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It looks about right. I can't fault them for dropping Boykin down - she's not a flashy player and does a ton of the dirty work that is necessary, but does not show up on stats sheets. We all know who Angela Salvadores is, but I've never heard of Cecelia Zandalisini. I don't know where Cooper used to be, but I'm sure orange fans will have a fit over her dropping to 19. And they were all a twitter about hopefully landing Beatrice Montpremier, as they preferred her over Degrate (post who chose L'ville), only to see BM drop down to 42. Oh, but I KNOW she (and Cooper) are MUCH better than their rankings! LOL...;)
 
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Arike Ogunbale moved from 24 to 10. Louisville has two PGs for 2015 with Durr and Cole so I'm thinking she will take a hard look at ND
 
ericsandiego said:
It looks about right. I can't fault them for dropping Boykin down - she's not a flashy player and does a ton of the dirty work that is necessary, but does not show up on stats sheets. We all know who Angela Salvadores is, but I've never heard of Cecelia Zandalisini. I don't know where Cooper used to be, but I'm sure orange fans will have a fit over her dropping to 19. And they were all a twitter about hopefully landing Beatrice Montpremier, as they preferred her over Degrate (post who chose L'ville), only to see BM drop down to 42. Oh, but I KNOW she (and Cooper) are MUCH better than their rankings! LOL...;)
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Kiah Stokes was ranked 42 on HoopGurlz
 
Paul1969 said:
Arike Ogunbale moved from 24 to 10. Louisville has two PGs for 2015 with Durr and Cole so I'm thinking she will take a hard look at ND
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I had been wondering when they would bring Ogunbowale up. With her resume, 24 did not make sense.

They have her as a PG but I think teams are looking at as 2-guard as well. Even Olson's 2013 evaluation calls her an off-guard. Bear in mind that ND already has Ali Patberg (up 25 to 14) in the mix as a "combo guard".

Meanwhile, Marina Mabrey's impressive summer (making U-18 team, among leading scorers in EYBL) sees her drop 19 to 26. I think she's been trending up in the other rankings.
 
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vowelguy said:
Boykin was #32 previously, so actually they upgraded her.
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Really? My old spreadsheet has her down as #10 in Hoop Gurlz. I had Jamesha Jackson as the previous Hoop Gurlz #32. Maybe I'm a couple updates behind, though.
 
Orangutan said:
Really? My old spreadsheet has her down as #10 in Hoop Gurlz. I had Jamesha Jackson as the previous Hoop Gurlz #32. Maybe I'm a couple updates behind, though.
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Thats what my spread had as well. I remember all 3 UCONN recruits being in the top 10.
 
FairView said:
If Cecelia Zandalisini is that good, she shouldn't overlook the fact that there are very few D1 US schools where the head coach can speak her language.
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Luigi could get Mama Marciella to whip up some struffoli and all could have a merry old time

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It's hard to believe that Collier fell 2 spots after the incredible summer she had on the court.....But maybe those other girls are just that good too.

As for Boykin , I think her value cannot be measured strictly on offensive play. She does so many other things on the court that just doesn't show up in the stats. Like playing good defense , positioning ; boxing out ; setting up teammates; and getting teammates open. etc.. etc..

To the UConn Huskies she's still Top 10.
 
How could Collier have dropped? I can't beleieve how that is even possible. What does she need to do, do 360 dunks and hit half court shots?

And there was a poster here 2 motnhs ago that thought Boykin's rankings were dropped becasue of her injury. Wonder what his comments would be regarding her drop.
 
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Some players don't "fall" so much as others get upgraded and that just re-shuffles things. That said, Collier getting skipped by two Euros is really silly, I don't care how good Salvadores looked at U-17. Also, having watched Jessica Shepherd quite a bit there is no way she's a better prospect than Collier. But then, they don't pay me to rank 'em.
 
alexrgct said:
Is there anything more meaningless than 52 five-star players???? Good gravy!
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The optimist in me hopes it's because there is a greater depth of talent than in the olden days.
 
Rankings are often a matter of taste and subjective priorities (and politics, but I won't go there). Boykin isn't flashy, a little undersized, and not a freak athlete. She may not scream WNBA lottery pick potential, but in terms of her college ball career she strikes me as top 10 material that will consistently get it done. And I think she will be a factor very early for the Huskies.

