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And if they can't shoot /t's much better than what they've shown at UCONN and Ohio State, then you can't trust dumping the ball down low to them to score in close big games either unless they have a wide open layup.

A 50% f't shooter is not good enough to trust to score in tight, close, big games. Even if Dorka has the terrific skill/ability-- a very good defensive team in a tight game will not allow her to beat them with low post moves if she can't prove she can hit free throws. It doesn't matter that she has the skill - very good coaching from a very good defensive team in a tight game will more-than-likely will foul her (and some fouls will go uncalled.). thus reducing her effective fg% from normal to drastically worse.
So then I guess Liv can't be trusted in the same type situations. It is a big hope that both Dorka and Liv improve on FT's. Even the elite teams have weaknesses, if our weakness is free throw shooting by our 2 bigs we will survive, and thrive.
 
So then I guess Liv can't be trusted in the same type situations. It is a big hope that both Dorka and Liv improve on FT's. Even the elite teams have weaknesses, if our weakness is free throw shooting by our 2 bigs we will survive, and thrive.
And every time they get to the line, the closer a competitor comes to sitting.
 
While there is great anticipation for any transfer to the program, we should all be cautious in our expectations relative to Dorka. She has to get comfortable in UConn’s system. Even for a smart, experienced player, that can be a challenge. Hopefully Dorka can also regain her 3-pt shooting touch from two seasons ago, after a significant decline last season.

Personally, I will be very pleased if Dorka provides solid minutes off the bench backing up Liv. Anything more than that will be icing on the cake.
Expect a boat load of icing, what's your favorite?
 
I apologize for knowing nothing about basketball.
But if you don’t believe that the size upgrade on the UCONN front line will result in greater competition for rebounds and therefore more fouling, I’m sorry.
“Dumping the ball inside” is not a proposition that I suggested.
More size=more competition for rebounds=more contact = more foul calls.
(On both ends of the floor)

Who says you know nothing about basketball? Because we have a disagreement you are assuming that I think you know nothing about basketball? Please don't think that. I was hoping these are friendly arguments. Please if I suggested you know nothing or little or anything near that no way in hell. Hell I could be way way way way wrong.

For anyone reading my posts I am arguing in friendly terms - please don't ever take it any other way. It was my post that Charlie- who replied with class as he always does - we seemed to differ. I was just defending my post- with no malicious intent. Just having fun. I apologize if I offended? Not my intent.

In regards to dumping it in the post- that's what started the argument with Charlie and I and the 1st post you replied to me I had a made a statement -- "And if they can't shoot f/t's much better than what they've shown at UCONN and Ohio State, then you can't trust dumping the ball down low to them to score in close big games either unless they have a wide open layup." - You replied to this along with other comments that I made. So I see now if that wasn't your point and it was the other -- okay. But my comment was included in your reply that's why I thought as I did.

Anyway, I don't know about the italics. I was just focused on "dumping the ball down low to Dorka" comments that charlie made and I thought you jumped in with agreement because that was part of my post you replied to.

Got to run. You are an excellent poster.
 
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We have bear our gums nearly to death on this subject, I suggest the following.
!. Geno is loyal to his players, Liv has started 3 years even if Dorka turns out to have the same talent or is a slightly better player Liv will start.
2. While Liv starts if Dorka is better, Dorka plays significant minutes.
3. During the regular season there will probably be only 2 teams where our above debate even matters, the Gcocks and the big trees. In those games I can see where it may be necessary to have our three bigs in the game at times.
4. I would like to see Liv and Dorka play full tilt 100% of the time, if so 20 minutes give or take a few minutes for both would float my boat.
5. Against both teams mentioned in point 4 it may well come down to, Does our guard play dictate game tempo and style our do one or both teams try and smother us with the big power game. In my mind I think Dawn will try and big us to death. Not so sure what T.V. will do with her line up.
 
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You are absolutely entitled to your opinion on Dorka. But what possible purpose does it serve to demean Liv in order to make your point?

