Dorka?

[hoophuskee]

Dorka actually is the one player you want to get the ball to down low because she has proven to be an excellent finisher with either hand something ONO has yet to fully master........it sure would be helpful if both bigs could get that foul shooting up to at least 70%..........

And if they can't shoot /t's much better than what they've shown at UCONN and Ohio State, then you can't trust dumping the ball down low to them to score in close big games either unless they have a wide open layup.

A 50% f't shooter is not good enough to trust to score in tight, close, big games. Even if Dorka has the terrific skill/ability-- a very good defensive team in a tight game will not allow her to beat them with low post moves if she can't prove she can hit free throws. It doesn't matter that she has the skill - very good coaching from a very good defensive team in a tight game will more-than-likely will foul her (and some fouls will go uncalled.). thus reducing her effective fg% from normal to drastically worse.

 

[Charliebball]

And if they can't shoot /t's much better than what they've shown at UCONN and Ohio State, then you can't trust dumping the ball down low to them to score in close big games either unless they have a wide open layup.

A 50% f't shooter is not good enough to trust to score in tight, close, big games. Even if Dorka has the terrific skill/ability-- a very good defensive team in a tight game will not allow her to beat them with low post moves if she can't prove she can hit free throws. It doesn't matter that she has the skill - very good coaching from a very good defensive team in a tight game will more-than-likely will foul her (and some fouls will go uncalled.). thus reducing her effective fg% from normal to drastically worse.

time will tell........each game is different........I suspect the UConn outside shooting will be so good that defenses will be extended to the point where there will be plenty of open opportunities for the low post players..........Dorka has proven that she can finish with contact from both sides of the lane........if she gets fouled and misses 50%, she's still piling up fouls against the opponent's post players possibly leading to extra foul shots......it's her three point shooting that I'm unsure about......

check out her inside ability from 1:23 of this video

 

[Stymie]

And if they can't shoot /t's much better than what they've shown at UCONN and Ohio State, then you can't trust dumping the ball down low to them to score in close big games either unless they have a wide open layup.

A 50% f't shooter is not good enough to trust to score in tight, close, big games. Even if Dorka has the terrific skill/ability-- a very good defensive team in a tight game will not allow her to beat them with low post moves if she can't prove she can hit free throws. It doesn't matter that she has the skill - very good coaching from a very good defensive team in a tight game will more-than-likely will foul her (and some fouls will go uncalled.). thus reducing her effective fg% from normal to drastically worse.

I believe that the Huskies have enough “Bigs” talent to win the foul war of attrition in the paint.
Have at least 9-15 fouls to absorb.
At some point UCONN will have a 6’5” matchup versus a 5’11” or a 6’1”.
And that’s a worse case up front.
Now let’s move to the guards....

 

[hoophuskee]

time will tell........each game is different........I suspect the UConn outside shooting will be so good that defenses will be extended to the point where there will be plenty of open opportunities for the low post players..........Dorka has proven that she can finish with contact from both sides of the lane........if she gets fouled and misses 50%, she's still piling up fouls against the opponent's post players possibly leading to extra foul shots......it's her three point shooting that I'm unsure about......

check out her inside ability from 1:23 of this video

If defenses are extending then it means they are opened up for backdoor cuts. And the players receiving the backdoor cuts are better than 50% f/t shooters. I know she has ability but if she can't hit free throws it negates her ability to a degree. I'm excited about her potential. But I think it's exactly as you said when you referred to 70% as an example shooting at f/t line. Something near that is needed.

So when a team extends even if no layup, UCONN has supposedly 4 terrific passing guards in Paige, Azzi, Evina, and Nika. An over-extending of defense if no layup, tthen he team should be able to get a good mid-range jump shot. That's still better than a 50% f/t shooter that is going to slow the game down.

In terms of foul trouble it depends on the opposing team ofc. But UCONN doesn't want to play "grind-basketball" either. So in some ways it's detrimental to dump it enough times inside which will cause the game to slow down - as it takes time to get position, then in several cases she gets fouled, which in the long-run prevents UCONN from playing with pace. Sure an occasional play but can't do it (just dump it to her) late in a game if she can't be relied upon to hit free throws.

