Dez let's P play the talent card some more

[freescooter]

But this is exactly why the hire was so duck*ing dumb. Even if you didn't know P would be as bad a coach as he has been here, it still didn't make sense. He was never going to win with Edsall's guys. Him winning would require 4 or 5 years of bringing in his own, presumably more talented, guys based on his being a better recruiter. The problem with that strategy, obviously, is that by the time you're into P's 4th and 5th years, and you're now hoping to get ahead of where we were, P's age is such that he could be slowing down, if not out, at any moment.

It was never just P's age -- it was P's age added to the 4 or 5 years any idiot (thank you Jeff hathaway) should have known it would take P to improve the program.

Don't disagree at all. All i can say is that Hathaway and crew must have thought or assumed or blindly hoped that P could avoid a major drop off while they upgraded the talent level. Not that it means anything, but that was my hope, which I admit was based on nothing but wishful thinking (and a look at the future schedules). My hope was that we'd be ok last year with maybe a bit of regression due to the quarterback situation and a little better this year and then see a marginal but steady upgrade in quality going forward.

 

[Srqhusky]

" I don't know what Deleone is good at".
Best line

 

[huskymedic]

Honest Question --- Why is when we discuss defense - it's Don Brown this and Don Brown that and Don Brown can coach kids up but when we talk about Offense it's always PP AND GDL this and PP AND GDL that? Why is not just GDL?

Save me the PP and GDL are attached @ the hip crap.

 

[businesslawyer]

Honest Question --- Why is when we discuss defense - it's Don Brown this and Don Brown that and Don Brown can coach kids up but when we talk about Offense it's always PP AND GDL this and PP AND GDL that? Why is not just GDL?

Save me the PP and GDL are attached @ the hip crap.

Why would you ask a question and then answer it?

 

[huskymedic]

Why would you ask a question and then answer it?

Ha LOL - I expected more from you --- I was trying to cut off the snide unintelligent comment.

 

[Doggie Style]

Randy?? Is that you??

I'm exposed!!!!!

 

[freescooter]

Pasqualoni is primarily a defensive guy who leave the offense to Deleone. When it doesn't work out, he has to share the blame for his pick and his hands off approach to the offense.

 

[businesslawyer]

But I'm not being snide but serious. Look, the head coach is ultimately responsible for everything in a program -- the good and the bad. And he is Brown's boss, and is absolutely entitled to share in the blame and praise on the defensive end. (While I think Brown has done fine, I'm not awarding him the assistant of the year awards either based on the last two years.)

But his relationship with GDL is in fact different. They have been together longer than my two sons in their twenties have been alive, and found each other not just as Syracuse but in the NFL. They are in fact joined at the hip, and P has to be more responsible for what happens with his friend (good or bad) than with an outside, arms length hire that he makes.

 

[IMind]

Ha LOL - I expected more from you --- I was trying to cut off the snide unintelligent comment.

Just because it's snide and unintelligent doesn't mean it's not true.

Seriously though it was the main problem fans had with him at the end of his Syrcause run as well. Hell he might very well still be at Syracuse if he could have been convinced to part ways with GDL.

 

[Marty Jackson]

We have a lack of talent alright, in the coaching department. The in game management of personnel, clock, play calling, adjustments on the offensive side of the ball were...offensive. We had a top 20 defense and a bottom 5 offense. Explain how we have the talent to go on the road and beat BE Co-Champion and BCS bound Louisville, but not the talent to beat NCSU at home, WMU, Temple at home, and USF (3 of those schools fired their coaches this year and the other that just moved up from the MAC).

Maybe where DC is confused is we're not talking about having the talent to win the BE the past two years, we're not talking about the talent to be 10-2, 9-3... We are talking about the talent to win 6 or more games against a relatively weak schedule and get us in a bowl game. I still believe with our personnel and our schedule the past two years we were very capable of reaching anywhere from 7 to 9 wins/year.

IMO, more often than not, coaches win and lose close games a much if not more than players. I have heard people/reporters mention how we are a play away in 4 games of being 9-3. Bullsh!t. We are also a play or two away from losing to UMd, UB, Pitt, and UL. The reality is we are as close if not closer to being 1-11 than we are to 9-3. What a joke.

