Edsall's Thougts on UCONN vs. Maryland

[MilliniumPrince]

USC, Penn State, Maryland, Temple, UConn, Rutgers, etc, etc.

It's not that there isn't more talent down there. There is (there's also more competition), my only complaint is that he believes there are high schools that pump out more than CT as a state.

I can testify that his statement isn't a stretch. We only produce 8-10 D-I players in a good year. I can name a few high schools in Maryland that routinely produce 5-6 annually. At worst, he is guilty of mild exaggeration.

 

[mets1090]

The real issue here is that Edsall wasn't shy about stating this fact while he was coaching in this state. It was never a secret that the in state coaches didn't like him and he did nothing to try to make this better.

 

[metsfan2323]

I can testify that his statement isn't a stretch. We only produce 8-10 D-I players in a good year. I can name a few high schools in Maryland that routinely produce 5-6 annually. At worst, he is guilty of mild exaggeration.

Its an asinine thing for Edsall to say. CT had 6 former high school players taken in the 2010 draft alone. Has any high school in the country ever produced 6 in one draft?

http://www.facebook.com/notes/nfp-s...connecticut-high-school-football/388300656085

 

[husky10]

Gotta ask who made that their picture first? I didnt have trouble following until you started replying to each other.

 

[metsfan2323]

All time NFL players born in CT as of 2010, 170 players. The Maryland list was 200 players. They have us beat by 30 players all time. Edsall is a jerk.
Player
O'Brien Alston
Glenn Antrum
Jahine Arnold
Richard Atkinson
Stephen Banas
Edward Barnikow
Carl Barzilauskas
Francis Barzilauskas
Kevin Belcher
Gerald Bell
Kenneth Bell
Mel Black
Gilbert Bouley
Edward Bradley
Edward Bradley
Arthur Braman
Jamaal Branch
John Bredice
Matthew Brennan
Ethan Brooks
Tony Brown
Ralph Buckley
Kestutis Bungarda
Charles Butler
Bruce Campbell
Patterson Cannamela
Mark Carlson
John Carney
Thomas Cichowski
Stuart Clancy
Willie Clark
Vincent Clements
Edward Cody
Thomas Condon
Harry Connolly
John Contoulis
James Crocicchia
Jerome Daniels
Nathan Davis
Tony De Luca
Nicholas DeFelice
Louis DeFilippo
Richard Diana
Robert Dobelstein
Robert Dobelstein
James Donlan
Maurice Dubofsky
Doug DuBose
Paul Dufault
J. Dugan
James Dumont
Edward Ellis
Walter Ellis
Michael Fallon
Arthur Forst
Dwight Freeney
Jacob Friedman
Ronald Gardin
Louis Ghecas
Nicholas Giaquinto
Robert Gifford
Chester Gladchuck
Thomas Gormley
David Graham
George Grandinette
James Hamilton
Steven Hammond
Anttaj Hawthorne
Christopher Hetherington
Thomas Hickey
Andrew Hillhouse
Nate Hobgood-Chittick
Kenneth Holley
Joseph Horn
Franklin Hubell
Joseph Hugret
Harry Jacunski
Joseph Johnson
Joseph Johnson
Michael Jones
Tebucky Jones
Alex Joseph
Max Kadesky
Eulis Keahey
Edward Keenan
Edward Korsiky
William Kovacsy
Gary Kowalski
Paul Kuczo
Robert Kuziel
Peter Lamana
Ronald Lamb
Ronald Lamb
Paul Lane
Scott Leach
Harold Lester
Floyd Little
Floyd Little
Gerald Lusteg
Gerald Lusteg
Anthony Manfreda
Timothy Mazzetti
Elmer McCormick
Robert Miller
Robin Monaco
Ron Monaco
George Mulligan
Philip Murphy
Bobby Myers
Thomas Myers
Andrew Natowich
Herbert Nelson
Richard Noble
John O'Connell
Clifford Olander
James Opperman
Daniel Orlovsky
Stanley Osiecki
Louis Palazzi
William Petrilas
Todd Philcox
Nicholas Pietrosante
Andrew Pinnock
Joseph Pivarnik
John Pohlman
Phillip Puzzuoli
George Radachowsky
Raymond Reckmark
Jamey Richard
Timothy Riordan
Eugene Robinson
Fred Robinson
Andrew Robustelli
William Romanowski
Thomas Rychlec
Thomas Rychlec
Anthony Sagnella
Tarek Saleh
John Scalzi
Herman Schmarr
Raymond Schwab
Alexander Sidorik
Alexander Sidorik
Daniel Sileo
John Sisk
Robert Skoronski
John Spellman
Eric Stokes
Elmer Strong
George Sulima
Richard Swatland
Donald Thomas
Richard Tuckey
Francis Turbert
Enrico Ugoccioni
Brian Vertefeuille
Elmer Volgenau
William Walik
Timothy Walker
Elbert Werwaiss
David Widell
Douglas Widell
Arthur Williams
Thomas Wilson
Terrence Wooden
Richard Young
Gerald Zawadzkas
Henry Zehrer
John Zilly