 

[hoophuskee]

I believe that the Huskies have enough “Bigs” talent to win the foul war of attrition in the paint.
Have at least 9-15 fouls to absorb.
At some point UCONN will have a 6’5” matchup versus a 5’11” or a 6’1”.
And that’s a worse case up front.
Now let’s move to the guards....

First off UCONN wants to win with their strength mostly as does any team- and that's Paige Buckers, CWill and Azzi Fudd. These are UCONN's projected top 3, aren't they? Maybe some question about Azzi but still . .. And Evina with out having to play 30+ minutes will probably be much more effective.

UCONN isn't looking to play grind basketball. They want Paige, Azzi and CWill out on fastbreaks, These players out in the open are more dangerous than UCONN's frontline. Their guards are still their strength. They will play to it especially if their centers can't be relied upon to convert at /t line.

If UCONN is playing vs a small team and specifically regarding Dorka - if she can only shoot 50% on her free throws then why slow the game down if that's all she can do? What team can match up to Paige, CWill, Evina, Azzi with a player like Nika and maybe even CD as well?

 

[CocoHusky]

I believe that the Huskies have enough “Bigs” talent to win the foul war of attrition in the paint.
Have at least 9-15 fouls to absorb.
At some point UCONN will have a 6’5” matchup versus a 5’11” or a 6’1”.
And that’s a worse case up front.
Now let’s move to the guards....

UCONN's defense has averaged between 10.5-11.7 fouls per game for almost 2 full decades now. Even your low estimate of 9 fouls from just the 2 front court players would be excessive. It would also fundamentally change the game and goes against many of the things that UCONN loves to do such as dictating the tempo & getting out in transition. UCONN will have many "bigs" on the roster that's true, but I don't expect the regular rotation in meaningful games to include more than Aaliyah, Dorka and Liv covering the 4 & 5 positions.

 

[DEpup]

Don't we think the great coaching staff will address the FT shooting?? I think assuming she'll stay at 50% is not giving the coaches enough credit....

 

[Bald Husky]

Don't we think the great coaching staff will address the FT shooting?? I think assuming she'll stay at 50% is not giving the coaches enough credit....

Alyssa Thomas approach? LOL

 

[oldude]

While there is great anticipation for any transfer to the program, we should all be cautious in our expectations relative to Dorka. She has to get comfortable in UConn’s system. Even for a smart, experienced player, that can be a challenge. Hopefully Dorka can also regain her 3-pt shooting touch from two seasons ago, after a significant decline last season.

Personally, I will be very pleased if Dorka provides solid minutes off the bench backing up Liv. Anything more than that will be icing on the cake.

 

[Jim R]

While there is great anticipation for any transfer to the program, we should all be cautious in our expectations relative to Dorka. She has to get comfortable in UConn’s system. Even for a smart, experienced player, that can be a challenge. Hopefully Dorka can also regain her 3-pt shooting touch from two seasons ago, after a significant decline last season.

Personally, I will be very pleased if Dorka provides solid minutes off the bench backing up Liv. Anything more than that will be icing on the cake.

Yes, Lots of Icing!

 

[CocoHusky]

Don't we think the great coaching staff will address the FT shooting?? I think assuming she'll stay at 50% is not giving the coaches enough credit....

This will be Dorka’s 4th season of playing NCAA BB. Any improvement in her FT shooting is going to be the result of fixing an obvious mechanical issue with her shot- which there isn’t one. This is largely a BY perceived issue and one that was first mentioned in the absolute negative as in “Why would Geno want to recruit a post player that shot only 50% from the line”? Much of that negativity persists in assuming that she will not improve and fails to account for the fact that she shot 63% as a freshman. BTW Liv’s FT percentages were 59% last season and 53% the season before that. Dorka is bringing too much to the table for her FT shooting to become an issue even if she doesn’t improve.

 

[CocoHusky]

While there is great anticipation for any transfer to the program, we should all be cautious in our expectations relative to Dorka. She has to get comfortable in UConn’s system. Even for a smart, experienced player, that can be a challenge. Hopefully Dorka can also regain her 3-pt shooting touch from two seasons ago, after a significant decline last season.

Personally, I will be very pleased if Dorka provides solid minutes off the bench backing up Liv. Anything more than that will be icing on the cake.

Yea Liv could really really use a quality back! Perhaps a player that was 2X first team all Big 10 especially considering Liv was not even 1st team after playing three full seasons in the Big East and the American.

