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HuskyWarrior611 said:
I just like the way Calhoun used to develop and trust young guys is all.
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You mean scream at young guys?

Calhoun didn't generally have as much depth as Hurley has been able to recruit. He had to get his freshman talent on the floor and turn them into sophomores by March.
 
Iluvsuebird said:
Point #3 on the good column tells me that you should only watch one game at a time. They didn't "try" to punk Aidan today. They made him their b---h all game long. He was up to the challenge? Some of you folks watch a game in an alternative universe. This kid CANNOT play at this level. I am dying on this hill. He is too slow to defend at this level. And we are not winning anything with him as the backup PG.
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I can't believe the hostility to Aidan some posters have. He's been asked to take on an unfamiliar role for the good of the team, and he's getting better at it. He probably has as much upside from now to March as any player on the team, although most of the young guys are improving at a good clip too. We're very solid with Hassan, McNeeley, Karaban, and Samson, and continued progress from Ball, Mahaney, Reed, and Ross will put us in a good spot for March.

Aidan is going to be challenged by Big East physicality and officiating, but it will be educational for him, and in the NCAA tournament he'll come into his own.

It feels like Stewart is competing with Singare for the spot as 4th big man. We could see Samson becoming the backup 4 if Stewart doesn't progress, Samson and Reed keep their fouls down, and Singare becomes a capable backup 5.
 
Iluvsuebird said:
Every. Single. Point of discussion on this board is beaten to death. That's the purpose of the board as I understand it to be. When we are no longer a sub-par perimeter defensive team we can stop talking about Aidan's defensive weakness. Until then, it seems relevant.
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I too once hoped of more Nowell, as seems to fit the bill. But at this point I just find hoping for it and thinking I know something the staff doesn’t is kinda exhausting. Let’s hope AM keeps progressing, Dan Hurley seems all in.
 
pj said:
You mean scream at young guys?

Calhoun didn't generally have as much depth as Hurley has been able to recruit. He had to get his freshman talent on the floor and turn them into sophomores by March.
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Have you seen a Hurley practice? You think he doesn’t scream at young guys? He screams at the damn ball managers
 
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Iluvsuebird said:
What exactly did Aidan do to deserve anything but a darn seat on the bench??? He cannot defend the position. He gets picked on each and every time he is on the court. And that costs us much more than the 6 points I think he scored. What game were you watching? It does not matter, though, because Nowell is not playing this year, apparently. If we do not see him against DePaul when Diarra has 4 fouls, we are not seeing him again this year. And that means that Aidan is goin to have to figure it out. Because it will be ugly against better guards.
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I just rewatched the game and wrote down every play that Mahaney was involved in. Here is every notable play I saw (split 1H, 2H, and DePaul run). Sorry all, this is a long post. Long story short: Mahaney made mistakes but had more good plays than bad plays. Our offensive woes during DePaul’s run were not because of him, and he got stuck guarding 2v1 on several fast breaks because of bad plays by other guys. This screwed his +/-, but not a lot of it was directly due to his play

1st Half:
  • 13:00 good entry pass to Tarris for a basket
  • 12:45 cuts off his man, forces him to pass out. Ross then gets blown by but eventually leads to a turnover
  • 12:20 bad pass down low leads to turnover. This is Mahaney’s only TO of the game
  • 12:05 cuts off his man, forces them to pass out. Ross then gets blown by but they missed
  • 11:55 Mahaney fast break layup
  • 11:08 Mahaney commits foul on a fast break after a Karaban miss
  • 10:50 ugly stepback 3, miss
  • 10:10 great fast break pass to a wide open Solo, but misses
  • 9:55 gets helped by a Tarris block on a fast break, turns it into an assist into a Liam 3
  • 9:30 rotates perfectly after Tarris got beat on a slipped screen, rotates perfectly again after DePaul passes again, eventually led to a TO. GREAT PLAY!!
2nd Half
  • 12:35 got pressured into a bad pass to Solo in the corner, but DePaul hit it out
  • 12:29 was being pressured heavy, fought through a no call, got an and1 layup. GREAT PLAY!!
  • 11:30 loses his handle and misses a floater badly
  • 7:30 bad defensive rotation, Ross saves him with a monster block
  • 6:49 DePaul made a layup but my video skipped this part, not sure if Mahaney was involved
  • 6:40 good pass into a Solo 3
  • 6:26 DePaul missed a jumper but video skipped it, not sure if AM involved
  • 6:00 Mahaney got beat which led to alley oop dunk
  • 5:20 cut his man off, forced them to pass back out, eventually leads to a TO and fast break
  • 5:00 took too long to get the offense going which led to a short clock and bad shot that he missed
  • 4:35 blown by and commits a foul
  • 4:30 brings the ball up through pressure, beats a double team, bounce pass into Ross layup. GREAT PLAY!
  • 4:10 decent defense against Enright but bad call gives DePaul FTs on a soft reach
  • 4:05 brings the ball up through pressure, gets doubled, hockey assist (AM —> AK —> Solo 3)
  • 3:45 they try to bully him into the paint but he holds his ground which leads to a kick out and eventual block
  • 3:28 Samson and Solo mess up their defense, Mahaney forced to foul to prevent inbound alley oop
  • 3:24 brings the ball up through pressure, gets doubled, kicks to Karaban who finds a wide open Ross who misses
  • 2:45 takes and misses a bad floater
  • 2:30 DePaul missed a layup, video skips it so not sure if AM involved
  • 2:10 fast break layup for Mahaney
  • 0:35 thrown a grenade which leads to a missed 3 but the game is over at this point
Here is every offensive possession during DePaul’s run (20pt lead down to 9)
  • Karaban offensive foul
  • Karaban missed 3
  • Karaban TO passing to Solo
  • Karaban stripped driving to the hoop
  • Karaban missed 3, Tarris o-board, leads to 2 Karaban FT
  • Solo missed jumper
  • Solo tripped and throws ball away
  • Stewart offensive foul
And every defensive play:
  • Ross forces a turnover
  • Mahaney blown by on a fast break and Tarris goaltends
  • Open fast break dunk after AK TO
  • Mahaney guarding 2v1 on a fast break, DePaul layup
  • Solo block, but then Diarra 4th foul
  • Solo foul on a fast break
  • Mahaney guarding 2v1 on a fast break, DePaul 3
I want Nowell minutes too, and they would come at Aidan’s expense, but I would not put the blame on him for DePaul’s run yesterday
 
