Edsall's Thougts on UCONN vs. Maryland

[sdhusky]

But please recognize that I can't recall a single person saying he was the equivalent of Geno or Calhoun. Personally, I think part of the disappointment with him is because that was some fans' expectations.

Please recognize that I can't recall saying anyone saying he was the equivalent of Calhoun or Geno. Also, please recognize I can't recall anyone saying he can fly.

He didn't suck. He wasn't terrible.

But I think that any BE coach in the last decade not named GROB would have achieved about the same and some, alot more.

He never left the trailers in his mind.

 

[Uconnalliance]

What is understood need never be discussed.... He's gone move on.

 

[mauconnfan]

He didn't suck, he wan't great but he built the program. It was time for him to go as he reached his ceiling and if he left as a coward then so be it........

The only funny thing is everyone knows he did an awful job communicating with CT HS coaches and his thought of MD vs CT is actually very funny........excuses as one would say but there no excuses for the Hsukies not to be pumped up to kick his a**.............

 

[WestCoastHusky]

It is pretty clear to me regarding his comments about CT recruiting vs. MD recruiting. If we win more games here than he at MD, then his comments are basically meaningless. If Boise can build a winning team out in Idaho with almost no D-1A content, we can do it here in CT. There should not be an excuse we use why our team is not performing well.

 

[FillTheRent]

"The Terps have a 54,000-seat stadium right in the heart of the campus, there is stability and marketability in the Atlantic Coast Conference, and a great recruiting base with two cities - Baltimore and Washington, D.C. - less than an hour away."

And yet they only sold 31,321 tickets for their home opener this year.

 

[pj]

Bizlaw is right, Edsall did an excellent job here. I'm glad he chose to leave though, because he wasn't going to take us farther. He left the cupboard bare on offense and a few bad seasons and conference uncertainty would have ruined defensive recruiting too. Now we have a better chance to go to a higher level as a program.

We do need to fix the offense. I love P but last week's game destroyed my faith in DeLeone. How can you script a gameplan that has no chance to succeed against any team that watched the UMass game? How can you run pass plays with no outlet within 15 yards of the quarterback -- all the backs in to block and all the receivers downfield -- when the o-line hasn't proved it can maintain protection and the qb hasn't proven he can complete long passes against a quality secondary? How can you run the wildcat with no threat to pass allowing all 11 defenders in the box? It is baffling.

People said after UMass that they limited the offense to avoid giving insight to NC State. I believed it. Now it seems they limited the offense against UMass to telegraph to NC State exactly what they would do.

 

[Kgun7]

I prefer to think the truth lies halfway between BL & sdhusky. Of course, if you asked anyone in 1998 - "How many times will UCONN defeat Syracuse in their first 10 years in the Big East?" ... you wouldn't get a majority of answers over 3. But the college lanscape has changed over the last 10 years and the task didn't really prove to be as hard as first thought. And in all fairness it would probably be very difficult to get many of the boneyard posters to write what they actually thought in 1998 ...

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Go up 10, 14-0 and his sphincter will get so tight, he wont be able to think.

 

[whaler11]

Please recognize that I can't recall saying anyone saying he was the equivalent of Calhoun or Geno. Also, please recognize I can't recall anyone saying he can fly.

He didn't suck. He wasn't terrible.

But I think that any BE coach in the last decade not named GROB would have achieved about the same and some, alot more.

He never left the trailers in his mind.

Well let me explain how this is horseshit in 25 words or less.

Edsall had two perfect contemporaries who both had a similar starting point and the same tenure.

Edsall accomplished more than Schiano or Leavitt. So really - horseshit.

 

[whaler11]

Go up 10, 14-0 and his sphincter will get so tight, he wont be able to think.

He actually gets tighter up 14-0 than down 14-0.

 

[rich1122]

Yes and we are going to kick your Randy. Here is one for the road.

 

[Bootsthemonkey]

I don't doubt some of the high schools down there turn out a high number of D-1 athletes. Baltimore's Gilman HS just beat Don Bosco Prep - the same Bosco that just waxed Greenwich in a scrimmage 42-7. This years Bosco squad has 8 players I believe who have D-1 offers. Who knows what Gilman has. DeMatha HS is routinely ranked in the top 25 nationally. CT schools rarely get a sniff in regional rankings. I don't take offense at the comment. It is what it is.

 

[sdhusky]

Well let me explain how this is horse**** in 25 words or less.

Edsall had two perfect contemporaries who both had a similar starting point and the same tenure.

Edsall accomplished more than Schiano or Leavitt. So really - horse****.

 

[sdhusky]

Well let me explain how this is horse**** in 25 words or less.

Edsall had two perfect contemporaries who both had a similar starting point and the same tenure.