 

[UConnDan97]

All time NFL players born in CT as of 2010, 170 players. The Maryland list was 200 players. They have us beat by 30 players all time.

If that is true (and I'll take your word for it that it is), then that is an impressive statistic. Especially when you consider the following:

Population
Maryland: 5.8 million
Connecticut: 3.6 million

So a state that has 60% more people in it than we do has only produced 18% more NFL players??? It seems that I can fairly say to a high degree of statistical relevance that Connecticut has historically had a better brand of football per capita than does Maryland! Nice!!!

Hey 2323, if you could, would you be able to break down the amount of NFL players generated from those states over the last 15 years (covering the Edsall era). That would be interesting to talk about, even if it defends Maryland's side of the case. I want the numbers to tell the story...

 

[BHusky]

All time NFL players born in CT as of 2010, 170 players. The Maryland list was 200 players. They have us beat by 30 players all time. Edsall is a jerk.
Player
O'Brien Alston
Glenn Antrum
Jahine Arnold
Richard Atkinson
Stephen Banas
Edward Barnikow
Carl Barzilauskas
Francis Barzilauskas
Kevin Belcher
Gerald Bell
Kenneth Bell
Mel Black
Gilbert Bouley
Edward Bradley
Edward Bradley
Arthur Braman
Jamaal Branch
John Bredice
Matthew Brennan
Ethan Brooks
Tony Brown
Ralph Buckley
Kestutis Bungarda
Charles Butler
Bruce Campbell
Patterson Cannamela
Mark Carlson
John Carney
Thomas Cichowski
Stuart Clancy
Willie Clark
Vincent Clements
Edward Cody
Thomas Condon
Harry Connolly
John Contoulis
James Crocicchia
Jerome Daniels
Nathan Davis
Tony De Luca
Nicholas DeFelice
Louis DeFilippo
Richard Diana
Robert Dobelstein
Robert Dobelstein
James Donlan
Maurice Dubofsky
Doug DuBose
Paul Dufault
J. Dugan
James Dumont
Edward Ellis
Walter Ellis
Michael Fallon
Arthur Forst
Dwight Freeney
Jacob Friedman
Ronald Gardin
Louis Ghecas
Nicholas Giaquinto
Robert Gifford
Chester Gladchuck
Thomas Gormley
David Graham
George Grandinette
James Hamilton
Steven Hammond
Anttaj Hawthorne
Christopher Hetherington
Thomas Hickey
Andrew Hillhouse
Nate Hobgood-Chittick
Kenneth Holley
Joseph Horn
Franklin Hubell
Joseph Hugret
Harry Jacunski
Joseph Johnson
Joseph Johnson
Michael Jones
Tebucky Jones
Alex Joseph
Max Kadesky
Eulis Keahey
Edward Keenan
Edward Korsiky
William Kovacsy
Gary Kowalski
Paul Kuczo
Robert Kuziel
Peter Lamana
Ronald Lamb
Ronald Lamb
Paul Lane
Scott Leach
Harold Lester
Floyd Little
Floyd Little
Gerald Lusteg
Gerald Lusteg
Anthony Manfreda
Timothy Mazzetti
Elmer McCormick
Robert Miller
Robin Monaco
Ron Monaco
George Mulligan
Philip Murphy
Bobby Myers
Thomas Myers
Andrew Natowich
Herbert Nelson
Richard Noble
John O'Connell
Clifford Olander
James Opperman
Daniel Orlovsky
Stanley Osiecki
Louis Palazzi
William Petrilas
Todd Philcox
Nicholas Pietrosante
Andrew Pinnock
Joseph Pivarnik
John Pohlman
Phillip Puzzuoli
George Radachowsky
Raymond Reckmark
Jamey Richard
Timothy Riordan
Eugene Robinson
Fred Robinson
Andrew Robustelli
William Romanowski
Thomas Rychlec
Thomas Rychlec
Anthony Sagnella
Tarek Saleh
John Scalzi
Herman Schmarr
Raymond Schwab
Alexander Sidorik
Alexander Sidorik
Daniel Sileo
John Sisk
Robert Skoronski
John Spellman
Eric Stokes
Elmer Strong
George Sulima
Richard Swatland
Donald Thomas
Richard Tuckey
Francis Turbert
Enrico Ugoccioni
Brian Vertefeuille
Elmer Volgenau
William Walik
Timothy Walker
Elbert Werwaiss
David Widell
Douglas Widell
Arthur Williams
Thomas Wilson
Terrence Wooden
Richard Young
Gerald Zawadzkas
Henry Zehrer
John Zilly