 

[Dogstar]

This will be Dorka’s 4th season of playing NCAA BB. Any improvement in her FT shooting is going to be the result of fixing an obvious mechanical issue with her shot- which there isn’t one. This is largely a BY perceived issue and one that was first mentioned in the absolute negative as in “Why would Geno want to recruit a post player that shot only 50% from the line”? Much of that negativity persists in assuming that she will not improve and fails to account for the fact that she shot 63% as a freshman. BTW Liv’s FT percentages were 59% last season and 53% the season before that. Dorka is bringing too much to the table for her FT shooting to become an issue

Don't we think the great coaching staff will address the FT shooting?? I think assuming she'll stay at 50% is not giving the coaches enough credit....

Totally agree!

 

[oldude]

Yea Liv could really really use a quality back! Perhaps a player that was 2X first team all Big 10 especially considering Liv was not even 1st team after playing three full seasons in the Big East and the American.

Sounds like you have already determined that Dorka will start. I haven’t. Dorka was one of the leading scorers for a 13-7 tOSU team that didn’t even make it to the postseason. She will need to find her roll at UConn.

Dorka is the second transfer to UConn who will be immediately eligible. You correctly cautioned me relative to the other one about inflated expectations. I’m returning the favor.

Let’s see what happens when the season rolls around.

 

[Stymie]

First off UCONN wants to win with their strength mostly as does any team- and that's Paige Buckers, CWill and Azzi Fudd. These are UCONN's projected top 3, aren't they? Maybe some question about Azzi but still . .. And Evina with out having to play 30+ minutes will probably be much more effective.

UCONN isn't looking to play grind basketball. They want Paige, Azzi and CWill out on fastbreaks, These players out in the open are more dangerous than UCONN's frontline. Their guards are still their strength. They will play to it especially if their centers can't be relied upon to convert at /t line.

If UCONN is playing vs a small team and specifically regarding Dorka - if she can only shoot 50% on her free throws then why slow the game down if that's all she can do? What team can match up to Paige, CWill, Evina, Azzi with a player like Nika and maybe even CD as well?

The point I was attempting to make was if an opponent wants to play ugly basketball, a banging, chippy physical Game- UCONN is well equipped to bring it at that level.
This is the type of game plan UCONN has found most problematic.
No more.

 

[Charliebball]

If defenses are extending then it means they are opened up for backdoor cuts. And the players receiving the backdoor cuts are better than 50% f/t shooters. I know she has ability but if she can't hit free throws it negates her ability to a degree. I'm excited about her potential. But I think it's exactly as you said when you referred to 70% as an example shooting at f/t line. Something near that is needed.

So when a team extends even if no layup, UCONN has supposedly 4 terrific passing guards in Paige, Azzi, Evina, and Nika. An over-extending of defense if no layup, tthen he team should be able to get a good mid-range jump shot. That's still better than a 50% f/t shooter that is going to slow the game down.

In terms of foul trouble it depends on the opposing team ofc. But UCONN doesn't want to play "grind-basketball" either. So in some ways it's detrimental to dump it enough times inside which will cause the game to slow down - as it takes time to get position, then in several cases she gets fouled, which in the long-run prevents UCONN from playing with pace. Sure an occasional play but can't do it (just dump it to her) late in a game if she can't be relied upon to hit free throws.

I get what you're saying but I think you may be over analyzing the situation a bit...........you know for UConn it's all about getting the best shot during a possession and that can include everything from an open three pointer to an easy layup down low........having a tough post player who can finish contested layups is always a good thing no matter how awful her free throw shooting percentage is.............

 

[JoePgh]

Dorka was one of the leading scorers for a 13-7 tOSU team that didn’t even make it to the postseason. She will need to find her roll at UConn.

I am pretty sure that Ohio State was ineligible for the NCAA Tournament in 2021 as a result of previous NCAA rules violations. They weren't included in any of Charlie Creme's mock brackets, presumably for that reason.

Otherwise, Ohio State would clearly have qualified for the tournament. It finished higher in the Big 10 than other teams which qualified.

That doesn't mean that Dorka will start for UConn, and in fact I doubt that she will. But she will get plenty of minutes, if only because of the foul proneness of both Liv and Aaliyah.

