ESPN's Top 25 For Next Year

[Orangutan]

Everything I read states a maximum 15 scholarship student-athletes for Division I WCBB, but I can't find anything that pertains to non-scholarship walk-on players. USC had 14 scholarship players for 2014-15 and one walk-on in So. India Farmer. Coach Staley was prepared to use her final, 15th scholarship for Shakayla Thomas for the 2014 class, but she chose FSU over USC.

I didn't know Farmer was a walk-on. Good clarification.

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

The original date that an article is published is called the "Original Pub Date." The date that an article got updated with an author's revisions, corrections, or new alterations now that he has learned that someone named DeShields had transferred is called the "Article Updated" date is considered the new publication date of an article. I stated back in my first post that the date of publication was July 29, 2014, which was correct. If you wish to try to explain away all changes done to a revised article as meaningless, that is your option, but in the real world of media you are in the dark.

Nope, you are incorrect. Wholly incorrect. Do you want me to send you the screen shots to prove it?

Your feelings/opinions are not facts.

Again, in the world of women's basketball where everything goes fairly close to the mark, 11 of 16 or a 68% accuracy mark doesn't seem to me to make the grade for being an expert pundit. Is a 68 at Duke a passing grade? I hope not, though maybe at UNC it is. Charlie got 100% for the brackets and I gave him big kudos for a tremendous prediction job there when general feeling was that he was brainless, partly for not giving Princeton the seed that many fans thought the Tigers deserved, even though Charlie knew that the seed he gave Princeton was probably going to be better than the 8th seed that the committee decided to go with.

Can anyone do as well as Creme? Here's suggestion. Just trot out the same 16 teams listed in the final post season poll of the USA Today list. You would have got 11 of the S16 teams in 2014 from the final 2013 poll and 10 of the S16 teams in 2015 from the 2014 poll. Okay, that's only an average of 10.5 of 16, which I guess Charlie did manage to beat by a smidge. Really impressed..

Let me see if I have this correct...

You are comparing an academic grade/percentage where you study and prepare for a test to making predictions BEFORE the season even begins, not being able to factor in injuries, off shooting nights, matchups, brackets and placement, etc.? For your "comparison" to work, it would be like studying for the test, then taking the test only to learn that brand new material is on it that you had no way of being able to predict would be on it or study such material in preparation for the test.

It is even funnier that you repeatedly use the rankings as a barometer, without regard to brackets or placement. So Creme had Dayton at #19; does that mean he was so horribly wrong or inaccurate? At #19, the team is a candidate to make the Sweet 16 with the right placement/bracket.

Oh, rankings are not RPI, in case you forgot. That is another factor to consider.

Call me when you make your predictions. And when you do worse than Charlie, you might change your tune...or at least have a better understanding of the concept of "preseason rankings" and what they mean.

 

[DobbsRover2]

Nope, you are incorrect. Wholly incorrect. Do you want me to send you the screen shots to prove it?

Your feelings/opinions are not facts.



Let me see if I have this correct...

You are comparing an academic grade/percentage where you study and prepare for a test to making predictions BEFORE the season even begins, not being able to factor in injuries, off shooting nights, matchups, brackets and placement, etc.? For your "comparison" to work, it would be like studying for the test, then taking the test only to learn that brand new material is on it that you had no way of being able to predict would be on it or study such material in preparation for the test.

It is even funnier that you repeatedly use the rankings as a barometer, without regard to brackets or placement. So Creme had Dayton at #19; does that mean he was so horribly wrong or inaccurate? At #19, the team is a candidate to make the Sweet 16 with the right placement/bracket.

Oh, rankings are not RPI, in case you forgot. That is another factor to consider.

Call me when you make your predictions. And when you do worse than Charlie, you might change your tune...or at least have a better understanding of the concept of "preseason rankings" and what they mean.

You've already given us a link to July 29, 2014, which is exactly what I stated in my original post. If you are having trouble reading that, I might suggest taking some time off from waiting the tables, which I know can be stressful. Again, maybe July means April down in NC. Weather wise maybe it does.

