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Dez let's P play the talent card some more
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I don't think his response was so bad. The statement was about how much better the talent at Rutgers and Cinci was and that could have opened to door for him to make all sorts of excuses regarding what type of talent he was left by Edsall. The fact is that he was not left much talent when he came aboard, especially at the skilled positions. We played a walk-on QB and FR TB last year because the alternatives were either other FR or players with no game experience. I think he has been an upgrade to recuiting and if he would just get rid of the OC we would be in a better place.
Look what Edsall has done to a program that was considered to have a lot of remaining talent with some all conference and All America candidates.
Look what Edsall has done to a program that was considered to have a lot of remaining talent with some all conference and All America candidates.
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We have a lack of talent alright, in the coaching department. The in game management of personnel, clock, play calling, adjustments on the offensive side of the ball were...offensive. We had a top 20 defense and a bottom 5 offense. Explain how we have the talent to go on the road and beat BE Co-Champion and BCS bound Louisville, but not the talent to beat NCSU at home, WMU, Temple at home, and USF (3 of those schools fired their coaches this year and the other that just moved up from the MAC).
Maybe where DC is confused is we're not talking about having the talent to win the BE the past two years, we're not talking about the talent to be 10-2, 9-3... We are talking about the talent to win 6 or more games against a relatively weak schedule and get us in a bowl game. I still believe with our personnel and our schedule the past two years we were very capable of reaching anywhere from 7 to 9 wins/year.
IMO, more often than not, coaches win and lose close games a much if not more than players. I have heard people/reporters mention how we are a play away in 4 games of being 9-3. Bullsh!t. We are also a play or two away from losing to UMd, UB, Pitt, and UL. The reality is we are as close if not closer to being 1-11 than we are to 9-3. What a joke.
Maybe where DC is confused is we're not talking about having the talent to win the BE the past two years, we're not talking about the talent to be 10-2, 9-3... We are talking about the talent to win 6 or more games against a relatively weak schedule and get us in a bowl game. I still believe with our personnel and our schedule the past two years we were very capable of reaching anywhere from 7 to 9 wins/year.
IMO, more often than not, coaches win and lose close games a much if not more than players. I have heard people/reporters mention how we are a play away in 4 games of being 9-3. Bullsh!t. We are also a play or two away from losing to UMd, UB, Pitt, and UL. The reality is we are as close if not closer to being 1-11 than we are to 9-3. What a joke.
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I was not a fan of the Edsall "conservative approach", but its has been PAINFULLY apparent based on the last two years that he was an excellent coach and could develop his players very well! The guy did tremendous things with less talent than programs that had equal success.
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Other than Whitmer (who had JUCO experience), where are PP's kids. Whom among last years group and even a few from his first (and Randy's last) class have made much of an impact?
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Beginning to think that Dez and Jacobs (PP isn't getting fired) are part of the problem. I would think they'd know more about football. If they did they call a "spade a spade" Subpar talent (for this level of football) save for a few on defense and incompetent coaching that needs to be dismissed.
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This is why the media is screwing this up royally! Next year is the best recruiting class "on paper" Uconn has ever had, but there are only one or two players, at least that I see, that even have a chance to break into the lineup next year (That will be worked out in camp). I would love for the CT Media to ask this as a follow up question to P: "What will make NEXT years results different from the previous two? Especially when we are losing some KEY players on offense and defense......" If the answer is anything less than: "Well, I think we will all be pleased to see how our new Offensive Coordinator plans to integrate his high octane offensive approach with the current players on the roster" I'm gonna..... Well, I will be disappointed.
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If you cherry pick the losses, it's a talent issue.
But then how do explain the wins like beating the conference champion on the road?
But remember when we lost to USF by three points and Dez said we didn't have the "speed" to compete with USF. Problem was, we had beaten them the previous year. Dez, does a good job but this is a huge blind spot.
But then how do explain the wins like beating the conference champion on the road?
But remember when we lost to USF by three points and Dez said we didn't have the "speed" to compete with USF. Problem was, we had beaten them the previous year. Dez, does a good job but this is a huge blind spot.
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Have you followed Edsall at Maryland?
Did you forget putting 4 guys into the first two rounds of the NFL in a single season? Edsall had teams as talented as anyone in the league except for WVU.
Between the recent conference realignment and the likelyhood that the coaching staff is going to be retained I just have one word to describe the outlook of Uconn Football, Hopeless. It sucks the wind out of my sails and I just cant be motivated to spend money on this crappy program. Not only that but I find myself forcing myself to even watch this mess on tv. There is no excitement and no upside, there is no light at the end of the tunnel. This is a gigantic mess and the captain seems asleep at the wheel.