Although impressive for CT, the discussion was regarding D1 talent for HS football. Not how many of those players make the NFL.

 

[metsfan2323]

Hey 2323, if you could, would you be able to break down the amount of NFL players generated from those states over the last 15 years (covering the Edsall era). That would be interesting to talk about, even if it defends Maryland's side of the case. I want the numbers to tell the story...

Excluding everyone who started their NFL career before 1980

Maryland 106

CT 63

It seems to be proportional to population difference which makes sense.

 

[UConnDan97]

Excluding everyone who started their NFL career before 1980

Maryland 106

CT 63

It seems to be proportional to population difference which makes sense.

That's cool, but the reason that I was wondering about a 15 year "look-back" was that it would encompass Edsall's time here in CT.

And I want everyone to keep in mind that I could be considered to be an "apologista" myself, since I think that Edsall did a great job at UConn. But I have to be honest and say that every time I read about the Fiesta Bowl, I want to punch him square in the mouth...

 

[metsfan2323]

That's cool, but the reason that I was wondering about a 15 year "look-back" was that it would encompass Edsall's time here in CT.

And I want everyone to keep in mind that I could be considered to be an "apologista" myself, since I think that Edsall did a great job at UConn. But I have to be honest and say that every time I read about the Fiesta Bowl, I want to punch him square in the mouth...

The Edsall era:

Maryland 31

CT 16

 

[UConnDan97]

The Edsall era:

Maryland 31

CT 16

Okay, so that means that it is statistically the other way during his era, since they have 60% larger population but 91% more NFL players produced in that time.

Here's the $64 question: does he believe that he will be able to capitalize enough from that disparity at "State U" than he did from CT prospects along with our better ability to attract the MA players and the rest of New England (players like Todman, Reyes, etc.)? I guess he'll find out in a couple of years....if we don't get him fired after this week!!

In the immortal words of CoachCap, "Let's hang 60 on 'em!!"

 

[pj]

The Edsall era:

Maryland 31

CT 16

Maybe he felt he couldn't recruit Connecticut. Does no good to be coach in an area that produces NFL players if you can't recruit them. Perhaps he thought he would recruit Maryland as the UMd coach better than Connecticut as the UConn coach, at least until they got to know him ...

Maryland produced 43 D-I signees in 2012. As far as individual schools, according to MaxPreps http://www.maxpreps.com/signingday/...=MD&ssid=f28cd02d-9746-48e9-a74b-fffef375b19a last year Our Lady of Good Counsel (Olney, MD) produced 6 D-I recruits and DeMatha (Hyattsville MD) and Gilman (Baltimore) produced 4 D-I recruits and Calvert Hall (Baltimore) and Dunbar (Baltimore) each produced 3. Maryland got 4 of the Our Lady of Good Counsel players. So almost half of D-I recruits in the state of Maryland came from 5 powerhouse schools.Washington DC produced another 12 recruits, 3 from Woodson and 2 each from Archbishop Carroll and Coolidge.

