sudden "experts" on NCAA WBB seeding criteria, they haven't been paying attention for the last 4+ months.
 
We’ll, then the NCAA should make it a rule that schools are not able to play at closest venue to their campus.
 
"According to the NCAA’s own NET rankings, which replaced the RPI rating in 2020, Connecticut is the fourth-best team in the country. South Carolina is first, N.C. State is second and Stanford is third, so by that metric, Connecticut should have been no worse than the top No. 2 seed, which seemingly should have placed the Huskies in the same region as Louisville, which ranks fifth in the NET rankings. Of course there are other factors the committee takes into account in the final seeding, but the NET rankings were supposed to be “the primary sorting tool for evaluating teams,” according to the NCAA — and two of the top four teams are in the same region."

CL82 said:
If Connecticut is one of the four best teams in the nation, with the second best likelihood of winning the entire tournament, why aren’t they a one seed? If they were the one seed in Bridgeport, no one has an issue.
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I agree with this point of view.

But I came away with the impression that the author was wondering why two of the top four or five teams -- NC State and UConn -- were playing each other, period, based on their rankings. UConn -- as either the last #1 seed or the top #2 seed -- should be the playing the team that filled the other slot, probably Louisville.

If UConn was #1, stay in Bridgeport. If UConn was #2 (due to something other than the NET rankings, such as Louisville's win over UConn?), then go to where Louisville is.

At least that's the way I read it.....:confused:

Life is easier for the Irish: we're going to Norman to play UMASS. I hear Norman's pretty this time of year....;)
 
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If you base the distance on the actual sizes of the states involved Ct vs SC/NC and distances having to travel 79.2 miles vs 183 miles, Percentage wise it 's pretty equal at a quick glance (NO scientific equations were used in this statement. Eyeballing it only :))
 
Who cares? Who cares about mileage? Who cares about this writer - who covers hockey - at the WaPo? Who cares people have their knickers in a twist over UConn potentially playing in Bridgeport?

NC State isn’t whining. (And good for them having confidence. They should; they’re a good team)
The Wolfpack fans aren’t whining.

The people that matter haven’t complained so who cares what the nattering nabobs of negativity say?
 
Dillon77 said:
"According to the NCAA’s own NET rankings, which replaced the RPI rating in 2020, Connecticut is the fourth-best team in the country. South Carolina is first, N.C. State is second and Stanford is third, so by that metric, Connecticut should have been no worse than the top No. 2 seed, which seemingly should have placed the Huskies in the same region as Louisville, which ranks fifth in the NET rankings. Of course there are other factors the committee takes into account in the final seeding, but the NET rankings were supposed to be “the primary sorting tool for evaluating teams,” according to the NCAA — and two of the top four teams are in the same region."


I agree with this point of view.

But I came away with the impression that the author was wondering why two of the top four or five teams -- NC State and UConn -- were playing each other, period, based on their rankings. UConn -- as either the last #1 seed or the top #2 seed -- should be the playing the team that filled the other slot, probably Louisville.

If UConn was #1, stay in Bridgeport. If UConn was #2 (due to something other than the NET rankings, such as Louisville's win over UConn?), then go to where Louisville is.

At least that's the way I read it.....:confused:

Life is easier for the Irish: we're going to Norman to play UMASS. I hear Norman's pretty this time of year....;)
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Could you imagine if UConn was placed as a #1 seed. I would think the world would have had more "acida" (Italian) than Bridgeport.

Stay well in Norman. ;)
 
It's not fair, but it's NOT wrong. Next question.

BTW, is it fair that the 16 seeds should play the number 1 seeds? Why?

There is your answer to the WaPo article.
 
I suspect that the reason for greater UNC than Duke support in the Carolinas is that Duke is private and academically elite. They probably have greater support in the NE than in North Carolina.
 
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I expect more people are wondering how UConn got to be a #2 with their lack of quality wins.
 
Everybody hates a winner.

The team is already highly motivated. This will only serve to ratchet up the intensity even more. Thanks for that, WaPo.

If you poke a hornet's nest, don't be surprised if you get stung. Just ask the Villanova players who chanted, "We want UConn".
 
triaddukefan said:
UNC has played in a regional in Greensboro one time. Duke has never played in a men's regional here. The Duke women have played in Greensboro twice. Once in 1999 defeating TN to advance to the Final 4 for the first time. The other time in 2007... and I'm not gonna talk about what happened that time. :( NC State WBB played in the 2019 regional losing to Iowa. NC State MBB won the National Title in the 1974 Final 4 which was held in Greensboro. Wake Forest has never played a regional in Greensboro, neither has East Carolina or Charlotte.... or High Point.
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So now you are going to let facts get in the way of a strongly held opinion? It's downright unAmerican. A guy in a beer joint my Dad loafed in was fond of saying' "Irregardless of the god damn facts". Never thought of it before, but he might have been a charter member of the Boneheads! :eek:
 
LoboDays said:
A 2 seed is playing on their own court. This could have been easily corrected. It should never have happened. If roles were reversed, the whining here would be deafening.
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It's not a UConn home court; UConn's home courts are Gampel Pavilion in Storrs and XL Center in Hartford. None of these UConn players have ever played in Bridgeport. The last time UConn did was in 2017 for the tournament.
 
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housekeys said:
It's not fair, but it's NOT wrong. Next question.

BTW, is it fair that the 16 seeds should play the number 1 seeds? Why?

There is your answer to the WaPo article.
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That's why I have argued for a double bye system. In the first round, 16 seeds play 9. They are likely to lose but the game might not be over after five minutes, and in a few cases there may be an upset. Would make the tournament much more entertaining.
 
The kids seem really broken up about being in Bridgeport. :rolleyes: NC State has been a top 10 team most of the year (all of? Haven’t been paying attention). UConn has struggled to get where they are. Why do the Wolfpack care where they’re placed?

 
triaddukefan said:
I knew someone would say something like this. One key difference is those are first and second round games, not regionals. Greensboro has only hosted one men's regional, that was in 1998. Charlotte last had a regional in 2008. Duke has never played in a regional held in the state of NC.
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Lots of 1st and 2nd round games, however.
 
I was away and missed this….why is UConn 6th and Texas 7th when they beat Stanford early on and just beat Baylor?
 
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