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Dawn Staley "It felt great beating UConn"

TC22 said:
Ummmmm…. I said as a player AND coach. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but I don’t believe I am. I’ve heard it before so I didn’t just make it up. I didn’t say it to discredit anybody. Another poster said Dawn was arrogant. My comment to them was that she might be Cocky but she could back it up. Her resume is listed below.
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Dawn Staley - Wikipedia

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Yes, Pat Summitt was a player before she was a coach, an Olympian. And she was a young coach without the mentoring a lot of current coaches have had. Her resume was linked above.

This isn’t meant as any kind of denigration of Dawn’s accomplishments. Just a rebuttal of the “…in the world” statement
 
ThatCG1801 said:
OMG... This is the truth. They HATE us. They despise Dawn, too. They're like a pack of territorial attack dogs that feel like just bc Dawn and South Carolina are praised and in the spotlight now, it lessens the memory of Pat's accomplishments when one fact can stand independent of the other and both still be true.
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Welcome to the club. :)
 
ThatCG1801 said:
OMG... This is the truth. They HATE us. They despise Dawn, too. They're like a pack of territorial attack dogs that feel like just bc Dawn and South Carolina are praised and in the spotlight now, it lessens the memory of Pat's accomplishments when one fact can stand independent of the other and both still be true.
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It can't be any worse than what they say about UConn and Geno.
 
Bald Huskie said:
It can't be any worse than what they say about UConn and Geno.
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Probably not and of course the only way Dawn gets players is because she cheats. She must have learned how when she was Geno’s assistant with the Olympic team. Nice of Geno to divulge his recruiting strategies to Dawn. In retrospect I bet he wishes he’d not been so helpful. :rolleyes:

And before anybody jumps on me and says I said Geno cheats, I am not. It is sarcasm and I am making fun of Tennessee.
 
Aluminny69 said:
I need a clarification about her comments that coaches should get equal pay. A great sound byte, but what does it mean? Each coach is an individual, regardless of race or sex. There are many factors that go into what a coach should earn. Which two coaches, if any, deserve the exact same salary?
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I think we could all agree that a MBB and WBB coach with similar rates of success/championships are not getting paid the same. IMO, that's what she meant.
 
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Hayven said:
Love her or hate her, she’s obviously going to continue attracting players. After it’s all said and done, she will pass Summit for the most championships for a female coach….she may even challenge Geno’s number
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Bold statement and wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to early. Let’s wait until at least a “grip” of trophies?
 
ThatCG1801 said:
Wait... WHAT? She was suspended 3 games during the tournament, correct? And we never found out the actual reason why?
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I heard it was missing class, but I don't know that for certain.
 
ThatCG1801 said:
The timing of that seems curious, tho, bc of when spring break occurred and when the suspension occurred.
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Yeah, the suspension for missing class is questionable. I’ve followed this program since Dawn got here and I don’t EVER remember anybody being suspended for 3 games for anything.
 
cockhrnleghrn said:
I think we could all agree that a MBB and WBB coach with similar rates of success/championships are not getting paid the same. IMO, that's what she meant.
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Probably because they are not bringing in the anywhere near the same revenues re: crowds, broadcast rates etc. You are comparing apples to oranges.
 
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Charliebball said:
I wasn't a big fan of Dawn's before I met her years ago at MSG when UConn played against the USA national team.........I was with my younger daughter and Dawn came over and spoke to us for what must have been five minutes......she was funny and extremely nice.......although I hated that UConn lost to SC, I have to admit as a person she certainly won me over.....
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She won me over when Bibby was hurt in the SC game played at MSST. First person on the court to comfort Bibby: Dawn Staley! Dawn is a credit to WCBB.
 
CL82 said:
I have to say, I like her. I don’t particularly like losing to her, but I do like Dawn. She’s bright, funny, and very comfortable in her own skin. I also like that she’s aware of the impact she can have on other coaches in is cognizant of paying it forward.
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I like Dawn a lot too.

I appreciate that she appreciated the UConn program. She spoke at length about appreciating Bird and Taurasi on the national team - which shut a lot of people up. And I remember her saying that you can tell when a player is from UConn, culture wise.

I also appreciate, that she didn’t just expect equal treatment and respect by the media. She knew she had to earn it, and she went out and did it.
 
Aluminny69 said:
Probably because they are not bringing in the anywhere near the same revenues re: crowds, broadcast rates etc. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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Except in the case of Dawn, she brought in twice as many fans to home games which means money in the community, eyes on the campus, more recruits and in our case recruits for other sports want to meet with Dawn. She's well worth her money to the school and community.
 
Dawn is not concerned with players that leave she's able to nab top tier talent whenever she chooses wherever she chooses whether its recruiting high schools or the transfer portal. She has no established the premiere destination in women's basketball.
 
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visitingcock said:
Does anybody know where SC and UConn are going to play this year?
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as of now its in Connecticut (hopefully Gampel) although I think there was mention of them making up the game in SC this year and moving the other two back.
 
Aluminny69 said:
Probably because they are not bringing in the anywhere near the same revenues re: crowds, broadcast rates etc. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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Yes and no. Its a thorny issue, and not so easy to resolve.