Edsall accomplished more than Schiano or Leavitt. So really - horse****.

I don't buy that.

I will say that Edsall had better timing. Both LEavitt and Schiano had better teams that Edsall's best.

 

[The Viking]

I think part of the resentment of Edsall is the fact that with all his flirting with other AD's over the years and his subsequent job in Maryland of all places, he didn't seem to show much respect and belief in the present and future of UConn football. He saw the Fiesta bowl stomping as the absolute ceiling and couldn't wait to get the hell out of Dodge like that Italian captain who pushed women and children off of lifeboats so he could escape a sinking cruiseliner.

And every recruiting season and every football season we as fans root like hell that the new coach will eventually prove him wrong.

And someday Coach P or some new face will.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Well if the statement about CT high school talent is wrong, where are all these players many of you believe he is wrong about?

 

[BlueMAB]

I think everyone knows it's a FACT that CT high school football is subpar to Marlyand/DC/Virginia and I don't even think it's close.

I agree with that.

I called bullsh!t on the statement there are multiple high schools that pump out as many D1 players at the entire state of CT. That's Randy talking out of his @ss.

 

[BlueMAB]

Well if the statement about CT high school talent is wrong, where are all these players many of you believe he is wrong about?

USC, Penn State, Maryland, Temple, UConn, Rutgers, etc, etc.

It's not that there isn't more talent down there. There is (there's also more competition), my only complaint is that he believes there are high schools that pump out more than CT as a state.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

The problem anyone coaching UConn and trying to recruit CT kids is that there simply isn't a very big pool to pick from. I mean look at this state. There are counties in other states bigger than CT. LOL there's probably a couple ranches out west bigger than CT. Then add the fact that there are a lot of people in this state leary about football related injuries and whether they want their sons playing the sport in the first place and...... school systems looking at soccer as a less expensive alternative. Look at Suffield. For a while they had a combined team with Windsor Locks and I'm not even sure they have that any more. I'm not saying that there isn't legit Div 1 talent in the state, I'm just saying states like VA are bigger and have more kids playing football so they obviously have a bigger pool of players.

Now Randy could have done a better job reaching out to the high school coaches around here and obviously anyone coaching UConn has to see that it's got to be a regional thing because of the size of the recruiting pool you have. I give credit to Edsall for sticking it out for 10 years while UConn made the transition to BCS but he killed that credibility in the way he left and I won't let go of that. That was a real bush league move and he has to be held accountable. After UConn pounds them up here next year I'll let it rest.

Wow then it's gotta be impossible for Oregon, what with not one but two Pac 12 programs. How do they do it. Look, get the right "personality" in the head coaching position and you'll get your share of players. Start to do things big time and you get more than your share.

 

[BHusky]

I agree with that.

I called bullsh!t on the statement there are multiple high schools that pump out as many D1 players at the entire state of CT. That's Randy talking out of his @ss.

Depending on the year, what does CT generate in D1 football talent (i.e., full ride offers, no walk ons) 6-10 players? I don't think Edsall was off at all be generally stating that there are schools in MD that generate that alone. Dematha consistently pumps out D1 talent and probably averages 4-5 full ride D1 players a year. A really good class there might have 6-7 scholarship players. I am sure there are a few other schools like that as well, so his statement was not ridiculous at all.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

USC, Penn State, Maryland, Temple, UConn, Rutgers, etc, etc.

It's not that there isn't more talent down there. There is (there's also more competition), my only complaint is that he believes there are high schools that pump out more than CT as a state.

I can testify that his statement isn't a stretch. We only produce 8-10 D-I players in a good year. I can name a few high schools in Maryland that routinely produce 5-6 annually. At worst, he is guilty of mild exaggeration.

 

[mets1090]

The real issue here is that Edsall wasn't shy about stating this fact while he was coaching in this state. It was never a secret that the in state coaches didn't like him and he did nothing to try to make this better.

 

[metsfan2323]

I can testify that his statement isn't a stretch. We only produce 8-10 D-I players in a good year. I can name a few high schools in Maryland that routinely produce 5-6 annually. At worst, he is guilty of mild exaggeration.

Its an asinine thing for Edsall to say. CT had 6 former high school players taken in the 2010 draft alone. Has any high school in the country ever produced 6 in one draft?

http://www.facebook.com/notes/nfp-s...connecticut-high-school-football/388300656085

 

[husky10]

Gotta ask who made that their picture first? I didnt have trouble following until you started replying to each other.

