Dawn Staley- HAS ANYONE NOTICED? Thanks CD

[Kibitzer]

I don't know why Geno's salty language is OK and Dawn's makes her a bad person. Unless someone thinks only women can't use bad language, to which I say

I think you meant to say

 

[Monte]

Lots of coaches curse at the refs. On all levels. JC did it. Sometimes they deserve it.

No, they make mistakes, but they don't deserve CURSING. It is starting to get worse with more and more coaches. JC did do it; if fact, he used get into his players' faces cursing so bad that you could hear it on TV; the fans, especially youngsters sitting behind the bench, heard every word. University officials, reprimanded him, and he toned down(just a little).
In Major League baseball, if you yell a curse word, directed at an umpire, you are out of the game. The NCAA should adopt this rule. There is no need for this vivid language. From the coaches, it carries over to the players. When they are displeased, you can see them mouthing the swear words when they are on the court.

 

[donalddoowop]

I'm a former boys and girls high school and women's college basketball official. The "F" and "MF" words were automatic technical foul and ejection words. I resigned because the players, coaches, and fans got to be TOO MUCH out of hand to the point I was ready to talk back to them the way they were talking to me. Most of the players and fans did not know the rules but that did not stop them from complaining. However, I know that some refs have no business officiating. They hurt the game.

 

[Trappist]

From all that I have read either by or about John Wooden - he didn't use bad language. In fact, he barely raised his voice. Enough said...

 

[BobbyJ]

Wooden didn't need to. He recruited players that were intelligent enough to understand what he was teaching and could understand basketball concepts. When asked about the micro-managers prancing the sidelines trying to control every pass and cut and defensive movement he would say that they wouldn't have to work that hard if they did their job in practice and had the right players. Auriemma has tremendous respect for Wooden and as he's gotten older has incorporated more and more of Wooden's philosophies into his program. That's why he has the best, smartest, and most disciplined team in the country.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

I just wanna know who on the team does all that god awful shrieking. I'm guessing it's a coach? I had to turn down the volume last year in our game because it was so obnoxious.

Nikki McCray

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Back when UCONN was in the Big East at the BE Tournament at the XL Center, a friend of mine, a HS ref who always worked the tables during the games. The next morning after one semi-final game he asked a bunch of us "who's the Black lady who coaches Rutgers?" We told him Vivien Stringer. He said, "that lady curses through the whole game, F..k this, F..k that", to her Assts., Players, Refs, anyone within ear shot, every other word out of her mouth was a curse word!
When I watch SoCar play, every close up shows Dawn Staley cursing at someone, with a growling look as if she could kill...
that may be PHILLY BASKETBALL but it shouldn't be used in WCBB!

Why should WBB be any different than MBB? Have you ever heard Coach K at a Duke game? Dawn grew up in inner city Philly; I expect her to be tough as nails. I sit 4 rows from the court behind the scorer's table and I've never heard a South Carolina player say anything off color to a ref. Dawn curses, but nothing any worse than Frank Martin or Coach K or any other coach I've had the pleasure to watch. Matthew Mitchell whines; that gets on my nerves.

 

[HoopsFan21]

Nikki McCray

It's funny that it's her, because right now on SNY they are replaying Birth of a Dynasty, and Nikki McCray is the one player from Tennessee they interviewed for the show.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

It's funny that it's her, because right now on SNY they are replaying Birth of a Dynasty, and Nikki McCray is the one player from Tennessee they interviewed for the show.

She has a distinctive voice that gets picked up on TV. I never hear her when I'm at the games and I don't sit far from our bench.

 

[Gus Mahler]

From all that I have read either by or about John Wooden - he didn't use bad language. In fact, he barely raised his voice. Enough said...

Wooden didn't use foul language but he was a ref baiter and trash talker during games.

 

[Baroloboy]

Don't care that Staley is a good coach,I really don't like or respect her. Most respected coaches; Muffet, Sherry Coale (mulky makes me laugh, with her antics). I'm sure there are more but all I can think of right now.

Favorite coachs? I presume Holly Warlick's name just slipped your mind.