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I don't entirely disagree that we aren't the most talented team in the country, or even the Big East, so it isn't entirely inappropriate to point this out. Nobody can look at our receivers and say we have game breakers, for example. And nobody can look at the quarterback situation P inherited and say we were incredibly deep there. Even running back, I like McCombs but he's got some limitations to say the least. So saying we need to upgrade the skill positions is hardly earth shattering news. Now on the oline, I really think there is a huge difference in philosophy between the current guys and Edsall. Edsall took guys who were athletic but not necessarily polished "final products" and tired to coach them up, and did so fairly effectively. That is something you can do with offensive linemen in particular if you get the right players and the right system. These guys have a different approach. They are looking for more "finished products" so they can move on with more complex systems. Pasqualoni and DeLeone aren't that interested in taking a walk-on and making him All-Conference. To some degree, I think, this has always been Pasqualoni's plan. If you read about his "interview" all the reports were about how impressive his plan for upgrading recruiting was. Now we'll see if it comes to fruition, I guess.
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Edsall did an outstanding job here! We owe him a lot and should be grateful he was hired to move us up to the big leagues because he did a great job with the transition. I could care less about Maryland!!
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That's why this fallacy of him needing another year to get "his guys" blows me away. News flash: ANY NEW COACH HAS TO WIN WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S GUYS! Amazingly, some do! (Thanks, Don Brown!) If the baseline is truly to see what "P's guys" can do, then - he should be around for another 2-3 years right? And if you aren't going to do that, then why waste everyone's time having him back only one more year? Ugh shoot me now.
The talent level is not marginally higher or lower than when Edsall coached. A few NFL caliber players on defense, one, maybe two on offense.
The difference is Edsall was an average recruiter who can (and had assistants who can) coach players up. Don Brown coached players up. Look at the improvement in performance of the defense from the first few games last year to this year. And he did after losing almost his entire defensive line (which had all big east starters).
Pasqualoni and Deleone can't coach players up. I don't know what Deloene is good at. Pasqualoni needs 3-4 years for "his guys" because he has to get by on his talent making him look like a better coach than he is. Edsall and his staff helped two walk-ons into the NFL. Took guys nobody else was looking at for their position, and helped them to the NFL.
Pasqualoni has to recruit those players that already have NFL potential, because he isn't going to caoch anyone up to that level. He was able to do that at Fruit U for a number of years, they had more history and a fewer built-in recruiting advantages. With our conference situation, stadium size/location, and relative lack of in-state talent, it will be incredibly difficult for him to do that here.
A marginal recruiter, great developer of talent, and decent game day coach, will get you 7-5 on average. Take his players and give them to a game day coach and you'll get 5-7. If the uptick didn't start last year, we are screwed until we find a coach who can make second half adjustments.
The difference is Edsall was an average recruiter who can (and had assistants who can) coach players up. Don Brown coached players up. Look at the improvement in performance of the defense from the first few games last year to this year. And he did after losing almost his entire defensive line (which had all big east starters).
Pasqualoni and Deleone can't coach players up. I don't know what Deloene is good at. Pasqualoni needs 3-4 years for "his guys" because he has to get by on his talent making him look like a better coach than he is. Edsall and his staff helped two walk-ons into the NFL. Took guys nobody else was looking at for their position, and helped them to the NFL.
Pasqualoni has to recruit those players that already have NFL potential, because he isn't going to caoch anyone up to that level. He was able to do that at Fruit U for a number of years, they had more history and a fewer built-in recruiting advantages. With our conference situation, stadium size/location, and relative lack of in-state talent, it will be incredibly difficult for him to do that here.
A marginal recruiter, great developer of talent, and decent game day coach, will get you 7-5 on average. Take his players and give them to a game day coach and you'll get 5-7. If the uptick didn't start last year, we are screwed until we find a coach who can make second half adjustments.
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I think we're on the same page with this. I think Edsall had a ceiling and pretty much had reached it, because he wasn't a great recruiter, but Pasqualoni may have a lower one unless he can upgrade talent pretty dramatically somehow.
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Great analysis.
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Randy?? Is that you??
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But this is exactly why the hire was so duck*ing dumb. Even if you didn't know P would be as bad a coach as he has been here, it still didn't make sense. He was never going to win with Edsall's guys. Him winning would require 4 or 5 years of bringing in his own, presumably more talented, guys based on his being a better recruiter. The problem with that strategy, obviously, is that by the time you're into P's 4th and 5th years, and you're now hoping to get ahead of where we were, P's age is such that he could be slowing down, if not out, at any moment.
It was never just P's age -- it was P's age added to the 4 or 5 years any idiot (thank you Jeff hathaway) should have known it would take P to improve the program.
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On target. What Uconn needs is a HC who can do both. Coach 'em up and recruit at a higher level. They don't necessarily have to have NFL potential, but they absolutely have to have the talent to be able to play in the major conferences (PAC12, BiG, SEC and Big 12).
Gotta be both - coaching skill and recruiting ability.
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