McNeeley’s MRI results must be in. Waiting anxiously.
 
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pj said:
I can't believe the hostility to Aidan some posters have. He's been asked to take on an unfamiliar role for the good of the team, and he's getting better at it. He probably has as much upside from now to March as any player on the team, although most of the young guys are improving at a good clip too. We're very solid with Hassan, McNeeley, Karaban, and Samson, and continued progress from Ball, Mahaney, Reed, and Ross will put us in a good spot for March.

Aidan is going to be challenged by Big East physicality and officiating, but it will be educational for him, and in the NCAA tournament he'll come into his own.

It feels like Stewart is competing with Singare for the spot as 4th big man. We could see Samson becoming the backup 4 if Stewart doesn't progress, Samson and Reed keep their fouls down, and Singare becomes a capable backup 5.
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I agree with you on Mahaney. I still believe he is the key to the post season. If it can finally click with him it changes our ceiling considerably IMO.

I don’t think Singare is really in the mix for anything but emergency depth at Center. Stewart is battling Ross for minutes on the wing, and while both will play, one will likely be much heavier in the rotation by post season and the other will likely see more limited minutes.
 
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REB1094 said:
I just rewatched the game and wrote down every play that Mahaney was involved in. Here is every notable play I saw (split 1H, 2H, and DePaul run). Sorry all, this is a long post. Long story short: Mahaney made mistakes but had more good plays than bad plays. Our offensive woes during DePaul’s run were not because of him, and he got stuck guarding 2v1 on several fast breaks because of bad plays by other guys. This screwed his +/-, but not a lot of it was directly due to his play

