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Dom Amore: If Big 12 calls, UConn will have to choose between Big East love and Power Five money.

husky429 said:
FWIW the opposite may be true. I haven't quite made up my mind on this issue, but my wife (a prof) says the B12 on average is leagues worse than what we're pulling in now--especially with Texas gone. We would probably lose much more than the 30 million in research funding.
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Why do sources of research funding care about a school's athletic conference?
 
August_West said:
If we get offered a cut rate deal for big12 there will be a plethora of people here foaming at the mouth to take it.
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Layout the Financials of what a cut rate deal would look like. Understand the Big12 goes back to market in 2031. Long before the ACC can do so again.
 
noeynox said:
Where does UConn rank in the Big East? They'd be 3rd in the Big 12. Cincinnati is #1.
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Not sure where you're getting these #s, but based on US News (the most common metric), that is not accurate. Cincinnati is #151. UConn would be #1 in the conference at #67. Baylor and BYU would be #2 and #3 at #77 and #87.

We're third in the Big East behind GTown and Nova. Some of the schools aren't ranked nationally though--they get regional rankings because they aren't R1.

The rankings suck. We'd be better off looking at other metrics but I have no idea how to.

Edit: Realized you might've been talking about totsl research funding. I assume that has some to do with # of faculty, so I have no idea how to know what is or isn't very good.
 
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husky429 said:
Research funding and academic rankings in the B12 are not where UConn aims to be. I believe we would be the best ranked school in the conference. Research $ is the part of conference affiliation that we as fans don't often think about, but is really important when these decisions come to a vote.
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noeynox said:
Where does UConn rank in the Big East? They'd be 3rd in the Big 12. Cincinnati is #1.
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husky429 said:
Not sure where you're getting these #s…
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JohnnyJr said:
I don’t want to leave the Big East but there’s been rumors for years that some of the P5, P4 or whatever it ends up being leave the NCAA altogether. If that ever did happen we’d be essentially playing D2 basketball. I’m not crazy about it but I think you have to join the B12.
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Those rumors have been about football, not basketball.
 
noeynox said:
Where does UConn rank in the Big East? They'd be 3rd in the Big 12. Cincinnati is #1.
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Cincy gets to count its Medical School as part of its research dollars, which is a huge source of research grants. Because it’s med school is on a different campus, UConn does not. It’s an apples and oranges comparison.
 
literally the only group of people on this Earth that would choose to remain tied to Butler and Marquette over being in the P5 are UConn basketball only fans.

May be helpful to remember that perspective here when 99.9999% of people would choose the opposite of what you want.
 
husky429 said:
Idk man, ask the B1G.
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The Big Ten is different. Inclusion in the athletic conference also means inclusion in the Big Ten Academic Alliance (formerly the CIC), which translates into institutional cooperation on research grants. That’s why the Big Ten insisted for generations that new members be AAU, a formal recognition of the amount of research they conduct.
 
Drew said:
literally the only group of people on this Earth that would choose to remain tied to Butler and Marquette over being in the P5 are UConn basketball only fans.

May be helpful to remember that perspective here when 99.9999% of people would choose the opposite of what you want.
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UConn men’s basketball fans, specifically. The women’s fans get it.
 
Drew said:
literally the only group of people on this Earth that would choose to remain tied to Butler and Marquette over being in the P5 are UConn basketball only fans.

May be helpful to remember that perspective here when 99.9999% of people would choose the opposite of what you want.
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2022-23 Home Attendance:

Men’s Basketball = 194,600
Football ======== 132,500
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
You left out Baylor (who has very recently won a title in men's basketball) and WVU, who we have a decent history with (more than exactly half of our current conference mates).

OK St, Iowa St and Kansas St (who you also left out) all have had very good programs recently.
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None of those teams move the needle for me at all. They may be objectively better, but I just don’t care about them at all.

If we go to the Big 12, there will be a single conference opponent that I care about in the slightest (Kansas).

We may be forced to take the offer for the money, but my enthusiasm will return to AAC levels (even if the conference as a whole is significantly better).
 
kobebeanbryant said:
None of those teams move the needle for me at all. They may be objectively better, but I just don’t care about them at all.

If we go to the Big 12, there will be a single conference opponent that I care about in the slightest (Kansas).

We may be forced to take the offer for the money, but my enthusiasm will return to AAC levels (even if the conference as a whole is significantly better).
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Same here. I don’t work with anyone who went to any of these schools. I don’t know anyone who graduated from any of these schools. I don’t know anyone who sends/sent their kids to any of these schools. There simply is no rivalry here with anyone I know or associate with.

The lack of rivalry is a huge problem. It contributed heavily to the decline in attendance during the AAC days. Privately BC alumni told me after their move to the ACC that they wished that they were back in the Big East even though their football and basketball programs were doing well in the ACC at the time. They were playing big names in football and huge names in basketball but their attendance shrank because there was no one on their schedule that anyone in their fan base cared about.

This is the future we’d be facing in the Big XII.
 
August_West said:
Who are the top names in B12 ? Kansas?