Absolutely, in terms of what they bring to the university, most men's coaches produce far more in revenue, crowds, etc. As someone pointed out, Dawn outperforms the men at her school, but then, she is very well rewarded, she isn't talking about her salary specifically but the "average" or "general" disparity.

But where it gets tough is the realization that they are ultimately performing the same job. Is the claim that the salary is not based on how well they coach the team but on the revenue the sport generates (which is pretty much the case right now)? Doesn't seem quite right. That would suggest a men's team coach with a losing or .500 record, but who draws big crowds, should be paid more than a Women's coach whose teams make the NCAA's virtually every year. As I say, it does seem off. Are we saying that its like someone working for a fortune 500 company vs. a mom-and-pop, such that one is more financially successful so the bigger company can pay more?

Part of my take is actually that the men's coaches are paid far more than is "reasonable". Heck, the money is shoveled their way at schools whose athletic programs are not self-sufficient and where some of the money is generated from taxes and student fees.
 
In addition to what KnightBridgeAZ said above: It's a UNIVERSITY, not a corporation. (And even when it's a corporation, the link between earnings and executive salaries is tenuous.)

But even with that said, if bringing in money has a large bearing on compensation, the directors of large research institutes at universities should be the highest paid. Johns Hopkins tops the list of universities with the most federal funding, with more than twice the funding of the next-highest-funded university. The Applied Physics Laboratory and Medical School both bring in something approaching a billion dollars a year, so by that measure, their directors should be making WAY more than any football coach. Ain't gonna happen. I have no idea abut the medical school, but I seriously doubt if the director of APL makes more than half a million.
 
jpp13 said:
as of now its in Connecticut (hopefully Gampel) although I think there was mention of them making up the game in SC this year and moving the other two back.
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I think USC and UCONN should play a neutral site game in Philly every year and a 2nd game alternating between home arenas. With both coaches being from Philly, it would be a huge deal. It's closer to Storrs, but only a day's drive or train ride from Columbia.
 
cockhrnleghrn said:
I think USC and UCONN should play a neutral site game in Philly every year and a 2nd game alternating between home arenas. With both coaches being from Philly, it would be a huge deal. It's closer to Storrs, but only a day's drive or train ride from Columbia.
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I don’t think two teams in different conferences can schedule to play twice in one year unless one of those games is in a tournament where they aren’t guaranteed to meet. Like last year.
 
visitingcock said:
I don’t think two teams in different conferences can schedule to play twice in one year unless one of those games is in a tournament where they aren’t guaranteed to meet. Like last year.
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UConn and Tennessee used to play a home and home during the season.
 
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Aluminny69 said:
Can you give me an example of a male and a female coach with the exact same resume?
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I think you may be missing the point. She’s not advocating for every individual male and female coach to make the same salary. Dawn herself is among the highest-paid coaches in the sport. She’s pointing out that there are statistical collective disparities between A) male and female coaches in women’s college basketball and B) men’s college basketball coaches and women’s college basketball coaches.

Gender pay gaps, both within the women’s game and compared to the men’s counterpart product, are well-documented and really not up for debate.
 
cockhrnleghrn said:
I think USC and UCONN should play a neutral site game in Philly every year and a 2nd game alternating between home arenas. With both coaches being from Philly, it would be a huge deal. It's closer to Storrs, but only a day's drive or train ride from Columbia.
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I don’t know how much you get out of a third game. (see what I did there?) but if you like that format, I wouldn’t mind throwing in a neutral site in the rotation. So one home, or away, or neutral every year. I wouldn’t mind doing one at Madison Square Garden either. Would gamecock fans come to New York for it? I suspect that ESPN would bid for the neutral site games.

I like playing you guys during the season. It is a great test as to where each program is at that point in time.
 
GoChips20 said:
I think you may be missing the point. She’s not advocating for every individual male and female coach to make the same salary. Dawn herself is among the highest-paid coaches in the sport. She’s pointing out that there are statistical collective disparities between A) male and female coaches in women’s college basketball and B) men’s college basketball coaches and women’s college basketball coaches.

Gender pay gaps, both within the women’s game and compared to the men’s counterpart product, are well-documented and really not up for debate.
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Your choice A is an apples to apples comparison while your choice B is not. So while the B differential is undoubtedly well documented it isn’t particularly relevant or informative.
 
gold2323 said:
After Boston and the bigs graduate let us evaluate what great she is and the SC program
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Yeah, there's no one that can stop Boston. To beat SC, our guards had to outplay their guards, and the reverse happened :-(
 
CL82 said:
I don’t know how much you get out of a third game. (see what I did there?) but if you like that format, I wouldn’t mind throwing in a neutral site in the rotation. So one home, or away, or neutral every year. I wouldn’t mind doing one at Madison Square Garden either. Would gamecock fans come to New York for it? I suspect that ESPN would bid for the neutral site games.

I like playing you guys during the season. It is a great test as to where each program is at that point in time.
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I love games at MSG and Barclays. When our MBB team played in the regional finals at MSG in 2017 we had over 10,000 fans there, so I think it could work. USC has a large alumni base in the tri-state area. I'll be added to those numbers when I retire.
 
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