 

[jchusky]

I think some are already overrating Dorka and she hasn't even played a game yet. From what I've seen she still has lot of mechanic flaws in her game. Not a fan at all of her shot it looks ugly. The shots that she made in that highlight video are because the defense was surprised she took those shots and they were not meaningful shots when taken. I don't think ppl realize how hard it is for new players or even knew players to learn this complicated system Geno runs. Aubrey Griffin has been at Uconn two seasons and still can't get huge playing time. Idk how ppl just assume an incoming transfer who didn't win at Ohio State is gonna overtake Olivia for the job.

 

[hoophuskee]

Don't we think the great coaching staff will address the FT shooting?? I think assuming she'll stay at 50% is not giving the coaches enough credit....

It hasn't helped Liv so far, so why assume it will help with Dorka? Liv's still a bad f/t shooter if we look at the 6 games which there was some type of stress - 10 points or less; Liv shot 6-14 from /t line. Geno can't control that imo nor can he control that with Dorka imo. So If Dorka remains a poor f/t shooter is it Geno's fault? And many teams have some bad free throw shooters- was it because of coaching too?

And I just want to add - I'm not saying Dorka is going to be bad - just saying she might. If she is 50% or near it but slightly above, then you can see my point, right?

And if she is going to be /t shooter you think- then it means she is going to a serious threat to getting more minutes than Liv, if Liv doesn't improve her f/t shooting, right? Because overall Dorka would be superior to Liv, right? Because in big high stressed games - if Liv can't hit an open f/t then it probably means she can't shoot well at 15 feet during high stressed game conditions. Though no way am I saying Liv would be "benched."

 

[hoophuskee]

I get what you're saying but I think you may be over analyzing the situation a bit...........you know for UConn it's all about getting the best shot during a possession and that can include everything from an open three pointer to an easy layup down low........having a tough post player who can finish contested layups is always a good thing no matter how awful her free throw shooting percentage is.............

What's the definition of "the best shot?" Liv taking 15 footers if she is wide open- is that "the best shot?" Dorka taking f/t's and making 50% of them, is that "the best shot?"

Why can't we assume teams would foul a 50% free throw shooter rather thna have Paige and Azizi get off shots?

 

[Stymie]

What's the definition of "the best shot?" Liv taking 15 footers if she is wide open- is that "the best shot?" Dorka taking f/t's and making 50% of them, is that "the best shot?"

Why can't we assume teams would foul a 50% free throw shooter rather thna have Paige and Azizi get off shots?

In basketball, fouls area finite commodity.
Once your starters get in foul “ trouble” the game changes.
If they need to back off of their defensive assignments , the game changes.
If you need to sit them, the game changes.

This coming season, UCONN can afford to give some fouls and press aggressively as a result of team depth in the backcourt.
At the same time they can afford to give some fouls as a result of playing aggressively inside.

I look forward to observing how Coach utilizes team depth this year.
I expect that the proposition of starters playing 35-38 minutes a game isn’t in the offing.

 

[uconnever]

She's All-Big 10 two years running. She's bona fide. I'd be shocked if Ono gets more PT.

I loved Dorka even before she came here, but more playing time than ONO is a bit much, but I can see more playing time when it matters because I think she has a better offensive game and is good defensively compared to ONO who has not done too well when it mattered most and lacks in the offensive area. I believe ONO gets every chance to succeed this year and if it’s the same old same in the big games, she sits.

 

[Charliebball]

What's the definition of "the best shot?" Liv taking 15 footers if she is wide open- is that "the best shot?" Dorka taking f/t's and making 50% of them, is that "the best shot?"

Why can't we assume teams would foul a 50% free throw shooter rather thna have Paige and Azizi get off shots?

the most makeable shot a team can get within the time allowed is the best shot.........if other teams want to go into the bonus by continuously fouling UConn's posts so much the better........you're concern really only applies to a close end of the game scenario where you want your best fouls shooters on the line........it's up to the coach to mix and match players under those circumstances.....

 

[oldude]

I am pretty sure that Ohio State was ineligible for the NCAA Tournament in 2021 as a result of previous NCAA rules violations. They weren't included in any of Charlie Creme's mock brackets, presumably for that reason.

Otherwise, Ohio State would clearly have qualified for the tournament. It finished higher in the Big 10 than other teams which qualified.

That doesn't mean that Dorka will start for UConn, and in fact I doubt that she will. But she will get plenty of minutes, if only because of the foul proneness of both Liv and Aaliyah.

