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pap49cba said:
I agree with Ice on this one. From what I've seen of ND this year they are moving and sharing the ball much better without having to defer to SD. They are a really good offensive team. Loyd and McBride are the players that have to be shut down. I'm not overly concerned about Achonwa.

BTW, as DD has been saying, ND basically played a 7 player rotation today so forget all the talk about how 'deep' their bench is.
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The played 7 but very little balanced scoring today or most games.

Two starters don't score much in Allen and Braker.
 
Phil said:
I don't think ND gets the overall top seed, but other than locker room fodder, what difference would it make? With no S-curve, it won't affect the placement of the 2 seeds. With ND hosting, it won't affect the regional for UConn. Maybe, if they push balance over geography, it might affect one of the lower seed placements, but if we have to worry about that... enough said.
I guess it could affect whether UConn or ND gets what is perceived to be the 3rd versus 4th overall seed, so there's that.
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I don't know about locker room fodder, but message board fodder? Yep.
 
elzorrogris said:
At what point in the game was Jones injured?
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Think around the 10-11 minute mark..... Duke had cut the lead down to 7 and had made it competitive

pap49cba said:
I know it's early but any news on Jones? I am hoping for the best. I hate this stuff. Knees....
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Coach said the early diagnosis was a sprain..... but they always say that right after the game. I fear the worse.
 
doggydaddy said:
Ok. Sorry.

My bad.

The look to me to be dominated by three players. I'm not sure how that is different than last year. Allen is a good player but still a freshman point guard. Braker is still bothered by her knee. Mabrey has improved and certainly can hit the 3 pointer. Reimer has really struggled lately. Good against smaller teams, but big teams give her trouble.

Maybe as good, but I don't believe they are better.

We'll find out as the season progresses. They are really good. I don't want to minimize that.
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I think the difference in ND's offense is the further emergence of Loyd, who is an outstanding athlete and does some amazing things
And their use of Achonwa which I mentioned earlier in a different thread …really quick on pick and rolls. gets a lot of easy 2's
Today she was in foul trouble and didn't contribute as much as usual.
Marbrey needs to be guarded. If someone's really on her, she is much less effective.
I think our 4 has enough and with half of KML's usual scoring it's a decisive, though not necessarily easy win.
 
Phil said:
I don't think ND gets the overall top seed, but other than locker room fodder, what difference would it make? With no S-curve, it won't affect the placement of the 2 seeds. With ND hosting, it won't affect the regional for UConn. Maybe, if they push balance over geography, it might affect one of the lower seed placements, but if we have to worry about that... enough said.

I guess it could affect whether UConn or ND gets what is perceived to be the 3rd versus 4th overall seed, so there's that.
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It doesn't affect this year much as you said maybe a number 4 seed. But maybe another year it would if we were instead number 2/3 or 4 or even 5 in the country. And we get stuck playing a team we don't match up near as well with.

Secodnly, isn't it bothersome that some announcers on national tv can be so dumb?
 
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Only saw the 2nd half but where I think we may have an advantage over ND is on defense. Duke was scoring like hot cakes to start the 2nd half before their guard went down. Maryland also was scoring at will against them when I saw them. ND is very good offensively but I don't see them digging in for stops often.
 
I was surprised at how easily Williams was beating ND down the floor on fast breaks - I do not remember Duke getting out on Uconn at all on fast breaks off rebounds.
 
If you want to compare UConn vs ND why not compare common opponents?

Penn St. UC +19, ND +10
Md, UC +17, ND +4
Duke, UC +22, ND +16 (avg)

That would be advantage UConn by 9, 13 and 6 respectively. Penn St and Md were without KML. Duke was with KML but in ND's case Duke was without Gray. So essentially without KML we outperformed ND by 10 pts a game.
 
hoophuskee said:
Secodnly, isn't it bothersome that some announcers on national tv can be so dumb?
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I see it a little differently. Saying that UConn is #1 doesn't sell papers (metaphorically). So my guess is someone asked research to put together a case that ND is number one. To their surprise, it wasn't laughable, so they decide to run with it, because it would create conversation.
 
