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Early Coaching Hotseat Edition

Vowelguy said:
Circling back to this ….

  • Rutgers
  • PennSt
  • Purdue
  • Northwestern
  • Texas A&M
  • Florida?
  • UCF

Im gonna say no on BC and Pitt — I don’t think either care enough/don’t want to pay a buyout to get rid of someone before their contract is up
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Normally contract status is the main factor in any move but with the SEC and Big Ten money, there is a new paradigm for them. For the ACC and other conferences, when the current contract expires and/or the contract buy out will still factor in the decision.

So from the top-
Rutgers with Coquese Washington who, at best did a poor job at PSU, signed a 6 year contract in April 2022 for $4.65 mil. She is making in excess of $750K per year until April 2028. Rutgers will give her one more year AFTER this year until April 2027.

Penn State-Carolyn Kieger has been an abject failure at PSU following Coquese Washington and her contract is set to expire in April 2026. She will be let go

Purdue-there are some on this forum who think that Purdue is actually getting better under Katie Gearlds but I am NOT one of them. I believe her contract is through April 2028 and the best I can muster in her support is she will not be one of the worst 3 programs in the Big 10, which is currently occupied by Rutgers, PSU and the next team on this list-Northwestern. Purdue will give her one more year at least.

Northwestern but a very bad "sentimental reason" decided to let Joe McKeown "Uncle Joe" have one more year to try and end on a positive note before he retired. That was a huge mistake....this team is terrible and they should have pulled the plug last year.

Texas A&M realizes how badly they overpaid Joni Taylor and what horrible job she has done, however her contract is through 2028 so while I do think they should cut their losses after this year, I can see them giving her one more year until 2027.

Florida-Kelly Rae Finley has a contract that expires in April 2027 and while she has not been great by any stretch, I don't see Florida getting rid of her.

UCF-Sytia Messer is making $700K per year with her contract until April 2027. As this is year 3 in the new conference affiliation, she is showing signs of minor improvement so I do not think they get rid of her.

BC-Joanna Bernabei-McNamee is in the last year of her contract and NOTHING is showing any improvement to warrant another year. Whether anyone thinks BC cares enough becomes moot as her contract expires and BC will bring in another coach.
 
Some of these contacts are insane… unfortunately some schools are stuck in dire situations until the clock runs out
 
I wonder if Northwestern will have any interest in Berube? Her time at Princeton gives her experience with the academically minded athletes that NWern recruits.
 
Big game today for Katie Gearlds. Purdue is at home against in-state rival Indiana, the first of 2 meetings this season. Purdue has lost 13 in a row in the series. IU is 0-8 in conference. Purdue is currently 2-6 in conference. Gearlds really needs to beat IU if she wants to try to hang on to her job at season’s end.
 
Vowelguy said:
I wonder if Northwestern will have any interest in Berube? Her time at Princeton gives her experience with the academically minded athletes that NWern recruits.
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Northwestern may have interest, but I'm not sure that Berube would think that she can build a sustainable program there - but I could be wrong.

If I'm Berube, I stay at Princeton until something like Stanford, Duke, North Carolina, Washington, or Vanderbilt open up.
 
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Lorcan said:
Northwestern may have interest, but I'm not sure that Berube would think that she can build a sustainable program there - but I could be wrong.

If I'm Berube, I stay at Princeton until something like Stanford, Duke, North Carolina, Washington, or Vanderbilt open up.
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Not sure UNC is going to want another Princeton coach 😁

How is Washington in the same category as the others?

Duke and Vandy jobs aint opening anytime soon.

Princeton is a good job and she absolutely could stay there the rest of her career. Question is if she wants to give the big time a shot and/or be in contention for UConn job.
 
BigTenGuy said:
Big game today for Katie Gearlds. Purdue is at home against in-state rival Indiana, the first of 2 meetings this season. Purdue has lost 13 in a row in the series. IU is 0-8 in conference. Purdue is currently 2-6 in conference. Gearlds really needs to beat IU if she wants to try to hang on to her job at season’s end.
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Well, Gearlds got the needed win. Is Indiana the worst team in the B1G this year?
 
triaddukefan said:
Not sure how I should react to this 🤔🤔
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Maybe I missed something. I thought some shade was being thrown at UW's academic reputation. I didn't think UNC was an academic titan, especially with that little scandal that doesn't look very good.

I'm especially confused if you are somehow sticking up for UNC. You of all people?
 
nwhoopfan said:
Well, Gearlds got the needed win. Is Indiana the worst team in the B1G this year?
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How dare you be dissing PennSt.

Mark yo calendars for epic seasonal finale showdown: Nittanies vs Hoosiers on 2/28
 
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nwhoopfan said:
Maybe I missed something. I thought some shade was being thrown at UW's academic reputation. I didn't think UNC was an academic titan, especially with that little scandal that doesn't look very good.
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Been out of the game for awhile but when I think of academic publics, I think of UVa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Cal, UCLA, & UNC.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Maybe I missed something. I thought some shade was being thrown at UW's academic reputation. I didn't think UNC was an academic titan, especially with that little scandal that doesn't look very good.

