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Do You Agree With Charlie Creme?

I think CC is trying to mind read the committee, rather than stating his true preferences. Baylor is this year’s recipient of the Brenda Frese Smackdown Award. They’re being punished for a really lame OOC schedule. Brenda seems to have gotten the message, although the Terps completely scuppered their shot at hosting. So where do you send Baylor, the strongest #2 seed? Spokane would make the most sense, since ND is the weakest #1 seed, but that would mean that Oregon would have to play somewhere outside the Northwest. Can’t send them to Albany, since UConn is the overall #1 seed. That leaves KC and Lexington. With MSSU’s loss, they may drop to 3rd #1 seed, and it would make more sense to have Baylor play in KC. As for Texas, they might head to Albany and SC might go to Lexington. In other words, there are other considerations besides logic here, I.e., filling as many seats as possible.
 
Big Baylor fan tonight! Seems pretty unfair to place the defending national champs agaisnt the odds on favorite to win it this year. Had SC lost yesterday I would argue that Texas deserves to go to Kansas City. But not only should the Committee weigh the teams body of work but fan base and potential matchups. I think placing Baylor in the KC region with MS St. would be a great matchup again and as well as SC vs Louisville in Lexington.
 
JordyG said:
Don't misunderstand me. I love A'ja. I love her game, her personality, how she deals with others, her family. I love Dawn and what she's building down there. I love that passionate fanbase that WCBB needs more of. But honestly, she can try to put that team on her back against UConn and score 40 with 30 shots and they'll still lose by 20. By the 4th quarter it'll be a layup drill for UConn with the rest of the players on SCar unable to score, since they haven't been involved for the first 3Q's.
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20? You’re too kind...
 
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EricLA said:
That's a pretty big assumption. The last game was very competitive and Baylor lost their starting PG. Not saying Texas will win, but I'd not be surprised to see either team win, and I'm not sure Baylor, without Wallace, is favored by more than a few points....
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Maybe the smog is bad today and you misremembered but Baylor had the second game on 7-12 point advantage from the end of the 3rd quarter on and was never seriously challenged. I agree Wallace was their Kia, however they also have a very good freshmanMorris who is playing very well so I don’t think they miss a beat here. I am rooting for Texas but my money is heavily on BU!
 
vowelguy said:
Are there any Duke fans besides @triaddukefan ? Even @CamrnCrz1974 seems to have wavered under JPM. :)
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Cant speak fot Tri or Cam, but I will say these last few years have been rough in terms of post season success and injuries.

I do continuously find some time throughout the day to visit this board, just haven't had to much to say haha. Imo, this is the best source of insight to the sport.
 
ochoopsfan said:
I have no idea how Dayton is in the Tournament.
They have zero wins against anyone other than a 10 seed Virginia, who I am not certain should be there either.
They have losses vs St. Louis 121 RPI and George Washington in the A-10 tournament. GW had a 89 RPI going into that game and was a 5 seed vs a 1 seed. The St Louis loss came at the end of the year too.
Nothing on their resume gets them in the NCAA, IMO.

Does anyone see something I dont?
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I thought the same about Dayton. They beat Virginia but Virginia stinks. They really do. No offense or shooters.
 
ochoopsfan said:
I have no idea how Dayton is in the Tournament.
They have zero wins against anyone other than a 10 seed Virginia, who I am not certain should be there either.
They have losses vs St. Louis 121 RPI and George Washington in the A-10 tournament. GW had a 89 RPI going into that game and was a 5 seed vs a 1 seed. The St Louis loss came at the end of the year too.
Nothing on their resume gets them in the NCAA, IMO.

Does anyone see something I dont?
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I don't understand it at all either.

If they're giving bids to teams that have only one good win, how does Dayton get placed ahead of Oklahoma, who has a win against a much better team (South Florida) than Virginia?

If they do let Dayton in, it's only because of a high RPI (33), but again Oklahoma is even higher (32).
 
