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Dom Amore: If Big 12 calls, UConn will have to choose between Big East love and Power Five money.

August_West said:
1st of all I don’t think it is coming, 2nd of all if it ever did it wouldn’t be a P5 offer, it would be some kind of cut rate deal. We were stuck in a purgatory with Houston UCF and Cincinnati, now we want to go back to it and take Less money than them ? Screw that. Without Texas and Oklahoma and god knows who gets picked off next. And then not get paid as much as Cincinnati to land in that mess? No thanks. I’m content to watch it from the BigEast until something real comes along.
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For the record. I won't believe it is coming until I actually see it.

That aside, there is an enormous difference between being in a conference where (outside of us) Cincy, Houston & UCF are the top three names and being in a conference where they are the bottom three.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
What would we get and how would it compare to what we are making now?
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We got a lot more money ( between AAC contract and the 5 years of fees we got on top of it than the NBE) how did that work out?

Explain to me why we should take a cut rate deal?
 
FfldCntyFan said:
For the record. I won't believe it is coming until I actually see it.

That aside, there is an enormous difference between being in a conference where (outside of us) Cincy, Houston & UCF are the top three names and being in a conference where they are the bottom three.
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Who are the top names in B12 ? Kansas?


I’m salivating at the thought of OK state, Texas Tech, Iowa State, TCU etc… real marquee stuff here.
 
August_West said:
We got a lot more money ( between AAC contract and the 5 years of fees we got on top of it than the NBE) how did that work out?

Explain to me why we should take a citrate deal?
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We got a lot more? Are you kidding?
 
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August_West said:
Who are the top names in B12 ? Kansas?


I’m salivating at the thought of OK state, Texas Tech, Iowa State, TCU etc… real marquee stuff here.
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You left out Baylor (who has very recently won a title in men's basketball) and WVU, who we have a decent history with (more than exactly half of our current conference mates).

OK St, Iowa St and Kansas St (who you also left out) all have had very good programs recently. Pick the time frame and match the top five, seven, ten schools in the B-12 and compare it with their non-UConn counterparts in the BE. There is a valud argument that it is a better mens basketball conference and it is far superior in most other sports that we compete in.

I know you despise the idea but we are not giving up on football. We will never be the quaint little school that many viewed us as half a century ago and despite whatever dreams you may have or whatever social media efforts you may make, a UConn-PC matchup will never have any juice outside of New England and loses most of its juice once you're north of Attleboro or West of Guilford.
 
August_West said:
Nope. Look at the money we got the first 5 years of AAC compared to BigEast teams
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That's a hell of a comparison. The accurate one would have been what we would have made if we remained in the AAC vs what we made (net of departure fees) in the BE.

If we had remained in the BE (we were never given a choice), all BE schools would have made more as the split, as initially designed, could have been completed and the schools that ended up in what is now the BE would not have needed to buy back the name.
 
August_West said:
Nope. Look at the money we got the first 5 years of AAC compared to BigEast teams
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Wasn’t it more like 8 million to 2? Maybe the ratio is the same but the effect on the AD is night and day. If we are not getting full distribution of the TV deal, that does change everything.
 
August_West said:
1st of all I don’t think it is coming, 2nd of all if it ever did it wouldn’t be a P5 offer, it would be some kind of cut rate deal. We were stuck in a purgatory with Houston UCF and Cincinnati, now we want to go back to it and take Less money than them ? Screw that. Without Texas and Oklahoma and god knows who gets picked off next. And then not get paid as much as Cincinnati to land in that mess? No thanks. I’m content to watch it from the BigEast until something real comes along.
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If it doesn't come it doesn't come. The rest of your post is speculation about what the deal is gonna be and preferences against playing those schools. "God knows who gets picked off next"? Tell me who is wanted and by whom? Now I'll speculate. The beauty of it is that there is going to be a best of the rest leauge and this commissioner will likely pick up pieces from both the PAC and ACC. Once the B1G and SEC are done.

Again just say you'd prefer they just shutter the FB program down completely.
 
I don’t want to leave the Big East but there’s been rumors for years that some of the P5, P4 or whatever it ends up being leave the NCAA altogether. If that ever did happen we’d be essentially playing D2 basketball. I’m not crazy about it but I think you have to join the B12.
 