I'm especially confused if you are somehow sticking up for UNC. You of all people?
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I was guessing that Washington isn't a perennial NCAA tournament team, unlike the others.
 
triaddukefan said:
I was guessing that Washington isn't a perennial NCAA tournament team, unlike the others.
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Doh.

Although Vandy and perennial doesn't exactly go in the same sentence. I mean they were, but Balcomb nose dived at the end and then Stephanie White happened. Ralph has them back on track. They did miss the Tourney 8 years in a row.

Washington was close to perennial, til some assistant from Duke came and ruined things. Just when it was getting good again, then we got hit with Jody Wynn.

Hey Sylvia Hatchell missed the Tourney 9 times during her career.

Duke had some lean years before Goestenkors got it rolling.


Yeah, Washington really isn't as far behind those others in Tourney appearances as you think. Except for Stanford, but they clearly stand above all the others mentioned.
 
DefenseBB said:
No. Rutgers,Northwestern and PSU are atrociously bad
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Well Northwestern is 2 up in the wins department on Indiana. At some point records actually matter, and not just who we all think is better or worse. I know unbalanced schedules can mess with standings at this juncture of the season.
 
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It’s a shame because Shay Ciezki is having an absurdly great year for Indiana. Safety above 50-40-90 at 24ppg. Really incredible stuff. Unfortunately they’re still awful.
 
GoChips20 said:
It’s a shame because Shay Ciezki is having an absurdly great year for Indiana. Safety above 50-40-90 at 24ppg. Really incredible stuff. Unfortunately they’re still awful.
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She still can't defend and isn't really a PG, so her shortcomings factor heavily into their lack of success this season.
 
Sam Purcell is really interesting to me. You look at what Mark Campbell has done since leaving Oregon…just hasn’t translated for Purcell. He hasn’t done a bad job, but I can’t really recall a big win they’ve had since he got there.
 
Well, I spoke too soon. They just beat #7 UK a week ago. Still not super confident they’re on the track for greatness though.
 
GoChips20 said:
Sam Purcell is really interesting to me. You look at what Mark Campbell has done since leaving Oregon…just hasn’t translated for Purcell. He hasn’t done a bad job, but I can’t really recall a big win they’ve had since he got there.
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LSU after the Hailey Van Lith disasterclass performance 2 seasons ago

Outside of that….. solid recruiter but results haven’t been the best
 
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I wonder why Geralds is being listed in the same category as Joni Taylor and Kieger. Kieger has to be gone after this year. Texas A&M may let Taylor have one more year (though they shouldn't) mostly due to the money still owed. Katie Geralds deserves some "warning" as she has not delivered even a respectable showing but I would still think they give her one more year. BC coach absolutely should be fired after this year. Though is it really a "firing" if your contract expires and it is not extended? Anyway, I am not sure about Kellie Rae Finley either. My gut says she gets one more year, though I don't think it will help. Gebbia is definitely on the warm seat and may get another year.

Ivey is NOT in danger, she should be, but she isn't. I find it curious that NO Big East programs are listed. Where is @Plebe to give us his dissertation on the litany of failure the bulk of that conference has as coaches....

To me, Coquese Washington should also be listed as she's been a failure AGAIN but this time at Rutgers.

What is utterly frustrating to me is that Krista Gurlich played absolute patsies for her OOC and has been heralded as a savior now simply because the Big 12 is mediocre at best and she has had the soft part of that schedule to keep winning. Plus her $3 million and then some in NIL money has helped but to me, she is still not a good coach.

Is it really too early to tell for Pitt's Tory Verdi, I have seen enough to know he's not the answer but he too, will get another year.

I also wonder how much time Kate Paye will get at Stanford as while she's not having a terrible year, she has gotten recruits but seems to be underperforming and not really doing a good job in actual game coaching (at least not in the 6 games I have seen). She's on the bubble this year for the NCAAT and missed it last year. This is not a good look for one of the top 5 storied WCBB programs.

I think we all are taking glee at the woefulness that Adia Barnes is having at SMU in year one so let's hope we keep her name near this thread in the coming seasons.

My top listing of coaches that will be that should be worried:
1. Joanne Bernebei-McNamee-Boston College (100% she will not be back)
2. Carolyn Kieger-PSU (99% she will not be back)
3. Joni Taylor-Texas A&M in year 4 of her deal and it has been an abject failure (60% she will be let go).
4. Coquese Washington-Rutgers also in year 4 and she too has been terrible (50% she will be let go).
5. Megan Gebbia-Wake Forest also in year 4 with terrible results (40% she will be let go).
6. Kellie Rae Finley-Florida in Year 5 but at least she's made the post season in her first 4 seasons albeit with 4 straight years of declining results (25% she will be let go.
7. Tory Verdi-Pitt in Year 3 but I see NO sign of ANY improvement. I must say, I did question this hire when it occurred so maybe my irritation is lingering (10% chance).
8. Brandon Schneider-Kansas who remarkably is in YEAR 11 and is a pitiful 3-7 in a mediocre conference after stating he was going to have a great recruiting class to contend. He makes Houdini look like an amateur (5% chance).