There were 7 teams from the Big10 in the NCAA tournament. 6 had better overall records than tOSU. MSU at 8-7 in conference, 15-9 overall was basically a tossup with tOSU’s 9-7 in conference, 13-7 overall. tOSU may have been selected for the tournament had they been eligible, but I wouldn’t venture that it was “clearly” the case.

 

[CocoHusky]

Sounds like you have already determined that Dorka will start. I haven’t. Dorka was one of the leading scorers for a 13-7 tOSU team that didn’t even make it to the postseason. She will need to find her roll at UConn.

Dorka is the second transfer to UConn who will be immediately eligible. You correctly cautioned me relative to the other one about inflated expectations. I’m returning the favor.

Let’s see what happens when the season rolls around.

I don't determine who starts. I predicted that Dorka will. I also previously cautioned you that it was "laughable" to compare Dorka and her accomplishments to Evelyn Adebayo yet there you go again. Murray State is not Ohio State. The basis of my expectations is documented accomplishments. I also previously mentioned that Dorka is comparable to Azura Stevens by position and her Duke stats. Before you jump the gun and point out that Azura did not start for UCONN let me just remind you that there were 2 returning AA players (KLS and Napheesa) and another player who would be named AA (Gabby) who kept her from doing so. Dorka doesn't have to start to help this team -Azura didn't. I have no hesitation in inflating my expectations for Dorka to be significantly above what Evelyn contributed at UCONN.

 

[PvP]

You might be right. Perhaps ONO is a better defender than Dorka, but as you say that is an assumption. That was never in question based on your original goalpost in the comment I quoted which was all about free throw percentages, was it not? Defensive play on the inside is not something that is reflected in easily available (read free) stats, and I've honestly never seen Dorka play that much, so I'm not going to make any assumption.

What I do know is that the decision will be up to Geno, based on what he actually sees in practice and in on the court. There will be no assumptions. I personally don't have an axe to grind or a favorite to champion or defend. I simply want the best playing when it matters. Right now, the position is ONO's to defend and someone is going to have to take it from her if they want it. Let's see how she does.

Agreed that it all

You might be right. Perhaps ONO is a better defender than Dorka, but as you say that is an assumption. That was never in question based on your original goalpost in the comment I quoted which was all about free throw percentages, was it not? Defensive play on the inside is not something that is reflected in easily available (read free) stats, and I've honestly never seen Dorka play that much, so I'm not going to make any assumption.

What I do know is that the decision will be up to Geno, based on what he actually sees in practice and in on the court. There will be no assumptions. I personally don't have an axe to grind or a favorite to champion or defend. I simply want the best playing when it matters. Right now, the position is ONO's to defend and someone is going to have to take it from her if they want it. Let's see how she does.

Agreed that it remains to be seen who Geno feels can best be trusted. The only impartial indications of skill on the court I would offer are the facts that in 3 years ONO has never been named to an all conference first team even while UCONN was in the very weak AAC while Dorka was twice named to the first team all Big Ten Conference which is hardly a patsy league. That tells me a lot.

 

[hoophuskee]

In basketball, fouls area finite commodity.
Once your starters get in foul “ trouble” the game changes.
If they need to back off of their defensive assignments , the game changes.
If you need to sit them, the game changes.

This coming season, UCONN can afford to give some fouls and press aggressively as a result of team depth in the backcourt.
At the same time they can afford to give some fouls as a result of playing aggressively inside.

I look forward to observing how Coach utilizes team depth this year.
I expect that the proposition of starters playing 35-38 minutes a game isn’t in the offing.

Who says if you are opposing team that you are going to get into foul trouble? How often do you think UCONN is going to dump the ball to Dorka vs wanting Paige, Azzi, and CWill to shoot? And as for inside- Edwards is pretty good too. SO even less shots for Dorka. And there's also a finite number of possessions. So there isn't enough possessions to have to rely on getting another very good defensive team in a tight game in foul trouble. Nor do I see why the opposing team "needs to back off." Why wouldn't they want a 50% f/t shooter taking free throws late in games rather than Paige or Azzi taking shots? The fouls don’t have to come just from the post player defending Dorka.


