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husky91 said:
I didn't see, went to sports bar to watch NFL and UConn game wasn't even on. I like Facey's effort, just not his skills or frame right now.

Hopefully we get Stone and this becomes a very mute point.
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So, the mute points are the ones we don't talk about anymore, right? ;)
 
8893 said:
Please, Ern, don't bait Mau into having to explain to us once again why this is a bad idea.

I've been saying it for several weeks now, but Mau insists that we must keep a governor on Facey's development, especially on offense. I just figure I'm not smart enough to understand why.
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You want to pass it to him in the middle 10 feet away like the other day so he can turn and shoot? I'm in.........you want to give it to him anywhere further away you're not watching the games all that well I assume. I am not explaining I am shouting out fact - #1 when he gets it where he's not comfortable he doesn;t even look to the basket, he looks to hand it back to someone - that's fact no need for Mau to explain. #2 is he can't pass and he can't handle it well enough and that's assumption, or is it based on what everyone has seen? I know I'm not blind.

I mean c'mon guys you can't blind yourself with numbers here. He is a nice player near the basket, if you can draw up some plays to give to him in scoring spots down low or in the paint I'm all in. If further from the basket then the likelihood of positive results is diminished it really is that simple! Not at all a negative reflection on the kid, just keep to his strengths as they are working.
 
mauconnfan said:
you want to give it to him anywhere further away you're not watching the games all that well I assume.
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That must be it. Staff must not be either, as he got it there last game at least a few times that I saw, and it sure looked like it was by design.

I guess I see innate fluidity, length, a nose for the ball and a nice touch and think, "Hey, maybe with some more touches, this kid could help move the ball through the middle on some sets, especially against a zone." You see a kid who can't pass, can't handle and doesn't look for his shot, and you want to further limit his touches, not increase them.

I think you're going to need to be even more agile than he is if you're going to continue to perform the mental gymnastics necessary to justify the limitations you have placed on him despite his apparent refusal to honor them.
 
8893 said:
That must be it. Staff must not be either, as he got it there last game at least a few times that I saw, and it sure looked like it was by design.

I guess I see innate fluidity, length, a nose for the ball and a nice touch and think, "Hey, maybe with some more touches, this kid could help move the ball through the middle on some sets, especially against a zone." You see a kid who can't pass, can't handle and doesn't look for his shot, and you want to further limit his touches, not increase them.

I think you're going to need to be even more agile than he is if you're going to continue to perform the mental gymnastics necessary to justify the limitations you have placed on him despite his apparent refusal to honor them.
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Yeah because you have it all figured out. Must have been you coaching this new sensation vs Yale and Columbia too huh? Leave him as what he is, not what you hope he will be. He may get there some day but for now my friend outside of what you have seen, he's not ready for your podium! Watch the game better please, it's not all that great yet, it's a lot better that's all! Geez
 
mauconnfan said:
Yeah because you have it all figured out. Must have been you coaching this new sensation vs Yale and Columbia too huh? Leave him as what he is, not what you hope he will be. He may get there some day but for now my friend outside of what you have seen, he's not ready for your podium! Watch the game better please, it's not all that great yet, it's a lot better that's all! Geez
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Senility is sad.
 
David 76 said:
People are comparing our past PFs to Facey. Fine, but realize you are comparing someone who has played a handful of games as a Sophomore to Jr.s and Seniors. We don't know how good Kelis Fisher will be as a senior.
While he is not raw, he is still relatively new to the game and has a lot more potential.
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I think the statement they're making is less about Facey and more about our overall dearth of talent.

Facey as a senior may very well be better than Gavin Edwards as a senior.

But Gavin Edwards was buried on the bench for 3 years because we had superior players starting ahead of him. Facey is thrust into a starting role in his 2nd year -- ready or not -- because we don't have enough talent on the roster for someone else to start ahead of him. (For what it's worth, I think Gavin Edwards as a sophomore is probably about as good as Facey is right now.)
 
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Sometimes I read a thread like this and wonder if someone is going to criticize the guy who made the Shawn Marion comparison because there were too few of the letter "a" in his spelling of "faaaaar" that attempted to qualify things sufficiently.
Or perhaps someone might inject the phrase "credibly raw" as less hyperbolic than "incredibly raw" and more realistically descriptive of the works-in-progress that these sometimes "special" "kids" truly are.
C'mon, folks, get to work on this.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
I think the statement they're making is less about Facey and more about our overall dearth of talent.

Facey as a senior may very well be better than Gavin Edwards as a senior.

But Gavin Edwards was buried on the bench for 3 years because we had superior players starting ahead of him. Facey is thrust into a starting role in his 2nd year -- ready or not -- because we don't have enough talent on the roster for someone else to start ahead of him. (For what it's worth, I think Gavin Edwards as a sophomore is probably about as good as Facey is right now.)
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Facey is way better than Edwards was as a sophomore and by the end of this year he'll be as good as Edwards was as a senior. There is this false idea that all those UConn teams were just oozing with talent and didn't have any scrubs. I'm not trying to denigrate any of these kids but Coombs-McDaniel,Donnell Beverly, Craig Austrie, Charles Okwandu and Gavin Edwards were not exactly major talents and Jamaal Trice, Darius Smith and Jonathan Mandeldove just did not belong at this level.
 
superjohn said:
Facey is way better than Edwards was as a sophomore and by the end of this year he'll be as good as Edwards was as a senior. There is this false idea that all those UConn teams were just oozing with talent and didn't have any scrubs. I'm not trying to denigrate any of these kids but Coombs-McDaniel,Donnell Beverly, Craig Austrie, Charles Okwandu and Gavin Edwards were not exactly major talents and Jamaal Trice, Darius Smith and Jonathan Mandeldove just did not belong at this level.
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Edwards turned out to be a very solid player by his senior year. As a soph he wasn't as good as Facey is now I agree, but he also wasn't thrust into the starting role due to a weaker front court, instead biding his time behind some solid guys. The fact Kentan is getting quality PT is going to be great for him in the long run no doubt. Gavin was a pretty heady player but not nearly the athlete Kelis Fisher is, although Gavin surprised some of us with some dunks his last year. The ceiling is much higher for our guy now and that's a good thing because I liked Gavins game.
 
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7774 said:
Wow, a post with only one exclamation point. Congratulations.
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Happy New Year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And congratulations to you for a post without something worthless on it, it's a start even for a dope. Oh yeah nice job calling someone "old" for their opinion and not explaining why you think so.
 
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AstarIsBorn31 said:
Pulling up for jumpers: doesnt mean 3s booboo... He has shown his midrange game off the catch a few times this year even with a hand in his face.. Next year he will naturally be more confident and I think with the technique he already has and with the uconn staff (who has improved multipllllee players shots) he will start to create his own shot off the dribble and shoot more.... One great example of improvement and confidence would be Niels who would rarely pull the trigger and then he built up confidence over the years and he was one of the best in the nation...


And that video is still impressive for a previous cricket player :rolleyes:
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No that's just wrong. Facey seems to be close to knocking down mid range shots off the catch. But too say he's going to have the ability to put it on the floor for pulls up seem crazy. I think maybe a turn and face jumper. But not putting it on the floor.
 
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