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McCallie: "We just didn't have anyone who had the guts to step up and defend #21. Or #11 or #32." :)

(Just to be crystal clear, this is a joke, not an actual quote.)
 
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I guess all the talk this week about ND being an overall number 1 after almost blowing their big lead at home and they Grey goes down and yeah maybe if Grey doesn't get hurt Duke makes a game of it. ND is not the team they were last season. My top 3 in order . UConn ND and Louisville The 4th number 1 seed could be anybody. BTW it would be a crime to put UConn in LVille. UConn to Lincoln or your going to cut out a couple of top seeds who should be in the FF.
 
Coach McCallie has her faults, but she has also had rotten luck.
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j66kicker said:
ND burying a few more bodies today..

Announcer said she thinks ND should get the overall #1 seed because they've beaten 12 top 50 RPI teams vs 6 for UCONN.
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When the announcer is from ESPN and refers to worthless RPI stats, you know they are way out of their field. Sagarin, BTW, has ND and UConn almost even against the top 50 at 11-0 and 10-0, but UConn still has the advantage in the more important top 10 at 5-0 vs. 4-0.
 
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Tonyc said:
I guess all the talk this week about ND being an overall number 1 after almost blowing their big lead at home and they Grey goes down and yeah maybe if Grey doesn't get hurt Duke makes a game of it. ND is not the team they were last season. My top 3 in order . UConn ND and Louisville The 4th number 1 seed could be anybody. BTW it would be a crime to put UConn in LVille. UConn to Lincoln or your going to cut out a couple of top seeds who should be in the FF.
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They are better than last season.
 
Tonyc said:
I guess all the talk this week about ND being an overall number 1 after almost blowing their big lead at home and they Grey goes down and yeah maybe if Grey doesn't get hurt Duke makes a game of it. ND is not the team they were last season. My top 3 in order . UConn ND and Louisville The 4th number 1 seed could be anybody. BTW it would be a crime to put UConn in LVille. UConn to Lincoln or your going to cut out a couple of top seeds who should be in the FF.
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It's Gray, not Grey.

And she was done for the year way before this game.

Jones was the one that got hurt today.

Tony, it's not difficult to get these details right. It makes your post tough to appreciate when you get these things wrong.
 
easttexastrash said:
Haven't they had multiple top 5 recruiting classes?
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In my opinion there is a huge difference in losing a 2 time All-American Senior PG and any other positional player. Even more now that there are no PG's left on the roster.
 
triaddukefan said:
In my opinion there is a huge difference in losing a 2 time All-American Senior PG and any other positional player. Even more now that there are no PG's left on the roster.
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I know it's early but any news on Jones? I am hoping for the best. I hate this stuff. Knees....
 
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Icebear said:
They are better than last season.
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Ive seen both UCONN and ND in person this season. UCONN is definitely the superior team in my opinion.... but ND is without a doubt the second best team in the country by a wide margin. ND doesnt have the inside strength and shot blockers to handle UCONN inside. Get #11 in foul trouble.. and they have no answer at all.
 
Icebear said:
They are better than last season.
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Who? ND?

Why state that as fact? I don't believe that to be true.

You are certainly welcome to your opinion, but ND being better this is debatable.
 
doggydaddy said:
It's Gray, not Grey.

And she was done for the year way before this game.

Jones was the one that got hurt today.

Tony, it's not difficult to get these details right. It makes your post tough to appreciate when you get these things wrong.
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The announcer mentioned someone leaving the game. I was at work and wasn't following closely. I thought they said Gray and I thought wasn't she hurt and out for the season. My mistake.
 
doggydaddy said:
Who? ND?

Why state that as fact? I don't believe that to be true.

You are certainly welcome to your opinion, but ND being better this is debatable.
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I didn't say it wasn't debatable but to my eye watching them they are better this year. Of course it was my opinion. They are much more balanced on the court and share the ball much better. They are very good at finding the seams. They keep their spacing better with better shooting in the games I've seen.
 
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Tonyc said:
The announcer mentioned someone leaving the game. I was at work and wasn't following closely. I thought they said Gray and I thought wasn't she hurt and out for the season. My mistake.
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Yes, Gray has been out for weeks breaking her knee cap. It was Alexis Jones the replacement PG. Liston was forced into play at the point. I will be surprised if it isn't an ACL. But I've been surprised before.
 
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I agree with Ice on this one. From what I've seen of ND this year they are moving and sharing the ball much better without having to defer to SD. They are a really good offensive team. Loyd and McBride are the players that have to be shut down. I'm not overly concerned about Achonwa.

BTW, as DD has been saying, ND basically played a 7 player rotation today so forget all the talk about how 'deep' their bench is.
 
