Derek Jeter going on a Farewell Tour

[kibblesnbits]

kibbles, I quit. You're a "hater" and it's simple to see.

"Aggregate perception" is your way of saying they're all the same….we're not at all…I have been a Yankee fan for 45 years plus, I like the guys who come through the system I don't gush over them. I know Jeter is a HOFer some because he played with great teams and some because he just had a long, illustrious career. Those, like you, who to seem to want to take away from that in any way possible have their right to their thoughts on his career. I'm okay with that, he's certainly not close to any of the greatest of all time. "Payroll, special leader" crap……he's a great baseball player who donned the pinstripes for 19 years, how many times can I say it? .312 average and solid person off the field which in this day and age is tough…….people, fans can "gush" if they want, kids should he's Derek Jeter. I just like the guy a lot because he was my very good SS for a lot of years and was one of the catalysts for a ring every 4 years or so while here, nothing more, nothing less…..it's his last year, let his "Yankee" fans have fun with it who cares, is it hurting you?

Stiffs like you that find a reason to want to take that away are really just ignorant! There's not much of this left in baseball, 19 years-same team, sit back and enjoy!

The funny thing is that your description of him as a ballplayer is essentially the same as mine. I said he was a tremendous player and sure Hall of Famer, albeit we both acknowledged that his defense is more in the solid/reliable category than outstanding. Absent some shocking revelation in the next six years, I think he's an overwhelming favorite to get in on the first HoF ballot. However, since I question some of the great leader, intangibles (Google "Jeter" and "intangibles" to find literally millions of references and hundreds of current news pieces) PR frosting that you claim to not even care about, I am a "hater." It appears you care far more than you let on about the off the field perception.

BTW: He was not a catalyst for a ring "every 4 years or so", which implies a regular pattern of championship excellence. He was a young star on an outstanding team with great veteran leadership (O'Neill, Williams and Martinez come to mind first) that produced 4 championships in 5 years early in his career. Since then, when he took over the veteran leadership role, they've won once.

 

[Cheddie]

Is it allowable to like and respect Jeter but detest the retirement tour marketing bs?

Absolutely. The circus will not come from him. We live in a world with talking heads on ESPN, YES, etc. who need something to go on and on about. It's all hype/marketing 24/7. His press conference today was remarkably low key, just as he's always been.

Amazing fact from the NY Times today - Jeter has played in 2,602 games and only one of them came with the team eliminated from playoff contention.

 

[mauconnfan]

Pedroia played with a busted thumb most of the year while you were gushing about a dog. Now that's funny.

Hahahahaha

 

[Scoe]

The funny thing is that your description of him as a ballplayer is essentially the same as mine. I said he was a tremendous player and sure Hall of Famer, albeit we both acknowledged that his defense is more in the solid/reliable category than outstanding. Absent some shocking revelation in the next six years, I think he's an overwhelming favorite to get in on the first HoF ballot. However, since I question some of the great leader, intangibles (Google "Jeter" and "intangibles" to find literally millions of references and hundreds of current news pieces) PR frosting that you claim to not even care about, I am a "hater." It appears you care far more than you let on about the off the field perception.

BTW: He was not a catalyst for a ring "every 4 years or so", which implies a regular pattern of championship excellence. He was a young star on an outstanding team with great veteran leadership (O'Neill, Williams and Martinez come to mind first) that produced 4 championships in 5 years early in his career. Since then, when he took over the veteran leadership role, they've won once.

and when Tom Brady took over the leadership role of the Patriots they have yet to win one Super Bowl, no one ever said Jeter is perfect, you can nitpick anyones career.

 

[kibblesnbits]

Brady? Pedroia? What is it with you guys? Rather than address the actual comments you throw in stuff about unrelated players - one in a completely different sport with different dynamics. It's like a fifth grader responding, "oh yeah, well your father is bald" - and just about as meaningful to the issue at hand.

BTW, Your comment is false. By the 2004 and 2005 Super Bowl victories Brady was unquestionably a team leader (and the unquestioned leader on offense). That's partly the different role of a QB from anything in baseball, but he was also been a captain since 2002. If you want to argue that's comparable to Jeter, fine, but at least be accurate.

 

[Scoe]

Brady? Pedroia? What is it with you guys? Rather than address the actual comments you throw in stuff about unrelated players - one in a completely different sport with different dynamics. It's like a fifth grader responding, "oh yeah, well your father is bald" - and just about as meaningful to the issue at hand.

BTW, Your comment is false. By the 2003 and 2004 Super Bowl victories Brady was unquestionably a team leader. That's partly the different role of a QB from anything in baseball, but he was also been a captain since 2002. If you want to argue that's comparable to Jeter, fine, but at least be accurate.

Just playing your game you can't have it both ways, if Jeter is overrated then so is Brady.

 

[kibblesnbits]

So what? Have fun making your case. It won't hurt my feelings and I won't take it personally.

 

[Scoe]

So what? Have fun making your case. It won't hurt my feelings and I won't take it personally.

Just having conversation, we all have our own opinions, just don't let it overtake your conversation. We can have a discussion about any athlete in history and nitpick him and say he didn't win this year or that year, or without this guy etc.

 

[mauconnfan]

Actually they all suck!! We all could have been as good as Jeter or Brady we chose a different direction……..