Dan Hurley/Kimani Young post game press conference

[JustbrewitMan]

Actually, as stupid as this seems, it is the refs business. Here is the rule from the NCAA book:

Rule 10 Section 3. CLASS A Unsporting Technical Infractions Art. 1. A player or substitute committing an unsportsmanlike act including, but not limited to, the following: a. Disrespectfully addressing an official or gesturing in such a manner as to indicate resentment. b. Using profanity or vulgarity; taunting, baiting or ridiculing another player or bench personnel; or pointing a finger at or making obscene gestures toward another player or bench personnel. c. Inciting undesirable crowd reaction.

This is what the head of officials will likely hang their hat on for giving Hurley the boot last night. Do I agree with it? No. But, the rules support what was done.

I'd like to be in the room when the head of officials tries to argue that "inciting a crowd to cheer for their team" is deemed to be "undesirable crowd reaction".

If crowd noise is considered undesirable, we might as well just stop playing all competitive sports at all levels and just play Wordle on our smartphones for eternity.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Actually, as stupid as this seems, it is the refs business. Here is the rule from the NCAA book:

Rule 10 Section 3. CLASS A Unsporting Technical Infractions Art. 1. A player or substitute committing an unsportsmanlike act including, but not limited to, the following: a. Disrespectfully addressing an official or gesturing in such a manner as to indicate resentment. b. Using profanity or vulgarity; taunting, baiting or ridiculing another player or bench personnel; or pointing a finger at or making obscene gestures toward another player or bench personnel. c. Inciting undesirable crowd reaction.

This is what the head of officials will likely hang their hat on for giving Hurley the boot last night. Do I agree with it? No. But, the rules support what was done.

The refs have very, very wide discretion on enforcing any of these provisions.

Giving a T for Hurley pumping up the crowd after the first T is barely reasonable by the letter of the law and downright pathetic by the spirit of it.

 

[rjw04001]

I'd like to be in the room when the head of officials tries to argue that "inciting a crowd to cheer for their team" is deemed to be "undesirable crowd reaction".

If crowd noise is considered undesirable, we might as well just stop playing all competitive sports at all levels and just play Wordle on our smartphones for eternity.

I'd have to imagine that when the phrase "undesirable crowd reaction" was written it was meant for the "BULL-" or "AS*-HOLE" chants. Can't wait to hear the official BE spin-zone on why the 2nd technical was 'warranted'.

 

[Rico444]

It's insane how much power refs have. That's how you get situations like last night where they can make it all about themselves and face zero consequences.

 

[UncleSpliff]

You’re a broken record no one wants to listen to.

“broken record?” I hardly post on here. Go away clown

 

[SubbaBub]

Second T was totally worth it.

 

[husky429]

Rule 10 Section 3. CLASS A Unsporting Technical Infractions Art. 1. A player or substitute committing an unsportsmanlike act including, but not limited to, the following: a. Disrespectfully addressing an official or gesturing in such a manner as to indicate resentment. b. Using profanity or vulgarity; taunting, baiting or ridiculing another player or bench personnel; or pointing a finger at or making obscene gestures toward another player or bench personnel. c. Inciting undesirable crowd reaction.

1) Rules get overlooked all the time. I have seen dozens and dozens of coaches get a crowd to cheer, everywhere from middle school to NBA games without a technical foul.

2) The crowd cheering is not an "undesirable crowd reaction." That's a totally subjective call. An undesirable crowd reaction could be getting fans to rush the court, getting them to boo at a specific opposing player, etc. Fans cheering (instead of boo'ing that same ref, I may add) is actually a GOOD THING.

3) Just because you think Hurley is a jerk doesn't mean he was this time. Yeah, he deserved the first T pretty clearly... he might have even gotten it on purpose. The second one was unwarranted. Period.

 

[Huskybass]

Actually, as stupid as this seems, it is the refs business. Here is the rule from the NCAA book:

Rule 10 Section 3. CLASS A Unsporting Technical Infractions Art. 1. A player or substitute committing an unsportsmanlike act including, but not limited to, the following: a. Disrespectfully addressing an official or gesturing in such a manner as to indicate resentment. b. Using profanity or vulgarity; taunting, baiting or ridiculing another player or bench personnel; or pointing a finger at or making obscene gestures toward another player or bench personnel. c. Inciting undesirable crowd reaction.

