Dez let's P play the talent card some more

[RedStickHusky]

i agree; we don't have the talent to overcome our coaching. when we do, we'll apparantly have the right coaches in place. On talent, this team could've gone 9-3...

 

[UC990411]

i agree; we don't have the talent to overcome our coaching. when we do, we'll apparantly have the right coaches in place. On talent, this team could've gone 9-3...

Do you think Dez knows this, or do you think he's that oblivious?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

But this is exactly why the hire was so duck*ing dumb. Even if you didn't know P would be as bad a coach as he has been here, it still didn't make sense. He was never going to win with Edsall's guys. Him winning would require 4 or 5 years of bringing in his own, presumably more talented, guys based on his being a better recruiter. The problem with that strategy, obviously, is that by the time you're into P's 4th and 5th years, and you're now hoping to get ahead of where we were, P's age is such that he could be slowing down, if not out, at any moment.

It was never just P's age -- it was P's age added to the 4 or 5 years any idiot (thank you Jeff hathaway) should have known it would take P to improve the program.

This!

Absolutely this!

Even if somehow what they are trying to sell us is true, by the time we're ready to hit stride the guy in charge will be collecting social security.

 

[huskymedic]

This!

Abso****inglutely this!

Even if somehow what they are trying to sell us is true, by the time we're ready to hit stride the guy in charge will be collecting social security.

Bill Snyder is 72 (just saying) Sorry - it was a softball to hit.

... and no, PP is no BS

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Last year, with the QB situation we were not going to win more than 6-7 games.
The real question is, why haven't we progressed from last year with a better defense and a solid improvement at QB.

I have to disagree with you here.

Better coaching (not great, merely better than what we had) and it would not be unreasonable to believe that we could have won four out of our losses to Vandy, ISU, WMU, Pitt, Louisville & Cincinnati.

We were completely unprepared at kickoff for WMU, UL & UC (which has to fall at the feet of the head coach) yet we got back into the WMU game and nearly got back in the UL & UC games (if we weren't digging ourselves out of a major hole in each of those, we could have won all three. Pitt was somewhat similar to the other two mentioned BE losses and we actually had leads against Vandy & ISU.

It would not have required Vince Lombardi or Bill Walsh to have won at minimum a handful more games these past two seasons considered our opponents. I find it obscene that the talent card is being played and it is unfathomable that the press is leading the charge.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

"Pasqualoni and Deleone can't coach players up."

That's what you said, and that's what your entire thing I responded to was based on. It's a load of crap because it's pretty blatantly obvious that we've got more than a few players that have benefitted from the coachign they've gotten in the past two seasons, and some of them will play at the next level, that would not have been there otherwise, and if you've got some kind of foresight ability to know that a player coming out of high school, is capable of playing NFL football, I'd like to have your crystal ball.

Edsall's best recruiting class, was the class of 2007, the same year that Edsall started seriously looking for work elsewhere. Recruiting went downhill, now, with the benefit of hindsight, in a big way thereafter to the point by spring 2011, and Edsall leaving in the middle of the night, we were worse off than any of us outside, looking in, imagined.

If you don't agree with me, that's fine. We disagree.

Carl,

Someone who spent his first couple of years telling the rest of the board that he played for UConn when we were in the Yankee Conference should know enough about the personality of college aged football players (especially those who were never highly toutes, such as the standard UConn recruit) to realize that they will normally play the role of good soldier and generally offer praise for any instruction received.

 

[sportsart]

Media says....

Edsall is quiet = p.rick

PP talks = great guy

 

[ctchamps]

But this is exactly why the hire was so duck*ing dumb. Even if you didn't know P would be as bad a coach as he has been here, it still didn't make sense. He was never going to win with Edsall's guys. Him winning would require 4 or 5 years of bringing in his own, presumably more talented, guys based on his being a better recruiter. The problem with that strategy, obviously, is that by the time you're into P's 4th and 5th years, and you're now hoping to get ahead of where we were, P's age is such that he could be slowing down, if not out, at any moment.

It was never just P's age -- it was P's age added to the 4 or 5 years any idiot (thank you Jeff hathaway) should have known it would take P to improve the program.

I got the impression Jeff was more concerned about having an agreeable coach as opposed to a fiery good coach! Plus he wanted to stick it to Burton. JH was a horrible AD imo.

 

[RMoore1999]

But this is exactly why the hire was so duck*ing dumb. Even if you didn't know P would be as bad a coach as he has been here, it still didn't make sense. He was never going to win with Edsall's guys. Him winning would require 4 or 5 years of bringing in his own, presumably more talented, guys based on his being a better recruiter. The problem with that strategy, obviously, is that by the time you're into P's 4th and 5th years, and you're now hoping to get ahead of where we were, P's age is such that he could be slowing down, if not out, at any moment.