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I fear that political pressure from the pols in Hartford would force our hand to take the money. Grumblings about the state subsizdation of UConn have been going on for years. A refusal to get the bucks would hurt us down the road in Hartford.
 
Greathusky said:
I fear that political pressure from the pols in Hartford would force our hand to take the money. Grumblings about the state subsizdation of UConn have been going on for years. A refusal to get the bucks would hurt us down the road in Hartford.
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I pray they get one right! They should be pressuring. The UConn twitterati were basically trying to argue the state is an open piggy bank for the basketball program and they would never get outbid for Hurley.
 
Greathusky said:
I fear that political pressure from the pols in Hartford would force our hand to take the money. Grumblings about the state subsizdation of UConn have been going on for years. A refusal to get the bucks would hurt us down the road in Hartford.
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FWIW the opposite may be true. I haven't quite made up my mind on this issue, but my wife (a prof) says the B12 on average is leagues worse than what we're pulling in now--especially with Texas gone. We would probably lose much more than the 30 million in research funding.
 
husky429 said:
FWIW the opposite may be true. I haven't quite made up my mind on this issue, but my wife (a prof) says the B12 on average is leagues worse than what we're pulling in now--especially with Texas gone. We would probably lose much more than the 30 million in research funding.
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Leagues worse? What does this mean?
 
get method man GIF
 
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August_West said:
We got a lot more money ( between AAC contract and the 5 years of fees we got on top of it than the NBE) how did that work out?

Explain to me why we should take a cut rate deal?
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Holy straw man. Please point to a single post advocating UConn take a cut-rate deal.
 
husky429 said:
FWIW the opposite may be true. I haven't quite made up my mind on this issue, but my wife (a prof) says the B12 on average is leagues worse than what we're pulling in now--especially with Texas gone. We would probably lose much more than the 30 million in research funding.
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And Chris Murphy wants to stay in the BE, which could be a hint on the political direction.
 
noeynox said:
Leagues worse? What does this mean?
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Research funding and academic rankings in the B12 are not where UConn aims to be. I believe we would be the best ranked school in the conference. Research $ is the part of conference affiliation that we as fans don't often think about, but is really important when these decisions come to a vote.
 
husky429 said:
Research funding and academic rankings in the B12 are not where UConn aims to be. I believe we would be the best ranked school in the conference. Research $ is the part of conference affiliation that we as fans don't often think about, but is really important when these decisions come to a vote.
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Where does UConn rank in the Big East? They'd be 3rd in the Big 12. Cincinnati is #1.
 
Edward Sargent said:
So it’s all about competing financially? Our football team will be BC or Cuse or worse. Baseball will be no better
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Our football team would kill to be BC or Cuse.

And you clearly haven't followed UConn baseball at all if you think it wouldn't be worse. The baseball team just spent the entire season ranked, mostly in the top 10, and isn't going to get to host a regional as a 1 seed because they slipped up in a single game against Butler
 
navery12 said:
Our football team would kill to be BC or Cuse.

And you clearly haven't followed UConn baseball at all if you think it wouldn't be worse. The baseball team just spent the entire season ranked, mostly in the top 10, and isn't going to get to host a regional as a 1 seed because they slipped up in a single game against Butler
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When UConn was on equal footing financially with these schools it showed it would have zero problems competing with them. Tie one arm behind their back where the best they could do was bring back Edsall on a shoe string budget and yeah, we wish we were as good as them. It didn't take much, 1 year of Mora to beat BC on the field. Give this program a fair chance to compete damn it.
 
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noeynox said:
If it doesn't come it doesn't come. The rest of your post is speculation about what the deal is gonna be and preferences against playing those schools. "God knows who gets picked off next"? Tell me who is wanted and by whom? Now I'll speculate. The beauty of it is that there is going to be a best of the rest leauge and this commissioner will likely pick up pieces from both the PAC and ACC. Once the B1G and SEC are done.

Again just say you'd prefer they just shutter the FB program down completely.
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I simply believe we can wait this out while it all shakes out and end in a better position than a desperation, lacking self respect move to a conference that makes zero sense for us. There will be opportunity in the future to end up with the rest of the left overs.