Again, you fawn over a 68% percent prediction rate and I don't. D+ is good for you, while I think maybe a C would be passing. Two different views.

Read my last post. I stated that selecting the the Top 16 picks for the last postseason USA Today poll (which a brain-challenged amoeba could also do) would give me about the same rates as Charlie got last year for the S16. So I'll take the brain-challenged amoeba route so I can qualify as an expert in your book for next year.

All happy now?

 

[BlueDevils]

You've already given us a link to July 29, 2014, which is exactly what I stated in my original post. If you are having trouble reading that, I might suggest taking some time off from waiting the tables, which I know can be stressful. Again, maybe July means April down in NC. Weather wise maybe it does.

Again, you fawn over a 68% percent prediction rate and I don't. D+ is good for you, while I think maybe a C would be passing. Two different views.

Read my last post. I stated that selecting the the Top 16 picks for the last postseason USA Today poll (which a brain-challenged amoeba could also do) would give me about the same rates as Charlie got last year for the S16. So I'll take the brain-challenged amoeba route so I can qualify as an expert in your book for next year.

All happy now?

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

You've already given us a link to July 29, 2014, which is exactly what I stated in my original post. If you are having trouble reading that, I might suggest taking some time off from waiting the tables, which I know can be stressful. Again, maybe July means April down in NC. Weather wise maybe it does.

Again, you fawn over a 68% percent prediction rate and I don't. D+ is good for you, while I think maybe a C would be passing. Two different views.

Read my last post. I stated that selecting the the Top 16 picks for the last postseason USA Today poll (which a brain-challenged amoeba could also do) would give me about the same rates as Charlie got last year for the S16. So I'll take the brain-challenged amoeba route so I can qualify as an expert in your book for next year.

And I gave the link showing April.

I have read your posts. You obviously do not understand mine. This is not the same thing as academia.

And believe me, based on your "analysis" and "arguments" in your posts, you are in no danger of qualifying as an expert.

 

[DobbsRover2]

And I gave the link showing April.

I have read your posts. You obviously do not understand mine. This is not the same thing as academia.

And believe me, based on your "analysis" and "arguments" in your posts, you are in no danger of qualifying as an expert.

Thanks Cam, and same to you over your posts through the years, though at least you do add in the "Crazy" ID to give us all a head's upon where you come from. And now that you have bestowed your learned Dookie declaration that grades have no place in sports ratings, I do hope that the hundreds of sports experts who do make use of them like say Mechelle Voepel a few days take your official pronouncement as the truth.

The Great Cam has spoken, and we all bow to your blatantly superior opinion are about who the experts are. And clearly you are the expert on experts.

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

Thanks Cam, and same to you over your posts through the years, though at least you do add in the "Crazy" ID to give us all a head's upon where you come from. And now that you have bestowed your learned Dookie declaration that grades have no place in sports ratings, I do hope that the hundreds of sports experts who do make use of them like say Mechelle Voepel a few days take your official pronouncement as the truth.

The Great Cam has spoken, and we all bow to your blatantly superior opinion are about who the experts are. And clearly you are the expert on experts.

Too bad you failed to actually read and comprehend my posts before making your unfounded commentary and posting such low-brow comments. And too bad you misunderstood the concept of percentages and academic examinations as compared to preseason predictions and sports. I never made any statements about grades not being appropriate at all; I clearly distinguished the above-referenced comments.

I guess it is standard practice when one is losing an argument to resort to these types of posts. If the facts and evidence do not support your position, I guess flailing your arms, engaging in hyperbole, and pounding your feet on the table works as an effective substitute for you, n'est-ce pas?

 

[DobbsRover2]

Too bad you failed to actually read and comprehend my posts before making your unfounded commentary and posting such low-brow comments. And too bad you misunderstood the concept of percentages and academic examinations as compared to preseason predictions and sports. I never made any statements about grades not being appropriate at all; I clearly distinguished the above-referenced comments.

I guess it is standard practice when one is losing an argument to resort to these types of posts. If the facts and evidence do not support your position, I guess flailing your arms, engaging in hyperbole, and pounding your feet on the table works as an effective substitute for you, n'est-ce pas?