We can go back and forth on this all day. I suggest we table the discussion until the season comes around. If Dorka ends up starting, feel free to say, “I told you so.”
I don’t think I demeaning Liv by pointing out that her development has been disappointing. If that were the case them surely you would have to include Geno in the demeaning because he’s pointed out that Liv is in for a
long senior season if she does not improve. I’ve made several predictions about UCONN players that turned out to be wrong. Right or wrong you will not be hearing from me. What I really want to know is why you are so unwelcoming of Dorka by: stating that Geno would never be interested in her, comparing her to Evelyn and relegating her to be a back up to Liv when Dorka has accomplished far more as a basketball player.
 
I don’t think I demeaning Liv by pointing out that her development has been disappointing.
Really? Your post strikes me as a sarcastic criticism of Liv for not making 1st team all-conference. How does that have anything to do with her development as a player. UConn has had many players who never made 1st team all conference, and they were very good nonetheless.
:eek:Yea Liv could really really use a quality back! Perhaps a player that was 2X first team all Big 10 especially considering Liv was not even 1st team after playing three full seasons in the Big East and the American.
 
Really? Your post strikes me as a sarcastic criticism of Liv for not making 1st team all-conference. How does that have anything to do with her development as a player. UConn has had many players who never made 1st team all conference, and they were very good nonetheless.
Keep crying wolf about me demeaning players and ignoring the obvious if you must. This thread is about Dorka. If Liv had developed as projected, a BY thread about Dorka would not be necessary. Clear enough?
 
Keep crying wolf about me demeaning players and ignoring the obvious if you must. This thread is about Dorka. If Liv had developed as projected, a BY thread about Dorka would not be necessary. Clear enough?
Who exactly projected Liv’s development? You? It amazes me that someone on a fan forum, who thinks he knows something about basketball, has the audacity to sit in judgment on a player of Liv’s ability.
 
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If I may.
Whatever level Liv played at when she came to UCONN and however far one may feel she has progressed, you (and she) cannot be satisfied with the way she performed in the final two games of last season.
Running the table in the AAC and Big East doesn’t mean diddly if you can’t up your game in the tournament.
Unless Conference Trophies are your primary goal....
We’ll see how she responds soon enough.
 
If I may.
Whatever level Liv played at when she came to UCONN and however far one may feel she has progressed, you (and she) cannot be satisfied with the way she performed in the final two games of last season.
Running the table in the AAC and Big East doesn’t mean diddly if you can’t up your game in the tournament.
Unless Conference Trophies are your primary goal....
We’ll see how she responds soon enough.
I appreciate all the young ladies who play for UConn, win or lose. Liv owes nothing to me or any other fan. Whether she is satisfied with her play is all that really matters in the end.
 
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Who exactly projected Liv’s development? You? It amazes me that someone on a fan forum, who thinks he knows something about basketball, has the audacity to sit in judgment on a player of Liv’s ability.
The depth of you denial is astounding. It was not me it was the WBCA & the Big East conference. Both of which projected Liv to be among the best centers in the country last season by placing her on the Lisa Leslie watch list and the Big East pre-season first team.
 
time will tell........each game is different........I suspect the UConn outside shooting will be so good that defenses will be extended to the point where there will be plenty of open opportunities for the low post players..........Dorka has proven that she can finish with contact from both sides of the lane........if she gets fouled and misses 50%, she's still piling up fouls against the opponent's post players possibly leading to extra foul shots......it's her three point shooting that I'm unsure about......

check out her inside ability from 1:23 of this video


The reversing spin move after 2:23 is impressive!
 
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The depth of you denial is astounding. It was not me it was the WBCA & the Big East conference. Both of which projected Liv to be among the best centers in the country last season by placing her on the Lisa Leslie watch list and the Big East pre-season first team.
What absurd standards? Liv was one of 5 finalists for the Lisa Leslie award won by Aliyah Boston. She was 2nd team all conference and co-DPOY. I’m perfectly fine with that. I’m sorry she let you down.
 
I’m a big fan of buttercream icing.
I prefer the coconut and coffee icing with German Chocolate cake.

My son (now a chef) used my old coffee grinder to grind the coconut finer, but my wife had left some roasted coconut Lion coffee from Kona, Hawaii in the grinder, so it loaded the caffeine level... Just amazing taste!!!!
 