 

[ocoandasoc]

I believe that what Dawn may be observed doing is a technique that many coaches use. You talk and say things to your players just loud enough for the ref to overhear so you get your point across without out getting T'd. I used to do the same thing in baseball when I would talk to my pitchers or batters loud enough so the umpire would hear. (I'll leave out the profanity, but I would say... "Okay, the ump is missing everything on the inside of the plate... I'm not blaming you, it's not your fault... but if he's going to call the game so poorly we've got to adjust..." etc. )

I suspect, however, that Dawn does not leave out the profanity.

 

[Phillyconn]

No, they make mistakes, but they don't deserve CURSING. It is starting to get worse with more and more coaches. JC did do it; if fact, he used get into his players' faces cursing so bad that you could hear it on TV; the fans, especially youngsters sitting behind the bench, heard every word. University officials, reprimanded him, and he toned down(just a little).
In Major League baseball, if you yell a curse word, directed at an umpire, you are out of the game. The NCAA should adopt this rule. There is no need for this vivid language. From the coaches, it carries over to the players. When they are displeased, you can see them mouthing the swear words when they are on the court.

Taking cursing out of sports is sorta like trying to take fighting out of hockey. Doesn't bother me at all. In fact it's kind of amusing. Loosen up.

 

[HuskyNan]

I'm not sure how many of you are parents, but I have two kids in college and have spent an awful lot of time around young people in the last 20 years or so. About 10 years ago, i was at one of my sons' middle school (7th-9th grade) soccer games and was sitting in front of a group of cheerleaders for the other team. You should have heard them talking to each other about " this" and " that". Another time, I picked up the headphones for one of my kids online multi-player games and got an earful of 4 letter words. When they were in high school, I was quartermaster for the marching band and spent hours upon hours with 100 high schoolers and, wow, salty doesn't describe the words used. These are all good kids and good students, from good families. It's how kids talk. Swearing and being "cool", I guess you'd call itc is just a ritual of youth and I'd bet a lot of you under 60 grew up doing exactly the same thing years ago.

The college players aren't fragile flowers that are going to be emotionally damaged by a couple of f-bombs, they're strong, capable student-athletes that have banged bodies with 6' tall women and, I would guess, said a few pithy words here and there during the heat of the game themselves. It's just MHO but it's paternalistic of posters to think it's bad to swear around women because it might hurt them somehow.

As I used to say in college, noise.

 

[nd2tty]

Geno has greatly toned down his histrionics, to the point I can't remember his last technical foul. But earlier in his career he was very animated and not infrequently got T'ed up.

He has spoken about his early coaching days, when he truly believed he could effect the outcome on the court every second of a game. He has come to realize that he can prepare the team, he can make specific adjustments and manage substitutions, but most of the time he is at the mercy of the basketball gods and his own players game day psyches. It has been a relaxing realization for him and probably added to his heart health!

Just last year, against Green Bay.

 

[OldAlum]

There is a big difference between a coach cursing or complaining about how the refs are calling the game and cursing AT a ref or allowing players to mouth off to a ref. I haven't seen evidence that DS has done the latter...

Even when I taught middle school, there were different consequences for a student cursing. To say something like "This is ____ing stupid!" was one level. To tell someone to "____ off" or the like was a more serious offense.

 

[SCGamecock]

There is a big difference between a coach cursing or complaining about how the refs are calling the game and cursing AT a ref or allowing players to mouth off to a ref. I haven't seen evidence that DS has done the latter...

Even when I taught middle school, there were different consequences for a student cursing. To say something like "This is ____ing stupid!" was one level. To tell someone to "____ off" or the like was a more serious offense.

I used to work every summer for a summer program for middle schoolers. Cursing was a slap on the wrist offense. I was in middle school a little over 10 years ago and you at least got sent to the principal or in school suspension for cursing. Not anymore.