HuskyFan1125 said:
Before ESPN put the graphic up I thought UCONN would be the overall #1 seed, after the graphic, not so much. Seeing it on the screen was pretty interesting. I am ok with ND being the overall #1 seed.

as far as NPOY, I am going with Ogwumike. I dont like Sims attitude when things arent going her way just my opinion and she takes 30 shots a game to get 30 points.
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These stats are through 27 games. Gives a good overview of the impact each player has on her team.

PPG
Odyssey 29.6
Chiney 26.5

Shooting %
Odyssey: 46% (add the extra points earned on 3-shots and OS is effectively at 53%)
Chiney: 62.9% (add the extra points earned on 3-point shots and CO is effectively 63.0%)

RPG
Odssey 4.07: Baylor is shooting 44% for the year so each rebound would equate to an extra 3.58 PPG
Chiney 12: Stanford is shooting 48% for the year so each rebound would equate to an extra 11.59 PPG

APG
Odyssey 4.74: 9.48 PPG, based on two-point shooting
Chiney 1.6: 3.2 PPG, based on two point shooting

SPG
Odyssey 1.96
Chiney 1.26

FTMPG
Odyssey 6.37
Chiney 3.81

FT%
Odyssey: 81%
Chiney: 71%

FTAPG
Odyssey 7.81
Chiney 5.37

3-pointers made
Odyssey 83 (44.1%)
Chiney 2 (negligible at 22.2%)

Blocks
Odyssey 3 (negligible at .11 BPG)
Chiney 46 (since Stanford opponents are shooting 35% for the year that would equate to 1.19 PPG)

Fouls PG
Odyssey 2.04
Chiney 2.30

Minutes Per Game
Odyssey 32.4
Chiney 32.8
 
I still maintain ND's 'weakness' is defense. Duke put up 70 pts. AT ND whereas they only scored 61 pts. AT HOME against UConn. Oh, and Chelsea Grey had 13 of those points in the UConn game and obviously didn't play today against ND.
 
The "eye test" tells you that UCONN is the best team in the country. You can compare stats and situations 'til the cows come home, but UCONN's first four players (not including KML at this point) are a cut above. With KML you can change the "four" to "five."
 
Tough for Duke - they did fight back impressively after a really ugly start. And Jones does look like a pretty good player.

As for either the NCAA or any announcer using RPI as a measure of a team's quality - all you have to do is looking at the rankings to realize how completely meaningless that is:
#5 = LSU currently an impressive 7-7 in the SEC
#9 = Purdue currently 10-5 in an unforgettable Big10
#13 = St Joseph's a truly impressive 9-5 in that killer A10
I have no idea if it has any meaning in men's basketball as I don't actually follow them, but I am not sure you could come up with a wackier rating system for women's basketball - Dayton at 12-1 in the A10 is rated as #21, St. Bonny's at 10-4 is at #57, and George Washington at 10-4 is at #100. Please someone explain how St. Josephs is therefore #13? And why I should care that a top ten team beat St Joseph's rather than say Rutgers (#53) or St. Bonny's (#57) or Ohio State (#55)
 
Icebear said:
I didn't say it wasn't debatable but to my eye watching them they are better this year. Of course it was my opinion. They are much more balanced on the court and share the ball much better. They are very good at finding the seams. They keep their spacing better with better shooting in the games I've seen.
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Ok. Sorry.

My bad.

The look to me to be dominated by three players. I'm not sure how that is different than last year. Allen is a good player but still a freshman point guard. Braker is still bothered by her knee. Mabrey has improved and certainly can hit the 3 pointer. Reimer has really struggled lately. Good against smaller teams, but big teams give her trouble.

Maybe as good, but I don't believe they are better.

We'll find out as the season progresses. They are really good. I don't want to minimize that.
 
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At what point in the game was Jones injured?
 
pap49cba said:
I still maintain ND's 'weakness' is defense. Duke put up 70 pts. AT ND whereas they only scored 61 pts. AT HOME against UConn. Oh, and Chelsea Grey had 13 of those points in the UConn game and obviously didn't play today against ND.
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I agree. ND defense appears to be good but not great.
 
Their defense is absolutely their Achilles heel. Defense, however, can be made to look good by a team that is cold from the floor.
 
triaddukefan said:
Three point guards injured..... only 2 healthy scholarship guards left on the roster. :( What an awful season..... at least I have Duke Football to look forward to
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A couple of years ago, who thought you'd be saying that!

They may have dropped from a national semifinal loser to a Sweet 16 loser.
 
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  • Notre Dame with 20+ assists
Well, they had 23 on 31 shots. :rolleyes:
 
I don't think ND gets the overall top seed, but other than locker room fodder, what difference would it make? With no S-curve, it won't affect the placement of the 2 seeds. With ND hosting, it won't affect the regional for UConn. Maybe, if they push balance over geography, it might affect one of the lower seed placements, but if we have to worry about that... enough said.

I guess it could affect whether UConn or ND gets what is perceived to be the 3rd versus 4th overall seed, so there's that.
 
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