Last year, with the QB situation we were not going to win more than 6-7 games.
The real question is, why haven't we progressed from last year with a better defense and a solid improvement at QB.

 

[huskymedic]

But I'm not being snide but serious. Look, the head coach is ultimately responsible for everything in a program -- the good and the bad. And he is Brown's boss, and is absolutely entitled to share in the blame and praise on the defensive end. (While I think Brown has done fine, I'm not awarding him the assistant of the year awards either based on the last two years.)

But his relationship with GDL is in fact different. They have been together longer than my two sons in their twenties have been alive, and found each other not just as Syracuse but in the NFL. They are in fact joined at the hip, and P has to be more responsible for what happens with his friend (good or bad) than with an outside, arms length hire that he makes.

OK - that I can buy (not that you were selling). PP doesn't get the credit for the success of the D because the O is so bad.

 

[businesslawyer]

OK - that I can buy (not that you were selling). PP doesn't get the credit for the success of the D because the O is so bad.

If your point is that Boneyarders (or message board posters generally) focus their energies more on blaming people than praising them -- well, that's 100% correct, but hardly a breakthrough observation.

 

[IMind]

I think the Mike Foley move rubs people the wrong way too. You've got a OL coach that's put multiple players into the NFL... guys that have started multiple games for good teams. Produced a 2,000 yard rusher... and done it while recruiting a bunch of unheralded players... with a guy who hasn't produced a thing since Donovan McNabb was wearing orange. It looks from the outside like you're just playing favorites and not letting the most qualified person coach the position.

 

[ruskin]

The nut issue here to me is PP/GDL have shown in a mega-sample size (going back to their latter Syracuse years) that they no longer can coach. Why does anyone in their right mind expect them to be better recruiters than they are coaches. Both skills eroded in their final years at Syracuse and that spiral accelerated here the past two years. IMO Desmond is basing his observations on what P/GDL accomplished in their glory days at Syracuse, which were a long, long time ago.

Can you imagine what the atmosphere is like in the facility today? Does anyone in their right mind think the atmosphere is going to get better if P/GDL stays?

 

[freescooter]

One other factor is that the differences were just so stark. One of the best defenses in the game, at least statistically, vs one of the worst offenses. I have seen teams that were good on one side of the ball and bad on the other, but I don't ever recall one where the difference was just so dramatic. As a consequence of that, the offensive coach and his defender the head coach are going to get absolutely blasted while the defensive guy is going to get praised. Look if our offense was say #65, firs toff we'd have won 2-3 more games, but there would still be complaints, mostly I think, aimed at the coordinator. But when its as bad as it is, and we go 5-7 for the 2nd straight season, they both get blasted. When the defense is very good, and the offense is so dreadful, well, that defies explanation and everyone wants Deleone gone. Except Pasqualoni so he'll get the blame.

 

[Carl Spackler]

The talent level is not marginally higher or lower than when Edsall coached. A few NFL caliber players on defense, one, maybe two on offense.

The difference is Edsall was an average recruiter who can (and had assistants who can) coach players up. Don Brown coached players up. Look at the improvement in performance of the defense from the first few games last year to this year. And he did after losing almost his entire defensive line (which had all big east starters).

Pasqualoni and Deleone can't coach players up. I don't know what Deloene is good at. Pasqualoni needs 3-4 years for "his guys" because he has to get by on his talent making him look like a better coach than he is. Edsall and his staff helped two walk-ons into the NFL. Took guys nobody else was looking at for their position, and helped them to the NFL.

Pasqualoni has to recruit those players that already have NFL potential, because he isn't going to caoch anyone up to that level. He was able to do that at Fruit U for a number of years, they had more history and a fewer built-in recruiting advantages. With our conference situation, stadium size/location, and relative lack of in-state talent, it will be incredibly difficult for him to do that here.