Same old Cam. Always declaring himself the Thomas More-ish "winner" of his personal arguments and always quick to jump on calling anyone "low-brow" who has the temerity to disagree with his pronouncements as the revered expert of the pathetic Devils Den. Yeah, right, I wait on less high brow tables than you Cam, because you are the Cam.

As the self-proclaimed expert of experts of the WCBB prediction performance (and unlike you who will fawn over any result, as I mentioned I keep my respect for Charlie to the times he does do a good job like the smash-up bracket predictions), please tell us what you predicted last April or July or October (you seem to have a problem keeping dates straight) for this year's Duke team? Did you come out with a firm statement, "This year's team has issues and get a couple of buses driven over it and will lose to god-awful Boston College and will lose 11 games for a percentage of around 68%, which I think is great because that's what expert predictors accomplish"? Were you that prescient on the Devil's Den back before the season started? Are you the bright bulb you project yourself as?

Until the mods lock up this thread and I get another message from them to be nice to our stressed-out Dookie visitors who think they are L'il Hot Stuff in their own minds, I'm quite willing to keep keep kicking devil butt while browsing through all that interesting stuff on the Den and RebKell from way back. It is off season after all. And please keep the French coming, as it does show your high breeding and pretensions.

 

[jsloanjr]

Talent with Poor coaching spells disaster every time.........Look at every team outside of USC, ND and UCONN...........

 

[BlueDevils]

Same old Cam. Always declaring himself the Thomas More-ish "winner" of his personal arguments and always quick to jump on calling anyone "low-brow" who has the temerity to disagree with his pronouncements as the revered expert of the pathetic Devils Den. Yeah, right, I wait on less high brow tables than you Cam, because you are the Cam.

As the self-proclaimed expert of experts of the WCBB prediction performance (and unlike you who will fawn over any result, as I mentioned I keep my respect for Charlie to the times he does do a good job like the smash-up bracket predictions), please tell us what you predicted last April or July or October (you seem to have a problem keeping dates straight) for this year's Duke team? Did you come out with a firm statement, "This year's team has issues and get a couple of buses driven over it and will lose to god-awful Boston College and will lose 11 games for a percentage of around 68%, which I think is great because that's what expert predictors accomplish"? Were you that prescient on the Devil's Den back before the season started? Are you the bright bulb you project yourself as?

Until the mods lock up this thread and I get another message from them to be nice to our stressed-out Dookie visitors who think they are L'il Hot Stuff in their own minds, I'm quite willing to keep keep kicking devil butt while browsing through all that interesting stuff on the Den and RebKell from way back. It is off season after all. And please keep the French coming, as it does show your high breeding and pretensions.

 

[Bayareahusky]

Talent with Poor coaching spells disaster every time....Look at every team outside of USC, ND and UCONN......

So true, and also the converse of that..... average rosters with talented coaching ....well there is a chance..... shows how valuable responsible and decent coaching plays well in WCBB

 

[Bayareahusky]

Was thinking..... in my handicapping, as well as all others who have posted here..... no top 10 appearances from the Pac 12.

In ACC there are a few who will vie for the title...... in SEC, Tennessee and USC are there at the top..... (and who knows where A&M and KY will show) Big 12 displays Baylor and Texas....


But are there any out there who think AZ State, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State, or Stanford will show well this coming year?

 

[DobbsRover2]

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Should a Blue Devil fan really be asking UConn to bring more to the table than they have the last many times they hooked up with UConn? Sure, maybe not likely that they would play again next year unless they collide in a first or second round Tournament game, but the margin in 7 games over the last 6 years is 29.0, and the Devils have given UConn about as much of a game as a quintet of a 99% stoned Grateful Dead fans after a concert.

The Blue Devils players probably saw too many buses this year for the well-being of their backs, but the vehicle below is one they really need to avoid.