Suebird10fan said:
If you want to compare UConn vs ND why not compare common opponents?

Penn St. UC +19, ND +10
Md, UC +17, ND +4
Duke, UC +22, ND +16 (avg)

That would be advantage UConn by 9, 13 and 6 respectively. Penn St and Md were without KML. Duke was with KML but in ND's case Duke was without Gray. So essentially without KML we outperformed ND by 10 pts a game.
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Lest there be any ambiguity, I think the idea that ND should be the overall #1 seed is ludicrous.
 
Is it my imagination or is Duke on the wrong side of a beat down nearly every time they're in a big game?
 
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Fishy said:
Is it my imagination or is Duke on the wrong side of a beat down nearly every time they're in a big game?
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<----------- take a look at the pic to the left :oops:

Of course as a Duke fan its frustrating to see my team go down in flames again.... but to make matters even worse.... all these games are nationally televised ones with alot of pregame hype and build-up :( It wouldnt be quite as bad if only the fans in the stands saw the game... or even if the games were just broadcast on goduke.com for us subscribers to view. But no.... national ESPN audiences......... audiences that include co-workers who are UNC fans who always text me in the middle or soon after such embarrassing losses.
 
Fishy said:
Is it my imagination or is Duke on the wrong side of a beat down nearly every time they're in a big game?
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You're somewhat correct. There have been a bunch, particularly this year. Though they might have come back and made it tight today had Jones not gone out with an injury at about the 8 minute mark.
 
Phil said:
I see it a little differently. Saying that UConn is #1 doesn't sell papers (metaphorically). So my guess is someone asked research to put together a case that ND is number one. To their surprise, it wasn't laughable, so they decide to run with it, because it would create conversation.
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Okay we can agree to disagree. There are times when one loses big time credibility just because they want to stir up some controversy. For example last year or year before John Salley came out with comments- he said Jordan wasn't greatest ever. That statement is fine. But then he started saying / implying Jordan was no greater than . . . he rattled off some names and one name was Kevin McHale that stuck in my mind. Forever, you could never take him seriously.

The women's game suffers from not enough fans. Primarily men follow men's game much more. Many of my buddies that are fans of men's hoop/nba too, they will be nice and ask me about the women. In my opinion, they look at the game as inferior. And when they look at things thatway, imo they look at other things within the women's game as well. And they don't live under a rock. But if they were too ever hear an announcer claim ND should be number 1 seed, they'd further scoff at the "incompetence" of it all. And some of them are much bigger gamblers than I, if they'd see UCONN as a dog, if both were undefeated and no further injuries, they'd lay quite a bit of cash on the Huskies. And they barely follow the game. Yet in our game, we have annoucners spewing something that is just wrong - and most of the popualtion knows it. Nothing good comes of that.

Top 50 - men vs women is light years different. IMO to bring it up - top 50- it's insulting to me. UCONN and ND and are on a much "higher plane" than to count a team that is about 42 vs a team that is about 70- and pretend they are "different" in a way that matters when comparing these two great teams.
 
pap49cba said:
McCallie: "We just didn't have anyone who had the guts to step up and defend #21. Or #11 or #32." :)

(Just to be crystal clear, this is a joke, not an actual quote.)
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Actually..... i watched the interview.... and she actually mentioned McBride and Loyd by name...:eek: She was very complimentary....
 
triaddukefan said:
Actually..... i watched the interview.... and she actually mentioned McBride and Loyd by name...:eek: She was very complimentary....
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I guess Muffet's zinger after the first game hit the target. :)
 
Although Duke lost by double digits to another top two team AGAIN. There were some positives of the game, like continuing to fight back and play with intensity and also getting big minutes from Amber Henson in a big game. Let's just pray alexis jones isn't seriously injured and our season is still alive.
 
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Probably learned a lesson from last time. She works at Duke she must be educable.
 
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