I’m salivating at the thought of OK state, Texas Tech, Iowa State, TCU etc… real marquee stuff here.
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Those schools you mentioned have a lot of alumni scattered all over the country.
That's a lot of eyes on UConn that would be unbelievable national exposure that they will never get staying in the Big East
 
BigTenFan said:
Those schools you mentioned have a lot of alumni scattered all over the country.
That's a lot of eyes on UConn that would be unbelievable national exposure that they will never get staying in the Big East
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We haveva segment of the fanbase that thinks any boost to football comes at the expense of basketball. They hate FB, but will instead say "I'm fine with FB", but in reality they're fine with FB remaining on the same level of UMass FB. Something that that even back in 1990 they would NEVER say about BB. Remaining on the level of UMass for BB was never palatable. It shouldn't for FB either.
 
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noeynox said:
How many games each? One of those may be closed to maxed out. The other is no where close. Think
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I can’t even begin to describe how stupid posting those attendance numbers with zero additional detail is.

The implication in his post is that there is no overlap in either of the populations of fans attending both of these sets of games as if it’s some sort of unique vote for which sport they support more. I attended both UConn football and UConn basketball games this year- probably because I’m a UConn fan!
 
August_West said:
1st of all I don’t think it is coming, 2nd of all if it ever did it wouldn’t be a P5 offer, it would be some kind of cut rate deal. We were stuck in a purgatory with Houston UCF and Cincinnati, now we want to go back to it and take Less money than them ? Screw that. Without Texas and Oklahoma and god knows who gets picked off next. And then not get paid as much as Cincinnati to land in that mess? No thanks. I’m content to watch it from the BigEast until something real comes along.
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The one thing the Big 12 has going for them is that there's 10+ teams outside of the Big 12 who will be picked up by the Power 2 before they even look at any Big 12 schools.

It's why the Big 12 could remain the really unattractive sister power conference if things somehow stay a power 3 instead of just a power 2.
 
husky429 said:
FWIW the opposite may be true. I haven't quite made up my mind on this issue, but my wife (a prof) says the B12 on average is leagues worse than what we're pulling in now--especially with Texas gone. We would probably lose much more than the 30 million in research funding.
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This has me very curious. Are we currently receiving research funds due to our membership in the BE? If we are, what is the source of these funds?
 
JohnnyJr said:
Idk how you take one big revenue sport and leave the others in the NCAA. I think it would be a messy split.
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When they leave they're not going to be bogged down by ncaa limits intemded to level the playing field
 
Drew said:
I can’t even begin to describe how stupid posting those attendance numbers with zero additional detail is.

The implication in his post is that there is no overlap in either of the populations of fans attending both of these sets of games as if it’s some sort of unique vote for which sport they support more. I attended both UConn football and UConn basketball games this year- probably because I’m a UConn fan!
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Ill say may be it was a brain fart. I have them too.
 
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BigTenFan said:
Those schools you mentioned have a lot of alumni scattered all over the country.
That's a lot of eyes on UConn that would be unbelievable national exposure that they will never get staying in the Big East
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We’d be happy to join the BigTen. Make that happen!
 
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husky429 said:
Research funding and academic rankings in the B12 are not where UConn aims to be. I believe we would be the best ranked school in the conference. Research $ is the part of conference affiliation that we as fans don't often think about, but is really important when these decisions come to a vote.
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Who is the highest ranked in the current BE?

At the moment, we are #1 in the BE at #88, Georgetown is #2 at #92 and Marquette #228 is the only other BE school in the top 250. Cincinnati is #51, Kansas is #72 and Iowa St is #77, all ahead of us. Central Florida, West Virginia and Texas Tech are all in the top 150 and Baylor #207 and BYU #219 are ahead of the BE's third ranked research school.

If research dollars are that important and affiliation is what matters here, we should jump at the B-12 even of it were a loss in other areas.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Who is the highest ranked in the current BE?

At the moment, we are #1 in the BE at #88, Georgetown is #2 at #92 and Marquette #228 is the only other BE school in the top 250. Cincinnati is #51, Kansas is #72 and Iowa St is #77, all ahead of us. Central Florida, West Virginia and Texas Tech are all in the top 150 and Baylor #207 and BYU #219 are ahead of the BE's third ranked research school.

If research dollars are that important and affiliation is what matters here, we should jump at the B-12 even of it were a loss in other areas.
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Admittedly i haven't been on campus in a LONG time. Last time i was there cows on campus. I bet there are cows on some Big12 campuses!
 
superjohn said:
The one thing the Big 12 has going for them is that there's 10+ teams outside of the Big 12 who will be picked up by the Power 2 before they even look at any Big 12 schools.

It's why the Big 12 could remain the really unattractive sister power conference if things somehow stay a power 3 instead of just a power 2.
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Likely true. I think between the programs currently in the Big 12, PAC and ACC with some eventually going to the B1G and SEC, it could very likely be the Power 2 and the Other 2, with the Big 12 being one of the Other 2. That's good enough for me!
 
husky429 said:
Idk man, ask the B1G.
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The only way for UCONN to get a B1G invite is to get UCONN football firing on all cylinders. Joining the B12 would accomplish that mi$$ion. Mora combined with the B12 will bring football recruiting and football success to a level we have never seen before. THEN and ONLY THEN do we become attractive to the B1G.

Alternatively, turn down a B12 offer and Mora probably bolts for greener pastures as I'm sure he would not tolerate such a loser mentality from the school. Lose Mora and we are right back to one win football seasons. No B1G offer will ever come under those circumstances.
 
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