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LOL can't say the refs are favoring Duke on those last couple plays
 
Kolumbo said:
The SEC just shellacked the ACC. If it's happening, it's happening, as many already suspected. Not much we can do about it.
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1-14, though duke going to win the late one.

I haven't added it up, but I suspect the average margin is more than 15 points in favor of the SEC
 
The ACC ended up with a 2-14 record against the SEC. How is that possible for a major conference to put up that kind of performance against another major conference? Just random probability should put the floor around 4 wins, with a smattering of close games. Through tonight, I think the SEC is 26-3 against the ACC this year, and 18 of those wins were by double digits.

The SEC is 4-3 against the Big East, and 3 of those 4 wins were by 4 points or less.

Has the ACC fallen that far?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC ended up with a 2-14 record against the SEC. How is that possible for a major conference to put up that kind of performance against another major conference? Just random probability should put the floor around 4 wins, with a smattering of close games. Through tonight, I think the SEC is 26-3 against the ACC this year, and 18 of those wins were by double digits.

The SEC is 4-3 against the Big East, and 3 of those 4 wins were by 4 points or less.

Has the ACC fallen that far?
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yes.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC ended up with a 2-14 record against the SEC. How is that possible for a major conference to put up that kind of performance against another major conference? Just random probability should put the floor around 4 wins, with a smattering of close games. Through tonight, I think the SEC is 26-3 against the ACC this year, and 18 of those wins were by double digits.

The SEC is 4-3 against the Big East, and 3 of those 4 wins were by 4 points or less.

Has the ACC fallen that far?
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Duke might win the regular season by 5 games
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC ended up with a 2-14 record against the SEC. How is that possible for a major conference to put up that kind of performance against another major conference? Just random probability should put the floor around 4 wins, with a smattering of close games. Through tonight, I think the SEC is 26-3 against the ACC this year, and 18 of those wins were by double digits.

The SEC is 4-3 against the Big East, and 3 of those 4 wins were by 4 points or less.

Has the ACC fallen that far?
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The price of expansion. I wonder if the ACC office ever wonders why they took half the teams they’ve taken over the last 20 or so years.
 
HooperScooper said:
The price of expansion. I wonder if the ACC office ever wonders why they took half the teams they’ve taken over the last 20 or so years.
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If the ACC thought about this 1% as much as I have, I'd be shocked. The ACC braintrust is DOA.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC ended up with a 2-14 record against the SEC. How is that possible for a major conference to put up that kind of performance against another major conference? Just random probability should put the floor around 4 wins, with a smattering of close games. Through tonight, I think the SEC is 26-3 against the ACC this year, and 18 of those wins were by double digits.

The SEC is 4-3 against the Big East, and 3 of those 4 wins were by 4 points or less.

Has the ACC fallen that far?
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Some might say it's like the "curse of the Bambino".
In this instance, though, the Boston team saw to it that the team from the sixth borough wasn't picked up.
 
HooperScooper said:
The price of expansion. I wonder if the ACC office ever wonders why they took half the teams they’ve taken over the last 20 or so years.
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They stayed roughly within their traditional geographic area (till this year) while others used their big media contracts to get better teams.

So now they've tried to catch up with West Coast teams as week as BCU..........we're still available but their pride will likely keep us out until we win #8 for the men, #14 for the women and we make the football playoffs as an independent!
 
How do you get that schmuck Kobe to show his sorry butt on this board. Does he post on a B 12 board? Never hunted for a troll before, might be fun
 
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SEC has probably 12 teams that can make the NCAA tournament. For a football conference they are playing pretty good basketball this year.
 
HooperScooper said:
The price of expansion. I wonder if the ACC office ever wonders why they took half the teams they’ve taken over the last 20 or so years.
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The ACC’s primary expansion strategy is to make BCU happy by not taking UConn. Not working out that well for the ACC.
 
imno1 said:
Can someone tell Dusty May you can’t play 2 bigs together.
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It won’t be Hurley…kind of weird seeing Reed and Johnson out there together
 
CJasmer said:
SEC has probably 12 teams that can make the NCAA tournament. For a football conference they are playing pretty good basketball this year.
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There's been a different shift nobody is talking about. Back when the early Big East started the truly big recruiting areas were NY/NJ, DC & Baltimore, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, LA. Now the talent is often in the same place as the football talent. The other factor is that the SEC/ACC schools have become more popular for northern kids (this is true outside of athletes as well). Add in the money factor and it's a recipe for success. The ACC should be able to benefit as well, but they haven't.
 