I’m fine playing football, we can be cannon fodder as an independent just as well as we can in Big12. ( or were in AAC) . Honestly what is our football ceiling in ANY league? You mentioned Calhoun before, probably as a program builder, that can NEVER happen with Football. Calhoun built this program on the backs of a great college basketball region, legendary teams and fertile recruiting grounds. None of those area features apply to football. What is our ceiling ? You have big conference money northeast teams like Syracuse, BC, and Rutgers, how are they doing with their millions , their conference , and a way richer football tradition?

Play football. It’s fine. We could maybe make a bowl game every few years , that’s good. But man, it’s was way rough for northeast schools to compete BEFORE NIL. Now teams have pro league payrolls. We have so much against us on this front that have nothing to do with conference affiliation. So until something actually makes sense for us in these crazy times, I think we should wait it out.
 
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Bazz4A said:
Dude 75% of uconn fans don’t care about football - it’s about winning titles, they should stick with whatever is best for basketball. And maybe that’s the big 12 but most people don’t care about football.
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They will once the wins....followed by big big wins...come. I remember a rainy game against a USF team that was about to be #1 in the country. We won. What a crowd! Stormed the field.
 
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August_West said:
I simply believe we can wait this out while it all shakes out and end in a better position than a desperation, lacking self respect move to a conference that makes zero sense for us. There will be opportunity in the future to end up with the rest of the left overs.

I’m fine playing football, we can be cannon fodder as an independent just as well as we can in Big12. ( or were in AAC) . Honestly what is our football ceiling in ANY league? You mentioned Calhoun before, probably as a program builder, that can NEVER happen with Football. Calhoun built this program on the backs of a great college basketball region, legendary teams and fertile recruiting grounds. None of those area features apply to football. What is our ceiling ? You have big conference money northeast teams like Syracuse, BC, and Rutgers, how are they doing with their millions , their conference , and a way richer football tradition?

Play football. It’s fine. We could maybe make a bowl game every few years , that’s good. But man, it’s was way rough for northeast schools to compete BEFORE NIL. Now teams have pro league payrolls. We have so much against us on this front that have nothing to do with conference affiliation. So until something actually makes sense for us in these crazy times, I think we should wait it out.
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What would waiting it out lead to and why would that scenario(s) be better?
 
August_West said:
I simply believe we can wait this out while it all shakes out and end in a better position than a desperation, lacking self respect move to a conference that makes zero sense for us. There will be opportunity in the future to end up with the rest of the left overs.

I’m fine playing football, we can be cannon fodder as an independent just as well as we can in Big12. ( or were in AAC) . Honestly what is our football ceiling in ANY league? You mentioned Calhoun before, probably as a program builder, that can NEVER happen with Football. Calhoun built this program on the backs of a great college basketball region, legendary teams and fertile recruiting grounds. None of those area features apply to football. What is our ceiling ? You have big conference money northeast teams like Syracuse, BC, and Rutgers, how are they doing with their millions , their conference , and a way richer football tradition?

Play football. It’s fine. We could maybe make a bowl game every few years , that’s good. But man, it’s was way rough for northeast schools to compete BEFORE NIL. Now teams have pro league payrolls. We have so much against us on this front that have nothing to do with conference affiliation. So until something actually makes sense for us in these crazy times, I think we should wait it out.
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They have waited. Over a decade plus to get played time and time again by the ACC. The ACC commish and ESPN told Malloy we were "next" how long ago?

The ceiling for UConn FB maybe what it was in the Big East, it may be higher. While in the Big East with similar resources to their peers in what they could pay coaches, they beat Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Baylor, Iowa State, Indiana, South Carolina, Notre Dame, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rutgers, Cincinnati, Pitt.

When you're so broke as a program that all you can do is bring back Edsall on a contract with no buyout and a bunch of interns as assistants the program looks like it did under him and somehow people conclude the FB program will nevet be anything more than that, when they already showed they were capable of far more than that.

I only mentioned Calhoun in regards to him acknowledging how important FB was to the long term stability of the school and BB programs. This is why you see Hurley and Geno super pumped that the program showed signs of life in year 1 under Mora. Those guys looke genuinely stoked.

They cannot sit on their hands and let thia slip away. It is literally the drowing man scenario playing out.
 
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