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Does RIP make the Hall of Fame this round?

superjohn said:
I think Bird has somehow become the most underrated person in sports along with Marino. I love Duncan but he just wasn't as good as Bird IMO. The only thing that slowed BIrd down was his back, he simply dominated the mid 80's.. Duncan was significantly better defensively (Bird's D underrated) and a better rebounder (hard to believe Bird only averaged 1 fewer rebound per game) but Bird was better at every single other aspect of the game and if I want anybody in the history of basketball taking the last shot it's Larry Bird.

If players are somewhat close I will always take the more unstopoable offensive player/shot maker. It's why I take Dirk over Garnett, KG simply couldn't completely carry a team and win it all like Dirk did in 2011.

Duncan is top 10, right there with Hakeem and Shaq, IMO.
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I agree when Bird was healthy he was dominant. The Celtics, Lakers and Pistons were such powerful teams, Michael Jordan did not win a championship in his first 7 NBA seasons. Let that sink in.
 
name this UConn guy not in the hall of fame.
nba all time rank:
games 13
minutes 23
fg made 53
3pt 54
ft attempts 74
steals 57
blocks 43
points 48
defensive win shares 33
fouls 8!
pretty good, huh?
 
CL82 said:
He's certainly worthy. He was a great college athlete, a champion both in college and as pro, his motor was legendary. With game on the line he a great option. He's due. It is well deserved.

Swin Cash is up for it too.
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I think he gets in eventually and deservedly so. He only made 3 all star games but when your in a conference with Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady and Gilbert "I have a pistol" Arenas youre bound to get left out. I just dont think hes a first ballot guy.
 
Wasn't he one of the few that one a state championship in HS (Coatesville, PA), NCAA and NBA championship?
 
Love RIP, one of the greatest Huskies def top 10 maybe even better than that but he is not a HOFer. And as much as I love Duncan and his amazing career (and damn lottery balls kept him off Celts), no way I take him over Bird. in his absolute prime, Bird was a top 5 player I ever saw play.
 
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superjohn said:
I think Bird has somehow become the most underrated person in sports along with Marino. I love Duncan but he just wasn't as good as Bird IMO. The only thing that slowed BIrd down was his back, he simply dominated the mid 80's.. Duncan was significantly better defensively (Bird's D underrated) and a better rebounder (hard to believe Bird only averaged 1 fewer rebound per game) but Bird was better at every single other aspect of the game and if I want anybody in the history of basketball taking the last shot it's Larry Bird.

If players are somewhat close I will always take the more unstopoable offensive player/shot maker. It's why I take Dirk over Garnett, KG simply couldn't completely carry a team and win it all like Dirk did in 2011.

Duncan is top 10, right there with Hakeem and Shaq, IMO.
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That's just where we differ preferentially then. I'm always gonna take the most complete player, as long as they are elite at their respective skills. They can impact the game in more ways. In that vein, I take Garnett over Dirk simply because of his dominance at both ends. And Dirk's one of my favorite NBA players ever. Would kill to see Dirk in his prime with Luca.

For last shot, I'm going with MJ, because he can get more shots, but would not be at all disappointed with Bird.

Either way, we're splitting hairs. Idk if Bird is underrated (I mean we are discussing Top 6 guys ever here), maybe that's due to how long ago it was. I personally think one of the most underrated (hard to call most) is Charles Barkley.
 
CL82 said:
He's certainly worthy. He was a great college athlete, a champion both in college and as pro, his motor was legendary. With game on the line he a great option. He's due. It is well deserved.

Swin Cash is up for it too.
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Loved Rip's game and he was certainly a great college player, but I don't think his pro career was quite good enough for him to make the HOF. I would be happy to be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.
 
Huskybass said:
Loved Rip's game and he was certainly a great college player, but I don't think his pro career was quite good enough for him to make the HOF. I would be happy to be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.
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This is where I differ from many on this topic. It isn't the NBA HoF. It's the Basketball HoF. Rip was a McD's AA, NCAA First Team AA, Final Four MOP on Champ Team, won NBA championship and made a few All-Star teams. He excelled at three levels of basketball. He should be in.
 
He probably won’t get in but if someone important lobbied for him it’s possible (which doesn’t seem like something rip would care for.) Non-nba basketball accomplishments seem to be taken Into account more with foreign players. Most people forget about what rip did in college.
 
Chin Diesel said:
This is where I differ from many on this topic. It isn't the NBA HoF. It's the Basketball HoF. Rip was a McD's AA, NCAA First Team AA, Final Four MOP on Champ Team, won NBA championship and made a few All-Star teams. He excelled at three levels of basketball. He should be in.
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Sorry, all the pre NBA stuff helps a lot, but the overall body of work won't get him in. I am being objective, which apparently some UConn fans are not capable of. Rip only made 3 All Star teams in 14 years in the NBA. He was a very good pro, but in my opinion not quite HOF worthy. Then again, Calvin Murphy is in, so who knows?

I hope I am wrong, but I would be very surprised in Rip ever makes the HOF.
 
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Love the guy, but no. As @Huskybass said, 3 all-star seasons doesn't cut it where the Hall of Fame should be for players with prolonged excellence.

Random Rip stat: A career 34.6% 3 point shooter, Rip hit 45.8% of his threes in the 05-06 season.
 