A marginal recruiter, great developer of talent, and decent game day coach, will get you 7-5 on average. Take his players and give them to a ****ty game day coach and you'll get 5-7. If the uptick didn't start last year, we are screwed until we find a coach who can make second half adjustments.

Please tell me what players on offense are NFL calibre - and leave out Ryan Griffin and John Delahunt - because neither was NFL calibre prior to P and D arriving.

 

[Carl Spackler]

also - talk to Kendall Reyes some time, and NFL people, and find out why that guy is able to do what he's able to do as a rookie in the league. Talk to Trevardo Williams and see if he's developed at all in the last two years. Talk to Ryan Griffin and find out if he's developed in the past two seasons.

We UConn fans are all upset, but a little reality is order. You want to knock the coach staff, there are things to knock them for, but don't just make up.

We have recruited some players with speed again in the past two seasons, speed that was sorely lacking in the previous 3-4 recruiting classes.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

But this is exactly why the hire was so duck*ing dumb. Even if you didn't know P would be as bad a coach as he has been here, it still didn't make sense. He was never going to win with Edsall's guys. Him winning would require 4 or 5 years of bringing in his own, presumably more talented, guys based on his being a better recruiter. The problem with that strategy, obviously, is that by the time you're into P's 4th and 5th years, and you're now hoping to get ahead of where we were, P's age is such that he could be slowing down, if not out, at any moment.

It was never just P's age -- it was P's age added to the 4 or 5 years any idiot (thank you Jeff hathaway) should have known it would take P to improve the program.

The part that baffles me is that Edsall, who was such a great coach, is also failing -- even worse -- with much better talent in Maryland.

So how do we draw the conclusion that Edsall is such an obvious upgrade over Pasqualoni?

 

[BlueMAB]

Please tell me what players on offense are NFL calibre - and leave out Ryan Griffin and John Delahunt - because neither was NFL calibre prior to P and D arriving.

I don't believe Delahunt is NFL caliber.

Ryan Griffin was NFL caliber from the moment he took his redshirt off. Size, speed, and talent. All the coaches needed to do was not screw him up. He'll give the coaches a lot of credit, that speaks to the quality of his character, more than the quality of the coaches. The results speak for themselves on that front. Look at the offensive stats.

But if you think Pasqualoni and GDL are great TE coaches, I won't argue. If I could I'd help them back to the NFL in that very capacity.

Kendall Reyes and Trevardo Williams (both recruited by the prior coach) were both destined for the league with competent coaching. Hank Hughes is still around right? Just checking.

If you want to make the argument they are capable of coaching up players the way the prior staff did, please do better. Show me how the O-line got better after GDL took over responsibilities. Tell me which walk-ons they are going to coach up into the NFL.

Making up? Please. You're the one who was overjoyed at the fact Foley was taken off the OL and GDL was taking over. How did that work out for us this year? Let's see you defend that move without making up.

And when you fabricate inspirational stories about soldiers for the benefit of message board posters, you have no credibility to accuse others of making things up when they share their opinion.

 

[ZooCougar]

P is partly responsible or every success and failure.

But Don Brown's defense is not successful because of Pasqualoni.

 

[BlueMAB]

The part that baffles me is that Edsall, who was such a great coach, is also failing -- even worse -- with much better talent in Maryland.

So how do we draw the conclusion that Edsall is such an obvious upgrade over Pasqualoni?

He won 1 fewer game, playing a tougher schedule, with a linebacker playing QB by the end of the season.

How many games would we win with Sio Moore playing the last 4+/- games at QB?

FYI- They played William and Mary, and then 11 BCS programs. If you want to discount Temple, then they played 10 BCS programs, and beat the "quasi" BCS program that beat us. We'd be luck to win 4 games playing 11 of them against BCS programs.

 

[Carl Spackler]

I don't believe Delahunt is NFL caliber.

Ryan Griffin was NFL caliber from the moment he took his redshirt off. Size, speed, and talent. All the coaches needed to do was not screw him up. He'll give the coaches a lot of credit, that speaks to the quality of his character, more than the quality of the coaches. The results speak for themselves on that front. Look at the offensive stats.