 

[BlueDevils]

Should a Blue Devil fan really be asking UConn to bring more to the table than they have the last many times they hooked up with UConn? Sure, maybe not likely that they would play again next year unless they collide in a first or second round Tournament game, but the margin in 7 games over the last 6 years is 29.0, and the Devils have given UConn about as much of a game as a quintet of a 99% stoned Grateful Dead fans after a concert.

The Blue Devils players probably saw too many buses this year for the well-being of their backs, but the vehicle below is one they really need to avoid.

Nice... So what are your thoughts on this upcoming year?

 

[DobbsRover2]

Nice... So what are your thoughts on this upcoming year?

Guessing that Duke will not have double figure losses this coming year, though of course there are a lot of unknowns here. Salvadores and Lambert will come in at a desperately needed PG spot for the Devils, but of course there is a big learning curve in all this. Greenwell should be steady behind Stevens who inherits the status of the key Devil spotlight player. But with a huge percentage of the rebounding post presence graduating, the Devils will need some step-ups in the post, as their big incoming class is very largely guard oriented, which could bring about the potential for transfers in the future. Among the top 4 in the ACC, and I'm guessing something like 26-8 for the season.

But I certainly am no expert on the Devils' future performance like his lordly one who always nails their fate with his superior wisdom. So why not ask him to convey his prescience upon you like he did last year, being the expert of experts on all things WCBB?

 

[HuskyNan]

But I certainly am no expert on the Devils' future performance like his lordly one who always nails their fate with his superior wisdom. So why not ask him to convey his prescience upon you like he did last year, being the expert of experts on all things WCBB?

Was this argument over the date of an article? Really?

 

[AnotherVolFan]

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Yesssssssssssssssss Nicki!!!!!!!!

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

Until the mods lock up this thread and I get another message from them to be nice to our stressed-out Dookie visitors who think they are L'il Hot Stuff in their own minds, I'm quite willing to keep keep kicking devil butt while browsing through all that interesting stuff on the Den and RebKell from way back. It is off season after all. And please keep the French coming, as it does show your high breeding and pretensions.

Kicking devil butt?
#Delusion
#ConvinceYourself

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

 

[rvwsleep]

I thought I would change the subject.
1. Connecticut
2. Baylor
3. South Carolina
4. Tennessee
5. Notre Dame
6. Florida St
7. Duke
8. Louisville
9. Ohio St.
10.North Carolina

 

[Sluconn Husky]

I thought I would change the subject.
1. Connecticut
2. Baylor
3. South Carolina
4. Tennessee
5. Notre Dame
6. Florida St
7. Duke
8. Louisville
9. Ohio St.
10.North Carolina

No Maryland?

 

[triaddukefan]

I still dont see all the love for Louisville......

 

[rvwsleep]

No Maryland?

My fault. I didn't transpose my notes accurately to the laptop. Thanks for checking on me.

1. Connecticut
2. Baylor
3. South Carolina
4. Tennessee
5. Notre Dame
6. Maryland
7. Florida St
8. Duke
9. Louisville
10.Ohio St.

 

[Sluconn Husky]

Isn't Imovbiah an interior player? Wouldn't Wilson, Coates, and White soak up most of the minutes at the 4-5 positions?

 

[DobbsRover2]

Was this argument over the date of an article? Really?

You got something better to argue about? We could go back to Bria's height, or what a set shot is, or what is the minimum average of a good FT shooter is, or whether the the 2002 or 2009 or 2014 team was better, or whether Swanier or MoJeff was faster, or which Husky player has the best dance moves. All of them would be intellectually challenging subjects, I guess.

But as a Taurus type from April, when a Dookie tells me the July 29 is in my month, I just say that's bull.

 

[Gus Mahler]

You got something better to argue about? We could go back to Bria's height, or what a set shot is, or what is the minimum average of a good FT shooter is, or whether the the 2002 or 2009 or 2014 team was better, or whether Swanier or MoJeff was faster, or which Husky player has the best dance moves. All of them would be intellectually challenging subjects, I guess.

But as a Taurus type from April, when a Dookie tells me the July 29 is in my month, I just say that's bull.

One can argue about what a set shot is?