This is what the head of officials will likely hang their hat on for giving Hurley the boot last night. Do I agree with it? No. But, the rules support what was done.

Taken out of context, I could see your point...

HOWEVER, what actually happened was the crowd reacted very strongly to Adama Sanogo playing the voice of reason and directing his head coach away from any further confrontation. Hurley fed off of that reaction and encouraged the crowd to roar in support of UConn. That should not have been grounds for a second technical, but taken out of context I can see how the ref would have concluded that Hurley was trying to show him up. I truly believe if the ref new the whole story and wasn't 50 or 60 ft away he would not have called that second technical.

That said, I'm sure Hurley is one of the tougher / more annoying coaches that many of these refs encounter and it certainly appears that they have collectively had their fill of his antics. I love that what happened last night happened in a game that we were still able to pull out over a top 10 team. Hurley will learn from what happened yesterday and I'm sure that while he will remain passionate and a little bit nutso, he will conduct himself in a manner that is less likely to run afoul of the officials in the future.

 

[8893]

Taken out of context, I could see your point...

HOWEVER, what actually happened was the crowd reacted very strongly to Adama Sanogo playing the voice of reason and directing his head coach away from any further confrontation. Hurley fed off of that reaction and encouraged the crowd to roar in support of UConn. That should not have been grounds for a second technical, but taken out of context I can see how the ref would have concluded that Hurley was trying to show him up. I truly believe if the ref new the whole story and wasn't 50 or 60 ft away he would not have called that second technical.

That said, I'm sure Hurley is one of the tougher / more annoying coaches that many of these refs encounter and it certainly appears that they have collectively had their fill of his antics. I love that what happened last night happened in a game that we were still able to pull out over a top 10 team. Hurley will learn from what happened yesterday and I'm sure that while he will remain passionate and a little bit nutso, he will conduct himself in a manner that is less likely to run afoul of the officials in the future.

^This. 100%.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Taken out of context, I could see your point...

HOWEVER, what actually happened was the crowd reacted very strongly to Adama Sanogo playing the voice of reason and directing his head coach away from any further confrontation. Hurley fed off of that reaction and encouraged the crowd to roar in support of UConn. That should not have been grounds for a second technical, but taken out of context I can see how the ref would have concluded that Hurley was trying to show him up. I truly believe if the ref new the whole story and wasn't 50 or 60 ft away he would not have called that second technical.

That said, I'm sure Hurley is one of the tougher / more annoying coaches that many of these refs encounter and it certainly appears that they have collectively had their fill of his antics. I love that what happened last night happened in a game that we were still able to pull out over a top 10 team. Hurley will learn from what happened yesterday and I'm sure that while he will remain passionate and a little bit nutso, he will conduct himself in a manner that is less likely to run afoul of the officials in the future.

The 2nd T was entirely because the ref was angry/embarrassed that the crowd was getting riled up. That's it.

Absolutely pathetic and inexcusable.

 

[8893]

The 2nd T was entirely because the ref was angry/embarrassed that the crowd was getting riled up. That's it.

Absolutely pathetic and inexcusable.

But you have to know your audience, especially those who control your fate. It is easy to see how the ref thought Hurley was showing him up, and when you do that to a person who has power over you it frequently will not end well for you.

I might be speaking from experience here...

 

[WNConn]

As long as Kimani doesn’t go to Georgetown, Maryland (DMV recruiting) or Seton Hall I’ll be happy.

He’s going to get a high major job. Well deserved

Seems highly unlikely that a guy with no HC experience would get jobs of that caliber

 

[superjohn]

1) Rules get overlooked all the time. I have seen dozens and dozens of coaches get a crowd to cheer, everywhere from middle school to NBA games without a technical foul.

2) The crowd cheering is not an "undesirable crowd reaction." That's a totally subjective call. An undesirable crowd reaction could be getting fans to rush the court, getting them to boo at a specific opposing player, etc. Fans cheering (instead of boo'ing that same ref, I may add) is actually a GOOD THING.

