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Do we move up?!?

Huskyforlife said:
I know Purdue beat good teams, but their loss is significantly worse than ours. We looked like a buzzsaw until going into the toughest environment in the country, top 5 team, and lost on a buzzer beater. I think that context matters too, but the difference between Purdue and UConn is marginal either way.
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They're ranked higher in the predictive models, the resume models, and they were near unanimous #1 in the human polls this week before they (and us) lost. There's no justification for us ahead of them except "better loss", which is only 1 piece of resume. If we had a better win than N-Texas, then maybe there would be a conversation, but their resume is lightyears beyond ours at this point. Their 3rd best win is better than our best win.
 
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auror said:
They're ranked higher in the predictive models, the resume models, and they were near unanimous #1 in the human polls this week before they (and us) lost. There's no justification for us ahead of them except "better loss", which is only 1 piece of resume. If we had a better win than N-Texas, then maybe there would be a conversation, but their resume is lightyears beyond ours at this point. Their 3rd best win is better than our best win.
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Are those predictive models still using data from last season? The human polls are subjective and have pre season bias that needs to start being baked out, now that we have current data and results to rank off of.

And I did acknowledge they have better wins, but I’d argue losing to the now 48th best team(Kenpom), is significant when we’re nitpicking 1 or 2 spot differences in the pole.
 
Huskyforlife said:
Are those predictive models still using data from last season? The human polls are subjective and have pre season bias that needs to start being baked out, now that we have current data and results to rank off of.

And I did acknowledge they have better wins, but I’d argue losing to the now 48th best team(Kenpom), is significant when we’re nitpicking 1 or 2 spot differences in the pole.
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But you're leaving out that it was also on the road in OT to 49th. so it's an overtime quad 1 loss. It's not a bad loss. Worse than at Kansas, sure, but it's 1 result and it does not make up the difference (their resume model WAB score is literally double ours).

And yes, if you remove pre-season bias on Torvik, Purdue's predictive rating is better than ours (but it's close).
 
auror said:
But you're leaving out that it was also on the road in OT to 49th. so it's an overtime quad 1 loss. It's not a bad loss. Worse than at Kansas, sure, but it's 1 result and it does not make up the difference (their resume model WAB score is literally double ours).

And yes, if you remove pre-season bias on Torvik, Purdue's predictive rating is better than ours (but it's close).
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If roles were reversed they’d drop us 7 spots lol. Miss me with all this newfound “context” in AP voting
 
auror said:
They're ranked higher in the predictive models, the resume models, and they were near unanimous #1 in the human polls this week before they (and us) lost. There's no justification for us ahead of them except "better loss", which is only 1 piece of resume. If we had a better win than N-Texas, then maybe there would be a conversation, but their resume is lightyears beyond ours at this point. Their 3rd best win is better than our best win.
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I think you can make a case for UConn / Purdue next to each other in any order. I do think at AFH is the least bad loss you can have. And given that we had a chance to win if Spencer hits a 3 (or we make FTs) it's hard to ding us much for that. So I'd put UConn ahead of Purdue.
 
Purdue beat Xavier, Tennessee, Gonzaga and Marquette and that counts right? They don’t only look at the losses. I’m good no matter where they put us we have so much more season and so much moving around. Wins, losses their all coming so no need to worry where we are on Dec 4.. just hope everyone is healthy soon!
 
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I’m guessing #5 behind Arizona, Kansas, Houston, and Purdue although it wouldn’t surprise me if we were 6 or 7. If we were Duke they’d put us at #3 where we belong but we’re not and they won’t. Even with a “good” loss, the pollsters love dropping us like we’re wearing concrete shoes.
 
looking at the rankings now -- is james madison just going to hang out in the top 25 all season? they have only beaten one "good" team and don't play anyone else for the rest of the season.

they're ranked #73 in kenpom.
 
Duke should move up, best 5-3 team ever and Ga Tech used to be good. Don’t forget in 2004 they were buried in the championship game by some team that Duke should have beaten in the semis but the refs gave the game to who ever they were playing.
 
elmcityboy said:
looking at the rankings now -- is james madison just going to hang out in the top 25 all season? they have only beaten one "good" team and don't play anyone else for the rest of the season.

they're ranked #73 in kenpom.
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Yes, which is why it was dumb to rank them at the time.
 
Purdue at #3 is bogus. Lost to an unranked Northwestern team who is still unranked. Us dropping to #5 is understandable but we have a better loss then the Boilermakers.
 
YoungFree said:
Purdue at #3 is bogus. Lost to an unranked Northwestern team who is still unranked. Us dropping to #5 is understandable but we have a better loss then the Boilermakers.
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Well they're #4 so...
 

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