It is curious to see how long some schools tolerate failure and keep giving opportunities added years despite the results. Kudos for ASU on moving on from Natasha Adair after just 3 seasons as they could see it was not working and they did seem to get it right with Molly Miller. Why BC and PSU kept their coaches or why Northwestern has let Joe McKeown have one last hurrah was bizarre.

There are some wonderful coaches out there who have done well at mid-majors who will get P4 opportunities like Carly Thibault-Dudonis from Fairfield or Tammi Reese from Rhode Island to name two who seem to be consistent year in and year out. Maybe we want to start a thread about the "Promotion Seat" to keep it positive.
 
DefenseBB said:
I wonder why Geralds is being listed in the same category as Joni Taylor and Kieger. Kieger has to be gone after this year. Texas A&M may let Taylor have one more year (though they shouldn't) mostly due to the money still owed. Katie Geralds deserves some "warning" as she has not delivered even a respectable showing but I would still think they give her one more year. BC coach absolutely should be fired after this year. Though is it really a "firing" if your contract expires and it is not extended? Anyway, I am not sure about Kellie Rae Finley either. My gut says she gets one more year, though I don't think it will help. Gebbia is definitely on the warm seat and may get another year.

Ivey is NOT in danger, she should be, but she isn't. I find it curious that NO Big East programs are listed. Where is @Plebe to give us his dissertation on the litany of failure the bulk of that conference has as coaches....

To me, Coquese Washington should also be listed as she's been a failure AGAIN but this time at Rutgers.

What is utterly frustrating to me is that Krista Gurlich played absolute patsies for her OOC and has been heralded as a savior now simply because the Big 12 is mediocre at best and she has had the soft part of that schedule to keep winning. Plus her $3 million and then some in NIL money has helped but to me, she is still not a good coach.

Is it really too early to tell for Pitt's Tory Verdi, I have seen enough to know he's not the answer but he too, will get another year.

I also wonder how much time Kate Paye will get at Stanford as while she's not having a terrible year, she has gotten recruits but seems to be underperforming and not really doing a good job in actual game coaching (at least not in the 6 games I have seen). She's on the bubble this year for the NCAAT and missed it last year. This is not a good look for one of the top 5 storied WCBB programs.

I think we all are taking glee at the woefulness that Adia Barnes is having at SMU in year one so let's hope we keep her name near this thread in the coming seasons.

My top listing of coaches that will be that should be worried:
1. Joanne Bernebei-McNamee-Boston College (100% she will not be back)
2. Carolyn Kieger-PSU (99% she will not be back)
3. Joni Taylor-Texas A&M in year 4 of her deal and it has been an abject failure (60% she will be let go).
4. Coquese Washington-Rutgers also in year 4 and she too has been terrible (50% she will be let go).
5. Megan Gebbia-Wake Forest also in year 4 with terrible results (40% she will be let go).
6. Kellie Rae Finley-Florida in Year 5 but at least she's made the post season in her first 4 seasons albeit with 4 straight years of declining results (25% she will be let go.
7. Tory Verdi-Pitt in Year 3 but I see NO sign of ANY improvement. I must say, I did question this hire when it occurred so maybe my irritation is lingering (10% chance).
8. Brandon Schneider-Kansas who remarkably is in YEAR 11 and is a pitiful 3-7 in a mediocre conference after stating he was going to have a great recruiting class to contend. He makes Houdini look like an amateur (5% chance).

It is curious to see how long some schools tolerate failure and keep giving opportunities added years despite the results. Kudos for ASU on moving on from Natasha Adair after just 3 seasons as they could see it was not working and they did seem to get it right with Molly Miller. Why BC and PSU kept their coaches or why Northwestern has let Joe McKeown have one last hurrah was bizarre.

There are some wonderful coaches out there who have done well at mid-majors who will get P4 opportunities like Carly Thibault-Dudonis from Fairfield or Tammi Reese from Rhode Island to name two who seem to be consistent year in and year out. Maybe we want to start a thread about the "Promotion Seat" to keep it positive.
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With the recent news about the deficit situation for the athletics department at Rutgers, it will be interesting to see if Washington is let go. Can Rutgers find the money to hire a better coach while in the hole by over $20 million is the question for me.
 
Can’t imagine why Tennessee would want to watch much more of the Kim Caldwell show.
 
Vowelguy said:
Yeah being the only team to lead UConn in the 2nd half this year; what a disaster.
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What was the final score? They've been thumped by every good team they've played this year. I think it's too early, but I also have my doubts her tenure will ultimately be any different than Warlick or Harper.
 
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