 

[metsfan2323]

All time NFL players born in CT as of 2010, 170 players. The Maryland list was 200 players. They have us beat by 30 players all time. Edsall is a jerk.
Player
O'Brien Alston
Glenn Antrum
Jahine Arnold
Richard Atkinson
Stephen Banas
Edward Barnikow
Carl Barzilauskas
Francis Barzilauskas
Kevin Belcher
Gerald Bell
Kenneth Bell
Mel Black
Gilbert Bouley
Edward Bradley
Edward Bradley
Arthur Braman
Jamaal Branch
John Bredice
Matthew Brennan
Ethan Brooks
Tony Brown
Ralph Buckley
Kestutis Bungarda
Charles Butler
Bruce Campbell
Patterson Cannamela
Mark Carlson
John Carney
Thomas Cichowski
Stuart Clancy
Willie Clark
Vincent Clements
Edward Cody
Thomas Condon
Harry Connolly
John Contoulis
James Crocicchia
Jerome Daniels
Nathan Davis
Tony De Luca
Nicholas DeFelice
Louis DeFilippo
Richard Diana
Robert Dobelstein
Robert Dobelstein
James Donlan
Maurice Dubofsky
Doug DuBose
Paul Dufault
J. Dugan
James Dumont
Edward Ellis
Walter Ellis
Michael Fallon
Arthur Forst
Dwight Freeney
Jacob Friedman
Ronald Gardin
Louis Ghecas
Nicholas Giaquinto
Robert Gifford
Chester Gladchuck
Thomas Gormley
David Graham
George Grandinette
James Hamilton
Steven Hammond
Anttaj Hawthorne
Christopher Hetherington
Thomas Hickey
Andrew Hillhouse
Nate Hobgood-Chittick
Kenneth Holley
Joseph Horn
Franklin Hubell
Joseph Hugret
Harry Jacunski
Joseph Johnson
Joseph Johnson
Michael Jones
Tebucky Jones
Alex Joseph
Max Kadesky
Eulis Keahey
Edward Keenan
Edward Korsiky
William Kovacsy
Gary Kowalski
Paul Kuczo
Robert Kuziel
Peter Lamana
Ronald Lamb
Ronald Lamb
Paul Lane
Scott Leach
Harold Lester
Floyd Little
Floyd Little
Gerald Lusteg
Gerald Lusteg
Anthony Manfreda
Timothy Mazzetti
Elmer McCormick
Robert Miller
Robin Monaco
Ron Monaco
George Mulligan
Philip Murphy
Bobby Myers
Thomas Myers
Andrew Natowich
Herbert Nelson
Richard Noble
John O'Connell
Clifford Olander
James Opperman
Daniel Orlovsky
Stanley Osiecki
Louis Palazzi
William Petrilas
Todd Philcox
Nicholas Pietrosante
Andrew Pinnock
Joseph Pivarnik
John Pohlman
Phillip Puzzuoli
George Radachowsky
Raymond Reckmark
Jamey Richard
Timothy Riordan
Eugene Robinson
Fred Robinson
Andrew Robustelli
William Romanowski
Thomas Rychlec
Thomas Rychlec
Anthony Sagnella
Tarek Saleh
John Scalzi
Herman Schmarr
Raymond Schwab
Alexander Sidorik
Alexander Sidorik
Daniel Sileo
John Sisk
Robert Skoronski
John Spellman
Eric Stokes
Elmer Strong
George Sulima
Richard Swatland
Donald Thomas
Richard Tuckey
Francis Turbert
Enrico Ugoccioni
Brian Vertefeuille
Elmer Volgenau
William Walik
Timothy Walker
Elbert Werwaiss
David Widell
Douglas Widell
Arthur Williams
Thomas Wilson
Terrence Wooden
Richard Young
Gerald Zawadzkas
Henry Zehrer
John Zilly

 

[UConnDan97]

All time NFL players born in CT as of 2010, 170 players. The Maryland list was 200 players. They have us beat by 30 players all time.

If that is true (and I'll take your word for it that it is), then that is an impressive statistic. Especially when you consider the following:

Population
Maryland: 5.8 million
Connecticut: 3.6 million

So a state that has 60% more people in it than we do has only produced 18% more NFL players??? It seems that I can fairly say to a high degree of statistical relevance that Connecticut has historically had a better brand of football per capita than does Maryland! Nice!!!

Hey 2323, if you could, would you be able to break down the amount of NFL players generated from those states over the last 15 years (covering the Edsall era). That would be interesting to talk about, even if it defends Maryland's side of the case. I want the numbers to tell the story...