Like you said though, it's really the nature of the offense. If students cursed casually in conversation it was overlooked or the teacher would say something like "watch your mouth, Susie".. "Mind your manners, Danny"... Cursing at adults was always handled appropriately.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

I'm not sure how many of you are parents, but I have two kids in college and have spent an awful lot of time around young people in the last 20 years or so. About 10 years ago, i was at one of my sons' middle school (7th-9th grade) soccer games and was sitting in front of a group of cheerleaders for the other team. You should have heard them talking to each other about " this" and " that". Another time, I picked up the headphones for one of my kids online multi-player games and got an earful of 4 letter words. When they were in high school, I was quartermaster for the marching band and spent hours upon hours with 100 high schoolers and, wow, salty doesn't describe the words used. These are all good kids and good students, from good families. It's how kids talk. Swearing and being "cool", I guess you'd call itc is just a ritual of youth and I'd bet a lot of you under 60 grew up doing exactly the same thing years ago.

The college players aren't fragile flowers that are going to be emotionally damaged by a couple of f-bombs, they're strong, capable student-athletes that have banged bodies with 6' tall women and, I would guess, said a few pithy words here and there during the heat of the game themselves. It's just MHO but it's paternalistic of posters to think it's bad to swear around women because it might hurt them somehow.

As I used to say in college, noise.

It reminds me of all the times through the years that people have gotten on to me at games about cheering against WBB players the same way I do against MBB players. I never use 4 letter words, but there is no reason to treat WBB players any different than MBB players.

 

[RSHERMVIKES]

In the late '80's and early '90's I coached HS Girls Field Hockey, JV & then Varsity in the fall and my main sport Wrestling in the winter, and the girls were filthier talkers than my Wrestlers! I coached the FH as I did my Wrestlers. as tough and demanding and the girls really appreciated that from me! I really enjoyed coaching the young ladies for those 8 years!

 

[Monte]

I asked this question before, but never got an answer. Coaches of boy's and men's basketball teams argue and yell at the Refs all the time. It is almost like they feel obligated to argue, especially if the opposing coach is complaining to the Refs.

Back in the early seventies when Women's/ Girl's basketball started from Title IX, there was a rule, in high school anyway, that coaches were not allowed to say ANYTHING to the Refs. If you even looked at the Refs the wrong way, you were given a technical foul. It was a definite double standard. Does anyone else remember this rule? And when did it change? I know I'm not the only old timer on this board.

You are correct. Kids will imitate their elders; whether it be parents OR coaches. I have seen kids who were brought up by parents who laid the rules down about swearing. The best of the best, of this kind, didn't swear just because their coaches did.

 

[TroyHouse66]

rsherm
<<...I coached HS Girls Field Hockey... in the fall and ... Wrestling in the winter, and the girls were filthier talkers than my Wrestlers!>>

Perhaps?
They were just using their indoors voices....

 

[mudcat]

Don't care that Staley is a good coach,I really don't like or respect her. Most respected coaches; Muffet, Sherry Coale (mulky makes me laugh, with her antics). I'm sure there are more but all I can think of right now.

Well, Auriemma must disagree because he keeps choosing her as an assistant for international competition.

 

[mudcat]

I really didnt want to post this at first.., but I'gonna share what I saw. ...
I have noticed that Dawn of SC has been teaching her kids often to have disdain for the refs. I care not to repeat what I've seen her say to her players on the edge of court as the other team is shooting free throws or whatever. One may be mad at the refs, and sure they do make some bad calls, but teaching your kids to say #*%@$ them, @*#$÷# them refs in a very disdainful manner is so disrespectful and teaches kids to hate authority, and be much more self centered. This left such a bad taste in my mouth.

You want to be TRULY succesful, liked and respected by your peers, this is not the way to go about learning it.
Thanks Chris Daley for all you do. You make more of and impact than you will ever know.

She's liked and respected by Geno, which is why he keeps picking her as an assistant for international competition. And so far, she's been pretty successful as a coach at Temple and SC.

 

[CocoHusky]

When I watch SoCar play, every close up shows Dawn Staley cursing at someone, with a growling look as if she could kill...
that may be PHILLY BASKETBALL but it shouldn't be used in WCBB!

Seems to work pretty well for Geno!

 

[HoopsFan21]

Seems to work pretty well for Geno!

And Muffet!