CJasmer said:
SEC has probably 12 teams that can make the NCAA tournament. For a football conference they are playing pretty good basketball this year.
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Some conferences have good years and other have down years, but they generally stay within a range. The SEC is pretty good this year, with four legitimate Final Four caliber teams (Alabama, Kentucky, Auburn, Tennessee), a few more Sweet 16 caliber (Florida, Georgia, Mississippi State, Mississippi), and a few more that will be fighting for bids. 15 of the 16 members of the league could go .500 in league play and get a bid, which is impressive, and even the worst team, South Carolina, is not bad. But despite having had such a strong year, the SEC is still only 17-12 against the Big 10, Big 12 and Big East, and the wins are mostly close, with only 6 of those wins by double digits, and 5 of the losses by double digits. But the SEC is completely dominating the ACC, with a 26-3 record against the ACC, and 18 of those wins by double digits.

The Big East is having a down year this year, and a down year means that it has maybe one or two Final Four contenders and maybe three or four teams that even have a reasonable shot at making the Sweet Sixteen. It has a team that is really bad, Seton Hall, that is picking up some bad losses and has another, Villanova, with a coach that is in over his head and loses to teams it shouldn’t lose to. It is still .500 against the other majors but has picked up a few more mid and low major losses than it should have. That is what a bad year for a major conference should look like.

The ACC is 14-43 against the other majors, and many of those losses are blowouts. By way of comparison, the A10 is 8-12. Over half the ACC is outside the Top 100 in the NET, and that includes some weird NETs like UNC which is getting rewarded for getting blown out by good teams. Less than half the league would get a bid if it went .500 in league play, and it is only the first week of December. That number is likely to go down. The ACC is looking like a 4 bid league, out of 18 teams.

The Pac 12 had some really bad years, but with the P4 leagues getting so big, you would have expected a regression to the mean, not one league falling off a cliff.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC’s primary expansion strategy is to make BCU happy by not taking UConn. Not working out that well for the ACC.
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I will not shed a tear if the ACC blows up in realignment down the road.
Wait, actually I will shed some tears...tears of JOY. F the ACC and I hope they implode sooner than later.
 
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HooperScooper said:
The price of expansion. I wonder if the ACC office ever wonders why they took half the teams they’ve taken over the last 20 or so year
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Folks have gotta stop with this notion that the ACC is unhappy. They are in the P4. Two conferences that didn’t adapt aren’t.

They have a conference network, one of the P4 doesn’t.

They haven’t played everything right, but they have done pretty well for themselves.
 
SEC and B18 have loads of money, is filtering into M&WBB - coaches and players. Will be tough to keep up, not as bad as football but still up hill climb.
 
uh-no said:
cal and stanford were a "good fit" with their significantly underperforming football and basketball programs
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But it did elevate the conference's academic profile. Maybe they were trying to compete with the Ivy League. :)
 
Cade Tyson was a big fish in the portal and he's barely playing for UNC, I thought he would have a bigger role

www.espn.com

Cade Tyson Career Stats - NCAAM - ESPN

Complete career NCAAM stats for the Minnesota Golden Gophers Guard Cade Tyson on ESPN. Includes points, rebounds, and assists.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC ended up with a 2-14 record against the SEC. How is that possible for a major conference to put up that kind of performance against another major conference? Just random probability should put the floor around 4 wins, with a smattering of close games. Through tonight, I think the SEC is 26-3 against the ACC this year, and 18 of those wins were by double digits.

The SEC is 4-3 against the Big East, and 3 of those 4 wins were by 4 points or less.

Has the ACC fallen that far?
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Yes, they really suck. It’s why they took a bunch of time last year to trick people like you into believing the actual issue was other conferences manipulating the metrics. That’s a way better narrative for them than their conference being terrible with a bunch of meh coaches.
 
HuskyHawk said:
There's been a different shift nobody is talking about. Back when the early Big East started the truly big recruiting areas were NY/NJ, DC & Baltimore, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, LA. Now the talent is often in the same place as the football talent. The other factor is that the SEC/ACC schools have become more popular for northern kids (this is true outside of athletes as well). Add in the money factor and it's a recipe for success. The ACC should be able to benefit as well, but they haven't.
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The actual shift is the SEC has a bunch of great coaches now and the ACC doesn’t.
 
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aceboon said:
Cade Tyson was a big fish in the portal and he's barely playing for UNC, I thought he would have a bigger role

www.espn.com

Cade Tyson Career Stats - NCAAM - ESPN

Complete career NCAAM stats for the Minnesota Golden Gophers Guard Cade Tyson on ESPN. Includes points, rebounds, and assists.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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This surprised me a lot, too. I remember him being on the top of the list for portal transfers. Looking at his game log you can see he barely gets any minutes when UNC plays better competition, that doesn't mean American University where he got 21 minutes.
 
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