1st Half:
  • 13:00 good entry pass to Tarris for a basket
  • 12:45 cuts off his man, forces him to pass out. Ross then gets blown by but eventually leads to a turnover
  • 12:20 bad pass down low leads to turnover. This is Mahaney’s only TO of the game
  • 12:05 cuts off his man, forces them to pass out. Ross then gets blown by but they missed
  • 11:55 Mahaney fast break layup
  • 11:08 Mahaney commits foul on a fast break after a Karaban miss
  • 10:50 ugly stepback 3, miss
  • 10:10 great fast break pass to a wide open Solo, but misses
  • 9:55 gets helped by a Tarris block on a fast break, turns it into an assist into a Liam 3
  • 9:30 rotates perfectly after Tarris got beat on a slipped screen, rotates perfectly again after DePaul passes again, eventually led to a TO. GREAT PLAY!!
2nd Half
  • 12:35 got pressured into a bad pass to Solo in the corner, but DePaul hit it out
  • 12:29 was being pressured heavy, fought through a no call, got an and1 layup. GREAT PLAY!!
  • 11:30 loses his handle and misses a floater badly
  • 7:30 bad defensive rotation, Ross saves him with a monster block
  • 6:49 DePaul made a layup but my video skipped this part, not sure if Mahaney was involved
  • 6:40 good pass into a Solo 3
  • 6:26 DePaul missed a jumper but video skipped it, not sure if AM involved
  • 6:00 Mahaney got beat which led to alley oop dunk
  • 5:20 cut his man off, forced them to pass back out, eventually leads to a TO and fast break
  • 5:00 took too long to get the offense going which led to a short clock and bad shot that he missed
  • 4:35 blown by and commits a foul
  • 4:30 brings the ball up through pressure, beats a double team, bounce pass into Ross layup. GREAT PLAY!
  • 4:10 decent defense against Enright but bad call gives DePaul FTs on a soft reach
  • 4:05 brings the ball up through pressure, gets doubled, hockey assist (AM —> AK —> Solo 3)
  • 3:45 they try to bully him into the paint but he holds his ground which leads to a kick out and eventual block
  • 3:28 Samson and Solo mess up their defense, Mahaney forced to foul to prevent inbound alley oop
  • 3:24 brings the ball up through pressure, gets doubled, kicks to Karaban who finds a wide open Ross who misses
  • 2:45 takes and misses a bad floater
  • 2:30 DePaul missed a layup, video skips it so not sure if AM involved
  • 2:10 fast break layup for Mahaney
  • 0:35 thrown a grenade which leads to a missed 3 but the game is over at this point
Here is every offensive possession during DePaul’s run (20pt lead down to 9)
  • Karaban offensive foul
  • Karaban missed 3
  • Karaban TO passing to Solo
  • Karaban stripped driving to the hoop
  • Karaban missed 3, Tarris o-board, leads to 2 Karaban FT
  • Solo missed jumper
  • Solo tripped and throws ball away
  • Stewart offensive foul
And every defensive play:
  • Ross forces a turnover
  • Mahaney blown by on a fast break and Tarris goaltends
  • Open fast break dunk after AK TO
  • Mahaney guarding 2v1 on a fast break, DePaul layup
  • Solo block, but then Diarra 4th foul
  • Solo foul on a fast break
  • Mahaney guarding 2v1 on a fast break, DePaul 3
I want Nowell minutes too, and they would come at Aidan’s expense, but I would not put the blame on him for DePaul’s run yesterday
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Good detailed analysis and hard work.

Defense rests.

Boneyard Jury now deliberates.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
that's why having this "debate" is liking talking to a brick wall.
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It’s moreso people say untrue things like Deandre got buried, when he started at the beginning of the year, or that he did a quick hook with freshman, something he did with everybody.

And then when it’s proven wrong the responses just stop or the spin cycle starts lol.

I still have no idea who Calhoun played favorites with that got in the way of letting talented players develop like we see today. Calhoun in his interview with Hurley even admitted he coached the talented guys differently which is what you’re suppose to do.

Starting at 11:20
 
Out of all those plays that REB1094 listed, the most amazing line item was "Karaban missed 3." Not because he missed. It was a corner three and Karaban hit the side of the backboard. It was like -what's happening? That didn't even seem like it was possible.
 
Iluvsuebird said:
Point #3 on the good column tells me that you should only watch one game at a time. They didn't "try" to punk Aidan today. They made him their b---h all game long. He was up to the challenge? Some of you folks watch a game in an alternative universe. This kid CANNOT play at this level. I am dying on this hill. He is too slow to defend at this level. And we are not winning anything with him as the backup PG.
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He took up your challenge. Read post #189. You may want to check your own universe. And let us know the location of that hill. Someone might want to lay flowers on it.:cool:
 
Iluvsuebird said:
Not sure why we keep talking about Nowell - until Dan Hurley is ready to use him, continuing to talk about him isn’t going to send a telepathic epiphany to the staff. Got to hope the guys actually playing get better.

I see your point, and you are right. But the reason we keep talking about him is because the team's main (and perhaps only) weakness is perimeter defense.
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And having another PG who penetrate and dish the ball. Mahaney normally just creates shots for himself when he penetrates.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
It’s moreso people say untrue things like Deandre got buried, when he started at the beginning of the year, or that he did a quick hook with freshman, something he did with everybody.

And then when it’s proven wrong the responses just stop or the spin cycle starts lol.

I still have no idea who Calhoun played favorites with that got in the way of letting talented players develop like we see today. Calhoun in his interview with Hurley even admitted he coached the talented guys differently which is what you’re suppose to do.

Starting at 11:20
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nah, the responses stop because some folks don't want to keep going back and forth with you on the same dead and tired horse that you've turned into glue. it's exhausting.
 
aceboon said:
nah, the responses stop because some folks don't want to keep going back and forth with you on the same dead and tired horse that you've turned into glue. it's exhausting.
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If there wasn’t new evidence to add to the pattern every year there wouldn’t be a reason to keep bringing it up.
 
Hurley is selective on who gets the quick hook and who doesn't. That is no different than what JC did. The manner in which they employ/ed it however is different. There isn't the type of histrionics in Hurley's implementation. Which is interesting given Hurley's predisposition to lose control with the refs.