 

[BHusky]

All time NFL players born in CT as of 2010, 170 players. The Maryland list was 200 players. They have us beat by 30 players all time. Edsall is a jerk.
Player
O'Brien Alston
Glenn Antrum
Jahine Arnold
Richard Atkinson
Stephen Banas
Edward Barnikow
Carl Barzilauskas
Francis Barzilauskas
Kevin Belcher
Gerald Bell
Kenneth Bell
Mel Black
Gilbert Bouley
Edward Bradley
Edward Bradley
Arthur Braman
Jamaal Branch
John Bredice
Matthew Brennan
Ethan Brooks
Tony Brown
Ralph Buckley
Kestutis Bungarda
Charles Butler
Bruce Campbell
Patterson Cannamela
Mark Carlson
John Carney
Thomas Cichowski
Stuart Clancy
Willie Clark
Vincent Clements
Edward Cody
Thomas Condon
Harry Connolly
John Contoulis
James Crocicchia
Jerome Daniels
Nathan Davis
Tony De Luca
Nicholas DeFelice
Louis DeFilippo
Richard Diana
Robert Dobelstein
Robert Dobelstein
James Donlan
Maurice Dubofsky
Doug DuBose
Paul Dufault
J. Dugan
James Dumont
Edward Ellis
Walter Ellis
Michael Fallon
Arthur Forst
Dwight Freeney
Jacob Friedman
Ronald Gardin
Louis Ghecas
Nicholas Giaquinto
Robert Gifford
Chester Gladchuck
Thomas Gormley
David Graham
George Grandinette
James Hamilton
Steven Hammond
Anttaj Hawthorne
Christopher Hetherington
Thomas Hickey
Andrew Hillhouse
Nate Hobgood-Chittick
Kenneth Holley
Joseph Horn
Franklin Hubell
Joseph Hugret
Harry Jacunski
Joseph Johnson
Joseph Johnson
Michael Jones
Tebucky Jones
Alex Joseph
Max Kadesky
Eulis Keahey
Edward Keenan
Edward Korsiky
William Kovacsy
Gary Kowalski
Paul Kuczo
Robert Kuziel
Peter Lamana
Ronald Lamb
Ronald Lamb
Paul Lane
Scott Leach
Harold Lester
Floyd Little
Floyd Little
Gerald Lusteg
Gerald Lusteg
Anthony Manfreda
Timothy Mazzetti
Elmer McCormick
Robert Miller
Robin Monaco
Ron Monaco
George Mulligan
Philip Murphy
Bobby Myers
Thomas Myers
Andrew Natowich
Herbert Nelson
Richard Noble
John O'Connell
Clifford Olander
James Opperman
Daniel Orlovsky
Stanley Osiecki
Louis Palazzi
William Petrilas
Todd Philcox
Nicholas Pietrosante
Andrew Pinnock
Joseph Pivarnik
John Pohlman
Phillip Puzzuoli
George Radachowsky
Raymond Reckmark
Jamey Richard
Timothy Riordan
Eugene Robinson
Fred Robinson
Andrew Robustelli
William Romanowski
Thomas Rychlec
Thomas Rychlec
Anthony Sagnella
Tarek Saleh
John Scalzi
Herman Schmarr
Raymond Schwab
Alexander Sidorik
Alexander Sidorik
Daniel Sileo
John Sisk
Robert Skoronski
John Spellman
Eric Stokes
Elmer Strong
George Sulima
Richard Swatland
Donald Thomas
Richard Tuckey
Francis Turbert
Enrico Ugoccioni
Brian Vertefeuille
Elmer Volgenau
William Walik
Timothy Walker
Elbert Werwaiss
David Widell
Douglas Widell
Arthur Williams
Thomas Wilson
Terrence Wooden
Richard Young
Gerald Zawadzkas
Henry Zehrer
John Zilly

Although impressive for CT, the discussion was regarding D1 talent for HS football. Not how many of those players make the NFL.

 

[metsfan2323]

Hey 2323, if you could, would you be able to break down the amount of NFL players generated from those states over the last 15 years (covering the Edsall era). That would be interesting to talk about, even if it defends Maryland's side of the case. I want the numbers to tell the story...

Excluding everyone who started their NFL career before 1980

Maryland 106

CT 63

It seems to be proportional to population difference which makes sense.

 

[UConnDan97]

Excluding everyone who started their NFL career before 1980

Maryland 106

CT 63

It seems to be proportional to population difference which makes sense.

That's cool, but the reason that I was wondering about a 15 year "look-back" was that it would encompass Edsall's time here in CT.

And I want everyone to keep in mind that I could be considered to be an "apologista" myself, since I think that Edsall did a great job at UConn. But I have to be honest and say that every time I read about the Fiesta Bowl, I want to punch him square in the mouth...

 

[metsfan2323]

That's cool, but the reason that I was wondering about a 15 year "look-back" was that it would encompass Edsall's time here in CT.

And I want everyone to keep in mind that I could be considered to be an "apologista" myself, since I think that Edsall did a great job at UConn. But I have to be honest and say that every time I read about the Fiesta Bowl, I want to punch him square in the mouth...

The Edsall era:

Maryland 31

CT 16