Check that -- Danny Manning is in the College Hall of Fame, not the Basketball Hall of Fame. Thought I had a good comparison for a minute.
 
If Kevin Garnett was so great how come his Minnesota teams were terrible? He made one Conference finals as an alpha? Reggie Miller made six.

It took joining 2 other HOFers to sniff success.. And that interview with Bill Simmons, ya kidding me? Hate to break it to you KG, Lebron and Wade are significantly better than you.
 
UofCT2009 said:
If Kevin Garnett was so great how come his Minnesota teams were terrible? He made one Conference finals as an alpha? Reggie Miller made six.
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...Did you watch prime KG? If you did, you wouldn't be asking this question. He only played with two all-stars in Minnesota - Wally Szczerbiak in 2002 and Sam Cassell in 2004. No surprise that his only WCF appearance was when Minnesota got Cassell and he finally had a competent NBA player next to him. He CARRIED that franchise for a decade and had no help.

NBA MVP. 15 time all star. 9 All-NBA teams. 9 All-Defensive first teams. Led the NBA in rebounding 4 consecutive seasons. BuT hOw GooD wAs He?
 
Brochacho said:
...Did you watch prime KG? If you did, you wouldn't be asking this question. He only played with two all-stars in Minnesota - Wally Szczerbiak in 2002 and Sam Cassell in 2004. No surprise that his only WCF appearance was when Minnesota got Cassell and he finally had a competent NBA player next to him. He CARRIED that franchise for a decade and had no help.

NBA MVP. 15 time all star. 9 All-NBA teams. 9 All-Defensive first teams. Led the NBA in rebounding 4 consecutive seasons. BuT hOw GooD wAs He?
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KG did EVERYTHING in his prime. Great passer, rebounded well, scored well. Always played hard and tough on D. OG badass. All time great, no doubt. He was a treat to watch in his prime.
 
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Brochacho said:
...Did you watch prime KG? If you did, you wouldn't be asking this question. He only played with two all-stars in Minnesota - Wally Szczerbiak in 2002 and Sam Cassell in 2004. No surprise that his only WCF appearance was when Minnesota got Cassell and he finally had a competent NBA player next to him. He CARRIED that franchise for a decade and had no help.

NBA MVP. 15 time all star. 9 All-NBA teams. 9 All-Defensive first teams. Led the NBA in rebounding 4 consecutive seasons. BuT hOw GooD wAs He?
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He also, for better or worse, re opened the HS to the Pros floodgate that, IMO, changed the NBA draft forever.
 
Hey Adrien! said:
Love the guy, but no. As @Huskybass said, 3 all-star seasons doesn't cut it where the Hall of Fame should be for players with prolonged excellence.

Random Rip stat: A career 34.6% 3 point shooter, Rip hit 45.8% of his threes in the 05-06 season.
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You realize people are in the basketball HoF who have never made an all-star team or even played in the NBA, correct?
 
Chin Diesel said:
You realize people are in the basketball HoF who have never made an all-star team or even played in the NBA, correct?
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Yes, but it's usually for guys like Oscar Schmidt who were legends in their own right. Rip is an interesting case. I think Rip was one of the 5 best UConn players of all time, and a very good (not quite great) pro. I'd love to see him in the HOF but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it never happened.
 
Brochacho said:
...Did you watch prime KG? If you did, you wouldn't be asking this question. He only played with two all-stars in Minnesota - Wally Szczerbiak in 2002 and Sam Cassell in 2004. No surprise that his only WCF appearance was when Minnesota got Cassell and he finally had a competent NBA player next to him. He CARRIED that franchise for a decade and had no help.

NBA MVP. 15 time all star. 9 All-NBA teams. 9 All-Defensive first teams. Led the NBA in rebounding 4 consecutive seasons. BuT hOw GooD wAs He?
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He compiled stats on bad teams.
 
UofCT2009 said:
If Kevin Garnett was so great how come his Minnesota teams were terrible? He made one Conference finals as an alpha? Reggie Miller made six.
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Basketball is a team sport and Reggie Miller's supporting cast was much better than KG's in his prime.
 
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Woodson said:
Is Bosh really a lock? He put numbers up in Toronto and went the playoffs a couple of years. Then opted to be a role player for the Heat. Numbers might show otherwise but I always remember him being pretty soft in the playoffs for the Heat too. Unfortunately had his career cut short due to health.

Maybe I just didn’t see enough of him but always thought he rode LeBrons coattails.
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Career highlights and awards
That looks like a HOF resume to me.
 
Huskybass said:
Career highlights and awards
That looks like a HOF resume to me.
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Bosh was third fiddle at best on both his Championship teams and his Wikipedia highlight box hardly stacks up to Garnett's.

How is he a HoFer and KG not?

Career highlights and awards
 
Husky25 said:
Bosh was third fiddle at best on both his Championship teams and his Wikipedia highlight box hardly stacks up to Garnett's.

How is he a HoFer and KG not?

Career highlights and awards
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Nobody who should be taken seriously thinks Garnett isn’t a hall of gamer.
 
Husky25 said:
Bosh was third fiddle at best on both his Championship teams and his Wikipedia highlight box hardly stacks up to Garnett's.

How is he a HoFer and KG not?

Career highlights and awards
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Garnett is an absolute lock. Did anyone say otherwise?
 
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