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Do we move up?!?

aburks41 said:
1) Arizona
2) Kansas
3) Houston
4) Purdue
5) UConn
6) Marquette
7) Baylor

Although I could very easily see UConn at 6 and Marquette at 5.

It sucks that we are literally 1 Cam Spencer missed 3 away from being the undisputed #1 - without our lottery pick PG. Ugh.
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I think the only question is Purdue and UConn. As we have seen losses against certain teams can be better than wins against cupcakes. UConn loss should not hurt as much as the loses that Purdue and Marquette had. So you drop Purdue the most. Marquette the second most and UConn gets the smallest drop. In that equation you are probably right about your type five list have though about it a little more.
 
Dibbie said:
Why only consider what happened during the weekend? Miami got destroyed in KY and Duke lost twice. They should both drop considerably.
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Depends on how the pollsters react to a big loss for Miami @Kentucky.

I don’t think Kentucky is a bad loss for Miami as much as Kentucky sleeping at home to UNCW. Kentucky should fall harder than Miami in my opinion.

I’m also factoring in how many top 15 losses there were this weekend.
 
I hate Purdue as much as the next guy but I do think they had one of the best non conference runs. Beat Marquette Gonzaga and Tennessee, have no issue with keeping them high for their wins, think we stay around where we are…. Also Duke should not be ranked, their resume sucks
 
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HooperScooper said:
Gary Parrish of CBSSports.com just released his updated Top 25 and 1. From yesterday's version he moved UConn up 1 spot, from 6 to 5.

www.cbssports.com

College basketball rankings: Kentucky drops in Top 25 And 1 after home loss to UNCW caps a wild day of upsets

The Top 25 And 1 gets shuffled after losses by the Wildcats, Villanova and Duke on Saturday
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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Tennessee has lost 3 straight (albeit to good teams) and Parrish moved them up 2 spots. What a crazy weekend of college bball.
 
UKemba15 said:
Tennessee has lost 3 straight (albeit to good teams) and Parrish moved them up 2 spots. What a crazy weekend of college bball.
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Yeah, crazy. It's not who you beat but who you lost to .
 
The likelihood we end up above Purdue tomorrow is very close to 0. Poll inertia is in now that things are more settled post feast week. We're not going to pass a team that was 3 spots ahead of us when both us and them lost once during the week. The opponent doesn't matter at long as they're not 300+.
 
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CTBasketball said:
Get out of here!
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Was sitting at the bar with my buddy from like 8-12. I’m gonna guess you’re either the guy I talked to about Winning Time or the guy and the whalers jersey
 
krinklecut said:
Was sitting at the bar with my buddy from like 8-12. I’m gonna guess you’re either the guy I talked to about Winning Time or the guy and the whalers jersey
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Hahahaha small world, nah but I was at the table with the guy with the Whalers jersey. One of my buddies.
 
I know Purdue beat good teams, but their loss is significantly worse than ours. We looked like a buzzsaw until going into the toughest environment in the country, top 5 team, and lost on a buzzer beater. I think that context matters too, but the difference between Purdue and UConn is marginal either way.
 
Huskyforlife said:
I know Purdue beat good teams, but their loss is significantly worse than ours. We looked like a buzzsaw until going into the toughest environment in the country, top 5 team, and lost on a buzzer beater. I think that context matters too, but the difference between Purdue and UConn is marginal either way.
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They're ranked higher in the predictive models, the resume models, and they were near unanimous #1 in the human polls this week before they (and us) lost. There's no justification for us ahead of them except "better loss", which is only 1 piece of resume. If we had a better win than N-Texas, then maybe there would be a conversation, but their resume is lightyears beyond ours at this point. Their 3rd best win is better than our best win.
 
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auror said:
They're ranked higher in the predictive models, the resume models, and they were near unanimous #1 in the human polls this week before they (and us) lost. There's no justification for us ahead of them except "better loss", which is only 1 piece of resume. If we had a better win than N-Texas, then maybe there would be a conversation, but their resume is lightyears beyond ours at this point. Their 3rd best win is better than our best win.
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Are those predictive models still using data from last season? The human polls are subjective and have pre season bias that needs to start being baked out, now that we have current data and results to rank off of.

And I did acknowledge they have better wins, but I’d argue losing to the now 48th best team(Kenpom), is significant when we’re nitpicking 1 or 2 spot differences in the pole.
 
Huskyforlife said:
Are those predictive models still using data from last season? The human polls are subjective and have pre season bias that needs to start being baked out, now that we have current data and results to rank off of.

And I did acknowledge they have better wins, but I’d argue losing to the now 48th best team(Kenpom), is significant when we’re nitpicking 1 or 2 spot differences in the pole.
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But you're leaving out that it was also on the road in OT to 49th. so it's an overtime quad 1 loss. It's not a bad loss. Worse than at Kansas, sure, but it's 1 result and it does not make up the difference (their resume model WAB score is literally double ours).

And yes, if you remove pre-season bias on Torvik, Purdue's predictive rating is better than ours (but it's close).
 
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auror said:
But you're leaving out that it was also on the road in OT to 49th. so it's an overtime quad 1 loss. It's not a bad loss. Worse than at Kansas, sure, but it's 1 result and it does not make up the difference (their resume model WAB score is literally double ours).

And yes, if you remove pre-season bias on Torvik, Purdue's predictive rating is better than ours (but it's close).
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If roles were reversed they’d drop us 7 spots lol. Miss me with all this newfound “context” in AP voting
 
auror said:
They're ranked higher in the predictive models, the resume models, and they were near unanimous #1 in the human polls this week before they (and us) lost. There's no justification for us ahead of them except "better loss", which is only 1 piece of resume. If we had a better win than N-Texas, then maybe there would be a conversation, but their resume is lightyears beyond ours at this point. Their 3rd best win is better than our best win.
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I think you can make a case for UConn / Purdue next to each other in any order. I do think at AFH is the least bad loss you can have. And given that we had a chance to win if Spencer hits a 3 (or we make FTs) it's hard to ding us much for that. So I'd put UConn ahead of Purdue.
 
Purdue beat Xavier, Tennessee, Gonzaga and Marquette and that counts right? They don’t only look at the losses. I’m good no matter where they put us we have so much more season and so much moving around. Wins, losses their all coming so no need to worry where we are on Dec 4.. just hope everyone is healthy soon!
 
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I’m guessing #5 behind Arizona, Kansas, Houston, and Purdue although it wouldn’t surprise me if we were 6 or 7. If we were Duke they’d put us at #3 where we belong but we’re not and they won’t. Even with a “good” loss, the pollsters love dropping us like we’re wearing concrete shoes.
 
looking at the rankings now -- is james madison just going to hang out in the top 25 all season? they have only beaten one "good" team and don't play anyone else for the rest of the season.

they're ranked #73 in kenpom.
 
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