My take is that both coaches assess which players they feel/felt could work out their mistakes on their own and which need a conditional negative action to get a player to change.

On the current team the player with the longest leash is Alex. Next would be Liam and Hassan followed by Solo and Samson. The players with the shortest leash are Tarris and Jaylin. Jayden and Aidan are currently getting a little more time than Tarris and Jaylin to work out their mistakes than occurred at the beginning of the season. Tarris is getting less. Of course all this is modified by game circumstance.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
If there wasn’t new evidence to add to the pattern every year there wouldn’t be a reason to keep bringing it up.
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The problem is it's your brain determining what is "evidence" and your brain determining what is a "pattern".
 
ctchamps said:
He took up your challenge. Read post #189. You may want to check your own universe. And let us know the location of that hill. Someone might want to lay flowers on it.:cool:
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hahaha. Flowers always welcomed, though not quite yet. Listen, admittedly I have not watched the game a second time, though now I know what I am doing tonight after my family goes to bed. But my impression from watching the game real time is real simple:
  • Aidan had 2 or 3 nice penetrating moves---for a guard, that should be a basic skillset. If I were a doctor, having an A in biology should be expected, know what I mean? Well, a PG should be able to penetrate the darn ball.
  • He had 7 points and 4 assists in 16 minutes of play. He also had 4 personal fouls, which by my memory, all lead to 2 points on free throws. 1 rebound and 1 turnover. His play so far this year has been so abysmal that they make these numbers look good. The fact is that, in our championship runs the last two years, our back up to our back up was giving us better production. To wit, Joey California was giving more than what Aidan is giving us, and he was the second PG off the bench, to say nothing about Diarra last year, who was superb.
  • But I can live with all of it if he could defend the position. Is anyone on either side of my dying hill gonna make the argument that this kid can play D????
I aint dead yet....
 
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Iluvsuebird said:
hahaha. Flowers always welcomed, though not quite yet. Listen, admittedly I have not watched the game a second time, though now I know what I am doing tonight after my family goes to bed. But my impression from watching the game real time is real simple:
  • Aidan had 2 or 3 nice penetrating moves---for a guard, that should be a basic skillset. If I were a doctor, having an A in biology should be expected, know what I mean? Well, a PG should be able to penetrate the darn ball.
  • He had 7 points and 4 assists in 16 minutes of play. He also had 4 personal fouls, which by my memory, all lead to 2 points on free throws. 1 rebound and 1 turnover. His play so far this year has been so abysmal that they make these numbers look good. The fact is that, in our championship runs the last two years, our back up to our back up was giving us better production. To wit, Joey California was giving more than what Aidan is giving us, and he was the second PG off the bench, to say nothing about Diarra last year, who was superb.
  • But I can live with all of it if he could defend the position. Is anyone on either side of my dying hill gonna make the argument that this kid can play D????
I aint dead yet....
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  1. Penetrating moves being a basic skillset - Fair point, but if my doctor got an A in Biology then I'd be happy about it!
  2. 4 fouls leading to 2 points each - Foul #1 led to 2 FTs, but he cut off his man to prevent points twice and scored his own layup once in the few possessions before it. Foul #2 was due to bad defense and led to 2 points, but he had that great assist to Ross on the next play. Foul #3 was a bad call that led to 2 points, but on the next play he beat the pressure/double team and got a hockey assist for a Solo 3. Foul #4 - Samson and Solo miserably botched their assignments, so it was actually good that Mahaney fouled here instead of giving up an open dunk. Not going to argue against Mahaney being worse (so far) than Joey C/Diarra, that is true. But if we're bringing up this comparison, it's worth mentioning that Joey was nearly unplayable for pretty much 2 months before coming alive. Who's to say that can't happen with Aidan?
  3. Also not going to pretend that he is a good defender, because he's not. But he wasn't that bad against DePaul (already did the play by play analysis so won't go into details again). DePaul scored 68 points which is the 2nd lowest non-cupcake point total allowed this year. They shot 6.2% FG% and 13.5% 3P points lower than their season averages, so I wouldn't say the defense was a problem at all. Again, they were dead in the water except that second half run which was driven by Karaban/Solo/Stewart combining for 5 turnovers in 3 minutes and shooting 0-3 (2-2 FT)
Your issues with Mahaney are legitimate, but not on Wednesday. You'll probably be able to copy and paste that same exact message after a game where he does poorly and it'll all be correct, but not against DePaul :)
 
HailUConn said:
Hope Liam's ankle is nothing serious, just a twist. His ball handling is dearly missed in our offense.

is there a working theory as to why Nowell gets no minutes at all? Is he still not in game status? Just baffling why Dan did not even give some minutes to him when Diarra is in foul trouble and he wanted Mahaney to play off-ball, as in Joe's role.
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I thought he looked pretty good earlier in the season when he played a little.
 
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