3) Just because you think Hurley is a jerk doesn't mean he was this time. Yeah, he deserved the first T pretty clearly... he might have even gotten it on purpose. The second one was unwarranted. Period.

Poster thinks getting your home crowd to cheer is inciting an undesirable crowd reaction. I've never seen a college basketball coach kicked out of a game for getting his fans to cheer and I've watched a tremendous amount of games over the years. College basketball media is going in hard on that ref.

 

[metsfan2323]

Seems highly unlikely that a guy with no HC experience would get jobs of that caliber

I agree, and Willard is no where near a hot seat at Seton Hall, he has done a terrific job there.

Kimani would most likely get consideration from A10, MAC or AAC schools. UMASS could use a new coach.

If Georgetown makes a change I would like to see them go after Hunter at Tulane.

 

[giddyup]

Reminds me of the time Donny Marshall got a tech for smiling. The BE refs just don’t like Hurley and are going to continue T’ing him up and kicking him out of games. He better change its antics. It cost us in the Xavier game and almost cost us tonight.

The demeanor of Kimani was a great lesson. No panic. Cool and collected. Focused. Don’t think for a second different players didn’t show up in the last 1:30. They were focused, pushing and there was zero fear. As for Hurley, he’s dug himself a hole with the refs. Getting T’d and thrown out to pump up the crowd and team is not a long term strategy. He has to get some self control.

 

[8893]

Seems highly unlikely that a guy with no HC experience would get jobs of that caliber

It did happen here with Ollie...

 

[CL82]

Actually, as stupid as this seems, it is the refs business. Here is the rule from the NCAA book:

Rule 10 Section 3. CLASS A Unsporting Technical Infractions Art. 1. A player or substitute committing an unsportsmanlike act including, but not limited to, the following: a. Disrespectfully addressing an official or gesturing in such a manner as to indicate resentment. b. Using profanity or vulgarity; taunting, baiting or ridiculing another player or bench personnel; or pointing a finger at or making obscene gestures toward another player or bench personnel. c. Inciting undesirable crowd reaction.

This is what the head of officials will likely hang their hat on for giving Hurley the boot last night. Do I agree with it? No. But, the rules support what was done.

If cheering is in “undesirable crowd reaction“ then there really is no point to playing games anymore.

There is a line, Hurley didn’t cross it.

 

[RichCTBB]

The demeanor of Kimani was a great lesson. No panic. Cool and collected. Focused. Don’t think for a second different players didn’t show up in the last 1:30. They were focused, pushing and there was zero fear. As for Hurley, he’s dug himself a hole with the refs. Getting T’d and thrown out to pump up the crowd and team is not a long term strategy. He has to get some self control.

I’ve been impressed with Kimani every time he speaks. Great sense of the big picture and is always on point. His demeanor on the sideline was veteran-like. His challenge will be to surround himself with assistants of his caliber when he gets the offer.

 

[CL82]

The demeanor of Kimani was a great lesson. No panic. Cool and collected. Focused. Don’t think for a second different players didn’t show up in the last 1:30. They were focused, pushing and there was zero fear. As for Hurley, he’s dug himself a hole with the refs. Getting T’d and thrown out to pump up the crowd and team is not a long term strategy. He has to get some self control.

He was showing self control. He disengaged from the referees and turned to the crowd to get them cheering. Sorry, inciting vigorous applause is just not going to get you on the FBI’s most wanted list.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

In hindsight after this game I am glad he got ejected. the ejection got the crowd and players even more fired up and into a fevered pitch that intimidated the officials some

The crowd was yelling “ref you s…k”, and the refs could only listen. Lol

 

[metsfan2323]

He was showing self control. He disengage from the referees and turned to the crowd to get them cheering. Sorry, inciting vigorous applause is just not going to get you on the FBI’s most wanted list.

Yes apparently the ref decided to create his own rules, coaches can no longer encourage the crowd to make noise. Someone should ask him about future rule changes that he plans to make.

 

[RichCTBB]

And in other news, Syracuse could realistically close out the regular season with a 4 game losing streak and finish with a losing record. But they get ACC money.

 

[gtcam]

I was glad to hear Dan Hurley mention the 19-20 team as closing out the season as strong as any team in D1. I remain convinced that CV would've gotten UConn deep into the AAC championship and returned us to the tourney if given a chance to do so.