It was never just P's age -- it was P's age added to the 4 or 5 years any idiot (thank you Jeff hathaway) should have known it would take P to improve the program.

"But this is exactly why the hire was so duck*ing dumb."

 

[HuskyBarker]

Do you think Dez knows this, or do you think he's that oblivious?

I vote for oblivious !

 

[ZooCougar]

I don't think Pasqualoni is a better recruiter. And I don't believe he is a better developer.

One really oustanding thing I will say about Edsall, is that he could find tremendous value where others missed it. He could do this in most areas except for WR and QB. If he could recuit and evaluate QBs as well as CBs and LBs then he would be at a much better school than Maryland right now.

Most of those two star kids Edsall recruited were really "three star" types whatever that means. The definition of 4 Stars means something like "instant impact". We had players like Darius Butler, Jasper Howard and others come in and make relatively instant impacts. Some were really 4 stars in all actuality.

BREAK

This is what we are realistically looking at.

Most of the best of Edsall's legacy players are done at UConn. Some of these guys will play on Sundays.

Brace yourself for the ugliest UConn football that you can imagine. Losing to Randy in the Rent could be the tipping point. If he has any love for his old program, he will show it no mercy. And do his part to flush this waste down the toilet once and for all.

Michigan? That could be a hot ticket. You guys really think the Michigan fans are going to turn out in droves for that one? Doubt it. It won't be much hard than normal to get a ticket for that game. Michigan doesn't perceive UConn as a threat. They will watch Michigan take care of business from their own homes while flipping back and forth from a more consequential game.

When looking at Pasqualoni, realistically and rationally. I think it's reasonable to say that he could still win 4-6 games. 4 games is almost a lock.

 

[RedStickHusky]

P may be a better recruiter; he may run better practices; he may be better in dealing with the adminstration and the press; and we may need a couple more years to really know any of this. In the meantime, this staff cannot manage a game. Timeouts, playcalling, substitions, basic clock management and game strategy are all horrendous. So, while there may be a level of talent we could someday attain to overcome these obstacles, I'd much rather see game day coaching that would allow our players to squeeze some results from the talent we have. Hanging your just got blasted QB out to dry on an unprotected trick play in a close game in the 4th qtr is just the latest example.

 

[ruskin]

P may be a better recruiter; he may run better practices; he may be better in dealing with the adminstration and the press; and we may need a couple more years to really know any of this. In the meantime, this staff cannot manage a game. Timeouts, playcalling, substitions, basic clock management and game strategy are all horrendous. So, while there may be a level of talent we could someday attain to overcome these obstacles, I'd much rather see game day coaching that would allow our players to squeeze some results from the talent we have. Hanging your just got blasted QB out to dry on an unprotected trick play in a close game in the 4th qtr is just the latest example.

Don't forget the two timeouts during the Whitmer to wildcat switch

 

[FBUCONN]

D. Conner talks to PP--it's a "excuse making" competition. Believe me both are quite familiar with the technique!

 

[uconnflyer88]

I don't believe Delahunt is NFL caliber.

If you want to make the argument they are capable of coaching up players the way the prior staff did, please do better. Show me how the O-line got better after GDL took over responsibilities.

He took over the duties last year, meaning this was his first year implementing a new blocking scheme with an entirely brand new offensive line.....christ almighty at LEAST give him a year to get it inplace

Tell me which walk-ons they are going to coach up into the NFL.

Please for the love of God no....maybe if we want to head to the MAC, but if we want to progess our program the goal should NOT be to take walk ons and make them NFL caliber, if it happens...it happens, but for the love of God not the goal

Making **** up? Please. You're the one who was overjoyed at the fact Foley was taken off the OL and GDL was taking over. How did that work out for us this year?

See my above comment
.

 

[BlueMAB]

He took over the duties last year, meaning this was his first year implementing a new blocking scheme with an entirely brand new offensive line.....christ almighty at LEAST give him a year to get it inplace

Please for the love of God no....maybe if we want to head to the MAC, but if we want to progess our program the goal should NOT be to take walk ons and make them NFL caliber, if it happens...it happens, but for the love of God not the goal

No, this was the second year implementing the scheme, and they only replaced 2 starters on the OL, not the entire line. Foley is more than competent. GDL is trying to make a round peg fit a square hole.

I never said that was the goal. It's an example of the quality of the coaching that we HAD at the OL.