 

[SCGamecock]

As I posted in the USC thread, Staley was looking to add a big - possibly from the JUCO ranks - to her one-player 2015 class of Canadian PG Shay Coffey. We were heavily recruiting 6-3 JUCO Evelyn Akhator, but sounds like we won't be in her final group. We're deep in the mix for Italian 6-2 W Cecilia Zandalasini as well, and since Imovbiah will be playing her 5th senior year - and therefore is a one-and-done player for whoever she plays for - we may bring her in plus another, and benefit from her seniority and leadership while White and whoever else develops. Or we could just bring her in, be done with the 2015 class, and look for another highly regarded big for the '16 class.

But again this is not official yet - Coach Staley tweeted the program just got an addition, but of course couldn't say who it was. May be more official news is put out tonight or tomorrow, and it may end up not even being Imovbiah. But the timing of it all seemed to click....

A class of Colley and Zandalisini with Imovbiah as a one and done would make me VERY happy. Colley, while not highly regarded is a 4 star gamer out of Canada. She's mature and athletic with a big body. She'll give us more size at point (she's bigger than sessions/cuevas) or she'll be moved to the 2.

Everybody knows about Zandalisini. She's a player that could really help us begin to chip into that talent gap between UCONN/ND and USC.. Apparently she's really high on SC.

 

[Gus Mahler]

Crazy, isn't it? A set shot is a shot of a set, usually a set of 6 to 10 shots. The sets typically come in a box, but not a bag. Anyone should know that.....

Thanks for the enlightenment. I would think that a set shot would not be a set that varies from 6 to 10, but a set amount (excluding the null set, else why would you do it?)

 

[tennparker3]

My opinion...
1.) Using "waiting tables" as part of a jab is as lame as it gets. Pretentious to the max (and no, I don't wait tables for a living).
2.) UConn is the only for sure thing about this list. ND, SC, Tennessee, FSU, Louisville, Baylor and possibly Oregon State being the main challengers. Duke, UNC, ASU, Ohio State, Maryland and Texas will all be in consideration as well at some point.
3.) Russell and Deshields will be a bigger and better addition to a top team than anyone else. That is just my prediction. If I have to eat crow, I will. There are some fantastic players coming in and I am excited to see KLS and Anigwe for Cal the most outside of Cooper and Jackson for Tennessee. It seems as if Anigwe, KLS and Cooper are all pretty close friends based on social media so it would be fun to see those three lead the race for NFOY honors.

 

[triaddukefan]

My opinion...
1.) Using "waiting tables" as part of a jab is as lame as it gets. Pretentious to the max (and no, I don't wait tables for a living).
2.) UConn is the only for sure thing about this list. ND, SC, Tennessee, FSU, Louisville, Baylor and possibly Oregon State being the main challengers. Duke, UNC, ASU, Ohio State, Maryland and Texas will all be in consideration as well at some point.
3.) Russell and Deshields will be a bigger and better addition to a top team than anyone else. That is just my prediction. If I have to eat crow, I will. There are some fantastic players coming in and I am excited to see KLS and Anigwe for Cal the most outside of Cooper and Jackson for Tennessee. It seems as if Anigwe, KLS and Cooper are all pretty close friends based on social media so it would be fun to see those three lead the race for NFOY honors.

Tell me what you like about Louisville to have them so high on your list ?

 

[nd2tty]

I don't about Duke tbh. I find it difficult to imagine them being any better than they were last year. Maybe fewer losses (25-9 or something like that), but still don't see them making it past the s16. Let's look at their roster by class: SR (Riggs), JR, JR, SO, SO, SO, RSO, FR, FR, FR, FR, FR. They have a lot of talent, but little experience (especially in key roles) and mediocre coaching (IMHO). Now I know Salvadores has international experience (see Chris Dailey on Kia Nurse "she's not really a freshman"), but she is going to be asked to do a whole lot more than Nurse was asked to do last year. I think it will be difficult to avoid an upset in the tournament and even more difficult to beat a #1 or #2 seed with more upperclassmen and more experience.