But if you think Pasqualoni and GDL are great TE coaches, I won't argue. If I could I'd help them back to the NFL in that very capacity.

Kendall Reyes and Trevardo Williams (both recruited by the prior coach) were both destined for the league with competent coaching. Hank Hughes is still around right? Just checking.

If you want to make the argument they are capable of coaching up players the way the prior staff did, please do better. Show me how the O-line got better after GDL took over responsibilities. Tell me which walk-ons they are going to coach up into the NFL.

Making **** up? Please. You're the one who was overjoyed at the fact Foley was taken off the OL and GDL was taking over. How did that work out for us this year? Let's see you defend that move without making **** up.

And when you fabricate inspirational stories about soldiers for the benefit of message board posters, you have no credibility to accuse others of making things up when they share their opinion.

"Pasqualoni and Deleone can't coach players up."

That's what you said, and that's what your entire thing I responded to was based on. It's a load of crap because it's pretty blatantly obvious that we've got more than a few players that have benefitted from the coachign they've gotten in the past two seasons, and some of them will play at the next level, that would not have been there otherwise, and if you've got some kind of foresight ability to know that a player coming out of high school, is capable of playing NFL football, I'd like to have your crystal ball.

Edsall's best recruiting class, was the class of 2007, the same year that Edsall started seriously looking for work elsewhere. Recruiting went downhill, now, with the benefit of hindsight, in a big way thereafter to the point by spring 2011, and Edsall leaving in the middle of the night, we were worse off than any of us outside, looking in, imagined.

If you don't agree with me, that's fine. We disagree.

 

[BlueMAB]

"Pasqualoni and Deleone can't coach players up."

That's what you said, and that's what your entire thing I responded to was based on. It's a load of crap because it's pretty blatantly obvious that we've got more than a few players that have benefitted from the coachign they've gotten in the past two seasons, and some of them will play at the next level, that would not have been there otherwise, and if you've got some kind of foresight ability to know that a player coming out of high school, is capable of playing NFL football, I'd like to have your crystal ball.

Edsall's best recruiting class, was the class of 2007, the same year that Edsall started seriously looking for work elsewhere. Recruiting went downhill, now, with the benefit of hindsight, in a big way thereafter to the point by spring 2011, and Edsall leaving in the middle of the night, we were worse off than any of us outside, looking in, imagined.

If you don't agree with me, that's fine. We disagree.

You know what's a load of crap? Deleone taking over for Mike Foley on the OL. You can ignore that disastrous move because you thought it was great, but it was a fecunditying disaster.

They can't coach players up the way the prior regime did. That was the overall point of my post, and it was obvious.

Now you're suggesting there are players here that will be in the NFL but wouldn't were it not for the overwhelming impact of DeLeone and Pasqualoni?

Who??? Why?

I think your crystal ball needs a bit of polish, hypocrite.

 

[Brochacho]

No talent? Sio, BWW, Gratz, Griffin, and Trevardo are locks for the draft. Jory Johnson is my darkhorse when it comes to UConn prospects. Smallwood is a draft pick whenever he leaves. I feel the same about Geremy Davis. Nick Williams will find his way onto a NFL roster, maybe even a 7th rounder. I'm not buying this no talent. This team would have had 8-9 wins under Edsall.

 

[Carl Spackler]

You know what's a load of crap? Deleone taking over for Mike Foley on the OL. You can ignore that disastrous move because you thought it was great, but it was a fecunditying disaster.

They can't coach players up the way the prior regime did. That was the overall point of my post, and it was obvious.

Now you're suggesting there are players here that will be in the NFL but wouldn't were it not for the overwhelming impact of DeLeone and Pasqualoni?

Who??? Why?

I think your crystal ball needs a bit of polish, hypocrite.

Last time I started talking about the NFL and what players may or may not be able to play there, I got crucified too.

THe coaching staff we've got has it's faults, but the vast majority of the criticism coming from fans around here, is misguided. I feel partly at fault for that, because I was very vocal about certain things early in the season, because I had made an assumption prior to this season, that I've since come to realize was quite far from reality.