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I laud @JavaMan for his efforts to enlighten us, but the more I think about his title, I realize he’s setting us all up for ridicule- I mean who in their right mind can say “Yes” to that question and not get mocked...:rolleyes:
 
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vowelguy said:
Teams from the same conference in the top 16 must be placed in different regions.
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The top 4 teams from same conference. This year the SEC is likely to have 5 in the top 16, which obviously forces the 5th team to share a region with another SEC team.
 
Plebe said:
The top 4 teams from same conference. This year the SEC is likely to have 5 in the top 16, which obviously forces the 5th team to share a region with another SEC team.
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Yes, but it will not be a 1 and 2 in the same. It will be a 2&4 or 3&4.
 
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bleedblue3 said:
Charlie has a potential Duke/UConn match up in the Sweet Sixteen. It would makes for some interesting story lines for TV
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A better story line would be a UConn TN match up in Albany.
 
Crème revised his bracket; but, it remains unchanged for the Top 8.

Obviously, he is trying to predict what the committee is going to do; so, he made no changes at the top since the February 19 reveal.

Bracketology with Charlie Creme
 
Those of you who are predicting Texas as the Albany #2 seed may be right, as are those who predict Baylor as the 4th #1 seed. Do you realize what that means for UConn's road to a National Championship? Texas in the Elite 8, Baylor in the National Semifinal, and probably Mississippi State in the Final. If they win an NC via that route, they will have met every test. And they will certainly become accustomed to looking up at 6-7 opposing posts.
 
I doubt Baylor jumps to a #1 seed for beating Texas, a team they had already beaten twice, last night.

Miss. State, the SEC regular season champion, lost in the conference tournament championship game to a team they had already beaten once. SEC a much tougher conference than the Big 12.

ND is not dropping to a #2 seed. They are the #1 RPI team in the country, even with 3 losses. Their resume is so much better than Baylor's it's not even funny.
 
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southie said:
I doubt Baylor jumps to a #1 seed for beating Texas, a team they had already beaten twice, last night.

Miss. State, the SEC regular season champion, lost in the conference tournament championship game to a team they had already beaten once. SEC a much tougher conference than the Big 12.

ND is not dropping to a #2 seed. They are the #1 RPI team in the country, even with 3 losses. Their resume is so much better than Baylor's it's not even funny.
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Where do you personally see Texas? Kansas City or Albany?
 
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southie said:
I doubt Baylor jumps to a #1 seed for beating Texas, a team they had already beaten twice, last night.

Miss. State, the SEC regular season champion, lost in the conference tournament championship game to a team they had already beaten once. SEC a much tougher conference than the Big 12.

ND is not dropping to a #2 seed. They are the #1 RPI team in the country, even with 3 losses. Their resume is so much better than Baylor's it's not even funny.
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Notre Dame's resume is largely built around losing to 1 seeds. This does not prove that they themselves are a 1 seed. If RPI is your metric of choice, Baylor is number 4, a 1 seed. That is the lowest any metric or poll has Baylor. Basically every other ranking has us at number 2 overall. It would be a travesty to give us a 2 seed, no matter your thoughts on scheduling.
 
Despite Mississippi State now picking up a loss, most still consider them a lock for a 1 seed. I have no problem with this, and I think they are a top 3 team nationally. However, I don't understand how they are considered a lock for a top seed while Baylor is expected to get a 2. Mississippi State is now 5th in RPI, which is claimed to be the key metric. They have an RPI SOS of 21, basically the same as Baylor's at 25 (as a side note, I hate bringing up both RPI and RPI SOS, since RPI largely IS SOS, but that is another battle). Massey and Sagarin have Baylor with a stronger schedule, though I realize that likely won't be considered. All metrics I can find have Baylor over Mississippi State. So why is one a lock and the other consider a long shot?

I don't bring this up to argue that Mississippi State should be a 2 seed, because I think they are deserving. I just wanted to highlight some confusing logic that Creme, and perhaps the committee, tends to indulge in.

On the men's side, it has been made known that the committee is de-emphasizing the RPI, and allowing advanced metrics like Massey, Sagarin, KenPom, and ESPN's strength of record. Does anyone know if there is any equivalent movement on the women's side, or will they continue to cling to RPI like it is 1983?
 
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