As far as press press press I'm not sold on that though maybe a bit more than a few weeks ago - ofc it depends on health and performance of Azzi and CWill imo. If these two are as good as I think they can be and are healthy-- I don't see how keeping your super players on the bench such as Paige makes UCONN better. Not to mention press press press risks cheap fouls on someone like Paige. But this is a bit off topic to Dorka. But if someone wants to put up a thread on team style - pace of play this upcoming year that would be cool to read. And -- I do expect Paige to get 35+ in big games that are close throughout the game this year- absolutely.

 

[oldude]

I don't determine who starts. I predicted that Dorka will. I also previously cautioned you that it was "laughable" to compare Dorka and her accomplishments to Evelyn Adebayo yet there you go again. Murray State is not Ohio State. The basis of my expectations is documented accomplishments. I also previously mentioned that Dorka is comparable to Azura Stevens by position and her Duke stats. Before you jump the gun and point out that Azura did not start for UCONN let me just remind you that there were 2 returning AA players (KLS and Napheesa) and another player who would be named AA (Gabby) who kept her from doing so. Dorka doesn't have to start to help this team -Azura didn't. I have no hesitation in inflating my expectations for Dorka to be significantly above what Evelyn contributed at UCONN.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion on Dorka. But what possible purpose does it serve to demean Liv in order to make your point?

We can go back and forth on this all day. I suggest we table the discussion until the season comes around. If Dorka ends up starting, feel free to say, “I told you so.”

 

[hoophuskee]

the most makeable shot a team can get within the time allowed is the best shot.........if other teams want to go into the bonus by continuously fouling UConn's posts so much the better........you're concern really only applies to a close end of the game scenario where you want your best fouls shooters on the line........it's up to the coach to mix and match players under those circumstances.....

Who says UCONN is going to continually get the ball to Dorka in which she is in such an advantageous position for a team to have to foul her against a very good defensive team in a game that is tight throughout? It takes time "to win position." As we know UCONN moves the ball around a lot. So against a very good defensive team in a tight game what makes us think Dorka is going to "win position" often to get the ball in a position to score a lot? And if UCONN is also trying to get shots for Paige, Azzi, CWill, and even Edwards- and ofc Evina is/can be pretty efficient-- how many opportunities is Dorka going to get?

Yes-- in part in bold was my point but then what are we arguing about? A few possessions before the last 5 minutes? How often will UCONN feature Dorka if they know she can't play at the end of the games because she can't hit free throws? I figure rather than dumping the ball down low to her late - she sets picks which ofc has lots of value too. And ofc UCONN wants to run—so how much is there “to dump the ball to Dorka?”

In terms of "makeable shot" - during the season if Dorka is showing you she is a 50% free throw shooter then that’s part of "a makeable shot," is it not? So when she takes 6 free throws in a game the expectation is 3-6 -- not 4-6 or better. No more "makebale" than Liv taking outside jump shots. Okay maybe a little better but you get the point I think?

 

[Stymie]

Who says if you are opposing team that you are going to get into foul trouble? How often do you think UCONN is going to dump the ball to Dorka vs wanting Paige, Azzi, and CWill to shoot? And as for inside- Edwards is pretty good too. SO even less shots for Dorka. And there's also a finite number of possessions. So there isn't enough possessions to have to rely on getting another very good defensive team in a tight game in foul trouble. Nor do I see why the opposing team "needs to back off." Why wouldn't they want a 50% f/t shooter taking free throws late in games rather than Paige or Azzi taking shots? The fouls don’t have to come just from the post player defending Dorka.


As far as press press press I'm not sold on that though maybe a bit more than a few weeks ago - ofc it depends on health and performance of Azzi and CWill imo. If these two are as good as I think they can be and are healthy-- I don't see how keeping your super players on the bench such as Paige makes UCONN better. Not to mention press press press risks cheap fouls on someone like Paige. But this is a bit off topic to Dorka. But if someone wants to put up a thread on team style - pace of play this upcoming year that would be cool to read. And -- I do expect Paige to get 35+ in big games that are close throughout the game this year- absolutely.

I apologize for knowing nothing about basketball.
But if you don’t believe that the size upgrade on the UCONN front line will result in greater competition for rebounds and therefore more fouling, I’m sorry.
“Dumping the ball inside” is not a proposition that I suggested.
More size=more competition for rebounds=more contact = more foul calls.
(On both ends of the floor)