Connecticut produced 9 D-I signees, no school had more than 1. http://www.maxpreps.com/signingday/...=CT&ssid=f28cd02d-9746-48e9-a74b-fffef375b19a

NFL players go proportionate to population because genetics dominate. D-I signees are more influenced by football culture.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

Randy's thoughts on the Connecticut game? "Run right, run left, run up the middle. Execute. Defend against the run right,run left and run up the middle. Execute."

 

[HuskyDogArt]

The problem anyone coaching UConn and trying to recruit CT kids is that there simply isn't a very big pool to pick from. I mean look at this state. There are counties in other states bigger than CT. LOL there's probably a couple ranches out west bigger than CT. Then add the fact that there are a lot of people in this state leary about football related injuries and whether they want their sons playing the sport in the first place and...... school systems looking at soccer as a less expensive alternative. Look at Suffield. For a while they had a combined team with Windsor Locks and I'm not even sure they have that any more. I'm not saying that there isn't legit Div 1 talent in the state, I'm just saying states like VA are bigger and have more kids playing football so they obviously have a bigger pool of players.

Now Randy could have done a better job reaching out to the high school coaches around here and obviously anyone coaching UConn has to see that it's got to be a regional thing because of the size of the recruiting pool you have. I give credit to Edsall for sticking it out for 10 years while UConn made the transition to BCS but he killed that credibility in the way he left and I won't let go of that. That was a real bush league move and he has to be held accountable. After UConn pounds them up here next year I'll let it rest.

Of course, in FL even the smallest high schools are bigger than most of the high schools in CT. Heck even the elementary schools in Hillsborough county (Tampa, FL) are bigger then the high schools in CT. Ok, Plant High (in Tampa) might be a nationally ranked high school in FB, but in a SCIENCE BOWL game... RHAM could beat them.

 

[HuskyDogArt]

I don't doubt some of the high schools down there turn out a high number of D-1 athletes. Baltimore's Gilman HS just beat Don Bosco Prep - the same Bosco that just waxed Greenwich in a scrimmage 42-7. This years Bosco squad has 8 players I believe who have D-1 offers. Who knows what Gilman has. DeMatha HS is routinely ranked in the top 25 nationally. CT schools rarely get a sniff in regional rankings. I don't take offense at the comment. It is what it is.

Remember, some of the states that are 'FB states' do not have LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS. HILLSBOROUGH SCHOOL DISTRICT (Tampa, FL) is about 1/2 the size of CT. If you think that a school district of 18 sq mi (for instance the town of East Hartford) could compete with a school from HILLSBOROUGH SCHOOL DISTRICT (like Armwood High, who is on probation for illegally moving people into the area for FOOTBALL), it is no contest. If EHHS played ARMWOOD (usually nationally ranked, but they lost their first game of the season since 1992), AHS could play the JV team against EHHS varsity and AHS would win.

comparing FB in CT to MD or FL (or TX) is comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

comparing FB in CT to MD or FL (or TX) is comparing apples to oranges

TCU recruits Texas
USF recruits Fla and JC
Utah is KState of the Rockies, Mostly CA JCs and non JCs
Louisville and Boise State you can be a bivalve and go there but...
Louisville recruits GA and Fla hard and JCs
Boise State recruited CA and is getting Texas kids now too.
All these schools recruit in goldmines

Randy could not recruit into one that was in his backyard (New Jersey)
At UMD he doesnt have to

 

[huskysupporter]

Randy's thoughts on the Connecticut game? "Run right, run left, run up the middle. Execute. Defend against the run right,run left and run up the middle. Execute."

. . . And ride that system to two BE championships.

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[SAMCRO]

. . . And ride that system to two BE championships.

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Shhhh. We sucked those years, remember.