As far as Napheesa Collier, who knows? By the time she graduates she might get picked before Katie Lou in the WNBA draft.

I agree it's hard to justify ranking Euros so high given he/they probably got limited glimpses of them and only in specific contexts.
 
Icebear said:
52 5 stars, wow! and 21 98 rated players, Zowie!!!
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Meh - they watered down the 2014 class, too - 21 players with a final ranking of 98. Imagine Kathryn Westbeld rated the same as Breanna Stewart a couple of years earlier!
 
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Wonkster said:
Meh - they watered down the 2014 class, too - 21 players with a final ranking of 98. Imagine Kathryn Westbeld rated the same as Breanna Stewart a couple of years earlier!
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Hey, Westbeld might be as good as Stewart (in magical fairy Irish dreamland), let me have my delusion!
 
sawxfan23 said:
HoopGurlz ratings are laughable at best IMHO.
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I'm (honestly) not trying to be antagonistic here, but I would love to know what your opinion is based on. Is it a comparison with the other ranking services? Have you seen these players play (outside of the international competitions)? Which players do you feel are badly misranked and why?
 
sawxfan23 said:
HoopGurlz ratings are laughable at best IMHO.
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Possibly. BUT. . .

When you take all the rating services and examine their rankings/ratings of individual players, you can usually get a good idea of the player's potential. There is either a consensus or consistency except for an outlier (love that word, coined, I believe, by polling genius Nate Silver).

I have often posted my view of the combination of vital importance and extreme difficulty in evaluating individual athetic talent (hey, remember the trade of Jim Fregosi for Nolan Ryan?). This process is compounded when guesstimating how individuals will perform at the next level (remember Ryan Leaf?).

So the stakes are high and the margin for error is wide. And putting down any single rating service is as easy as catching fish in a barrel. But I contend that when viewed collectively they are useful.

Maybe.;)
 
hoophuskee said:
How could Collier have dropped? I can't beleieve how that is even possible. What does she need to do, do 360 dunks and hit half court shots?

And there was a poster here 2 motnhs ago that thought Boykin's rankings were dropped becasue of her injury. Wonder what his comments would be regarding her drop.
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I would have to agree with your concern.All Collier did,was act like superwoman all summer,and had us,as well as others,believing she was a possibility for super stardom.In my mind,she is a top four in her class.
It will be exciting to see if this rating sends her on a mission,to get even better and prove the "experts" are wrong again.
 
Kibitzer said:
Possibly. BUT. . .

When you take all the rating services and examine their rankings/ratings of individual players, you can usually get a good idea of the player's potential. There is either a consensus or consistency except for an outlier (love that word, coined, I believe, by polling genius Nate Silver).

I have often posted my view of the combination of vital importance and extreme difficulty in evaluating individual athetic talent (hey, remember the trade of Jim Fregosi for Nolan Ryan?). This process is compounded when guesstimating how individuals will perform at the next level (remember Ryan Leaf?).

So the stakes are high and the margin for error is wide. And putting down any single rating service is as easy as catching fish in a barrel. But I contend that when viewed collectively they are useful.

Maybe.;)
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If you're referring to the term 'outlier', it's been around for centuries; it predates Sir Ronald Fisher (who coined the term 'variance' and wrote the seminal textbook on the statistical methods for experimenters) by well over 100 years!
 
Paul1969 said:
Kiah Stokes was ranked 42 on HoopGurlz
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Not sure you know this, but that was a completely different set of scouts evaluating talent. A few years ago, ESPN/Hoopgurlz was Chris Hansen, Glenn Nelson, and a few others. ESPN shook things up, kept the Hoopgurlz trade name, and now uses Dan Olson (of Collegiate Basketball Girls Report) for its rankings.

vowelguy said:
Overall, the changes seem to bring ESPN more in line with the other rankings.
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There will always be differences in rankings and perception, based upon what evaluators look for in players and what they consider as criteria for their respective rankings. But I have noticed a lot greater uniformity among the ranking services (to extent such things are possible), at least as it pertains to the Duke commitments.
 
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