1) your facts are wrong
2) you've created a strawman and missed my point
3) you're responding to an argument somebody else made and doing a poor job supporting it.

 

[BlueDogs]

Keeping PP and GDL is just another year lost. Whether he was good once, better or worse than RE is all irrelevant. What is relevant is there is no progress from season to season, or over the course of each season. PP had one of the top defenses in the country and even with an average offense could have had 8 wins. I don't see how anybody can rightly conclude he needs more time when there is no indication of basic on field improvement. A close look at PP's glory years reveals he came into a strong program under McPherson and he basically rode that out and enjoyed unique access to talent with limited local options. He shows steady decline over time with a few good years based on getting a few superstars that kept him above average. As more competitive programs arise in the northeast, he started failing. Look at his record from 99-2004. Big East rises, talent pool shrinks, and PP starts having to coach.

 

[uconnflyer88]

No, this was the second year implementing the scheme, and they only replaced 2 starters on the OL, not the entire line. Foley is more than competent. GDL is trying to make a round peg fit a square hole.

I never said that was the goal. It's an example of the quality of the coaching that we HAD at the OL.

1) your facts are wrong
2) you've created a strawman and missed my point
3) you're responding to an argument somebody else made and doing a poor job supporting it.

I don't want to get into a huge argument because this is a message board and conveying points is so difficult because there are 500 of them in one thread and its hard to follow just one, so if you want to sit down and have a beer I'd be more than happy to explain to you coherently why you couldn't be more wrong, but until then I'll say this:

This is from the UConn website:

"He has position responsibility with for the offensive line in 2012 after working with the tight ends last season."

So he has only been working with the O-line for probably less than a year...my facts are wrong?....shoot I mean the HCPP era hasn't even been two years yet (he came in Jan 2011).....how could GDL possibly of worked with the O-line for two years?

Square peg round hole? how do we know, we've seen 12 games of it....and to the people that say "well it wasn't working, so let's do something that does"....well when do you draw the line of "lets take a our lumps implementing a new system vice catering to the skill of the player?

This year we had the highest passing yards by a UConn since......well a long time, and that is IN SPITE of a porous offensive line learning a new scheme, I can only imagine what it will be like next year

However, I know that this post will get lost on the stubborn white noise of people that choose to see the glass half empty instead of half full regardless of what facts are put in front of them and I'm not knocking that, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Like I said, I'd more than happy to meet up at a bar (trying to make this comment as least creepy as possible), have a beer and discuss this because I truly think I can make you at least see my point which is....

Was the product on the field satisfactory? hell no
Was it what i expect when I pay to see UConn play? hell no
Did this team meet my expectations this year? hell no
Did I maybe expect a little too much considering a brand new QB and a totally new O-Line scheme? probably

But college football is a work in progess, and 12 games with an entirely new offensive system is not enough to call it bad, or not improving because if you sit there and say you saw no improvement from NC State to Louisville then you watched a different football team.

As far as developing kids, these coaches have been in their jobs since Jan 2011 and first worked with them Spring 2011...so maybe 18 months? and you want to knock them for not developing players.....seriously?

It took FHCRE 8 years (more if you can AA) to produce a 1st round draft pick and took HCPP a year to put Reyes in the second round (if you think he would have come off at that time or earlier if RE was coaching you're high)

I'm sorry, my rant is over, I can feel the fingers on keyboards getting ready to rip me apart.....

#BleedBlue #HuskyForLife

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

You're going to get ripped apart because the blocking scheme has been in place for 2 years now. Foley was the OL coach in 2011 but they were running DeLeone's scheme.

You also may want to take a look at GDL's track record his last 10 years as OC at Cuse, Temple, and here. It's posted in another thread. It's mind boggling that he can even find employment anywhere.

 

[SAMCRO]

Forget learning new schemes, etc.... just look at play calling, clock management, and in game adjustments over the past two seasons. This alone should be enough evidence that PP and GDL gotta go. We had the talent to at the very least become bowl eligible the last two seasons. I'm not saying we should have won the BE (although that needs to be the goal), but 6 wins with our talent and the schedule we had was more than achievable in '11 and '12.

 

[BlueMAB]

What's the point of even trying to have a discussion with someone who thinks the OC didn't play a role with the OL for an entire season while instituting his entirely new blocking scheme.

Even more ridiculous would be trying to have a reasonable discussion with someone who credits PP for helping Kendall Reyes to the NFL after coaching him for one of his five years in college rather than the guy who coached him for 5 years. Hank Hughes.

That was an epic fail of a rant.