What absurd standards? Liv was one of 5 finalists for the Lisa Leslie award won by Aliyah Boston. She was 2nd team all conference and co-DPOY. I’m perfectly fine with that.
She's a player like KLS, pad the stats against the lesser teams while not getting it done against the better teams. That's not good enough this year.
 
What absurd standards? Liv was one of 5 finalists for the Lisa Leslie award won by Aliyah Boston. She was 2nd team all conference and co-DPOY. I’m perfectly fine with that. I’m sorry she let you down.
:eek: Yup an absurd standard to expect the UCONN WCBB starting center to be first team in the Big East.
Big Brain What GIF by Rosanna Pansino
 
She's a player like KLS, pad the stats against the lesser teams while not getting it done against the better teams. That's not good enough this year.
KLS not good enough? 3-time 1st Team AA. Lit up MD in the barf bucket game at MD her sophomore season. Set an all time NCAA record going 10/10 from the arc against a ranked USF team in the AAC tournament final. Scored 28 pts coming back from injury upsetting Louisville in the Elite 8 game her senior year.

You people are unreal.
 
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:eek: Yup an absurd standard to expect the UCONN WCBB starting center to be first team in the Big East.
Big Brain What GIF by Rosanna Pansino
I'll make this point one more time. I have no problem with your belief that Dorka will start this coming season. But your obsession with tearing down Liv to make your point is immature and serves no useful purpose. Liv had a fine season and she will have an even better season this coming year....and she will be the starting center for UConn.
 
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:eek:Yea Liv could really really use a quality back! Perhaps a player that was 2X first team all Big 10 especially considering Liv was not even 1st team after playing three full seasons in the Big East and the American.

I'm pretty sure the conferences limit the number of all-conference 1st team players allowed per team to two each year. Else Liv and several others would have made it. Liv probably would have made Big 10 all-first team the last two years IMHO.
 
I'm pretty sure the conferences limit the number of all-conference 1st team players allowed per team to two each year. Else Liv and several others would have made it. Liv probably would have made Big 10 all-first team the last two years IMHO.

Wait three Seton Hall players made 1st team All Big East last year and only two UConn players. Questionable? That makes me doubt their validity.
 
I'm pretty sure the conferences limit the number of all-conference 1st team players allowed per team to two each year. Else Liv and several others would have made it. Liv probably would have made Big 10 all-first team the last two years IMHO.
No, neither the BE or the American have such a limitation.
Wait three Seton Hall players made 1st team All Big East last year and only two UConn players. Questionable? That makes me doubt their validity.
I'm not sure what would cause you to doubt the validity because it is BE coaches voting. Are you also doubting the validiy of Paige being named Conference player of the year?

All-BIG EAST First Team
Paige Bueckers, UConn, Fr., G*
Christyn Williams, UConn, Jr., G*
Lexi Held, DePaul, Jr., G
Sonya Morris, DePaul, Jr., G*
Selena Lott, Marquette, Sr., G*
Leilani Correa, St. John’s, So., G
Desiree Elmore, Seton Hall, Sr., G/F
Andra Espinoza-Hunter, Seton Hall, Grad., G
Lauren Park-Lane, Seton Hall, So., G
Madison Siegrist, Villanova, So., F*
 
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No, neither the BE or the American have such a limitation.

I'm not sure what would cause you to doubt the validity because it is BE coaches voting. Are you also doubting the validiy of Paige being named Conference player of the year?

All-BIG EAST First Team
Paige Bueckers, UConn, Fr., G*
Christyn Williams, UConn, Jr., G*
Lexi Held, DePaul, Jr., G
Sonya Morris, DePaul, Jr., G*
Selena Lott, Marquette, Sr., G*
Leilani Correa, St. John’s, So., G
Desiree Elmore, Seton Hall, Sr., G/F
Andra Espinoza-Hunter, Seton Hall, Grad., G
Lauren Park-Lane, Seton Hall, So., G
Madison Siegrist, Villanova, So., F*

Just doesn't seem likely to represent the best players in the conference in this situation. For example I think Evina could have put up better stats on those other teams and clearly would have been All-Big East, instead she is not even honorable mention.

Props to Dorka for making this top-30 list last season though:

Ohio State Forward Dorka Juhasz Named To Naismith Midseason Watch List – Buckeye Sports Bulletin
 
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