Thank you Storrsroars
Without a doubt
CV was a 1st team AAC performer and he was hitting his prime when the season came crashing down on him and the team with COVID cancellation
K Sampson loved CV and he said that CV was his type of player
One of my 5 all-time favorite Huskies

 

[Huskybass]

The demeanor of Kimani was a great lesson. No panic. Cool and collected. Focused. Don’t think for a second different players didn’t show up in the last 1:30. They were focused, pushing and there was zero fear. As for Hurley, he’s dug himself a hole with the refs. Getting T’d and thrown out to pump up the crowd and team is not a long term strategy. He has to get some self control.

Kamani was perfect last night. One of the greatest stories in UConn basketball lore. He also did a fantastic job at the press conference. We seem to have a really strong staff.

 

[Mr. French]

murray was the perfect replacement for freeman. any natural replacements for kimani?

Bobby Hurley.

 

[Huskybass]

It did happen here with Ollie...

And we all saw how that turned out...

Young is a fascinating guy. I have no doubt that he will prove to be a very good head coach. I hope we can find a way to keep him a couple more years.

If the band stays together in 2023, we could be in for a hell of a ride.

 

[Edward Sargent]

Actually, as stupid as this seems, it is the refs business. Here is the rule from the NCAA book:

Rule 10 Section 3. CLASS A Unsporting Technical Infractions Art. 1. A player or substitute committing an unsportsmanlike act including, but not limited to, the following: a. Disrespectfully addressing an official or gesturing in such a manner as to indicate resentment. b. Using profanity or vulgarity; taunting, baiting or ridiculing another player or bench personnel; or pointing a finger at or making obscene gestures toward another player or bench personnel. c. Inciting undesirable crowd reaction.

This is what the head of officials will likely hang their hat on for giving Hurley the boot last night. Do I agree with it? No. But, the rules support what was done.

I found the crowd reaction quite desirable

 

[Tenspro2002]

But you have to know your audience, especially those who control your fate. It is easy to see how the ref thought Hurley was showing him up, and when you do that to a person who has power over you it frequently will not end well for you.

I might be speaking from experience here...

The coach should not cower in the face of the referees.

The coach needs to show that he's the alpha on that court. I have no problem with how he handled it.

He should not be apologizing to the ref and saying "oh no, you were right".

 

[gtcam]

The demeanor of Kimani was a great lesson. No panic. Cool and collected. Focused. Don’t think for a second different players didn’t show up in the last 1:30. They were focused, pushing and there was zero fear. As for Hurley, he’s dug himself a hole with the refs. Getting T’d and thrown out to pump up the crowd and team is not a long term strategy. He has to get some self control.

A bunch of us were talking about it last night after the game - a few of us sit close enough that we can usually hear the coaches talk on the bench. As I said in another thread it was great to see Kamani and Tom M play good guy bad guy with the refs - I think the team reacted well to that style.
I will agree 100% that Dan Hurley should not be thrown out on the 2nd T because while he was rallying the crowd it was clearly not to direct adversity towards the ref. However, it must be said that Dan Hurley was doing hand gestures and saying little asides to all the refs from the beginning of the game that had him on thin ice - he was warned twice before the 1st T. And yes, a coach can be ejected for inciting a crowd but that was a stretch last night. The loud "ref you suck" chant, if Dan Hurley led it or reacted favorably to it - that would warrant such action.
Unfortunately, Dan Hurley has a target on his chest due to his antics and loose lips. Swearing at and calling officials Xrated names doesn't help his image. I don't think its a case of the refs not liking him, its a case of Dan Hurley consistent chirping at the officials and then going a bit too far during the heat of the moment.
If it's a style he can't change he will have to face the possible consequences. Coach Calhoun could be caustic but he was not constant at it and he saved the harsh talk for his players. Maybe Hurley could pick up the Calhoun stomp when he wants to open his mouth!
He was, in my opinion, unfairly tossed at that time, but in my bones I felt he was heading for an early shower at some point of the game last night - he was loaded for bear.

 

[8893]

The coach should not cower in the face of the referees.

The coach needs to show that he's the alpha on that court. I have no problem with how he handled it.

He should not be apologizing to the ref and saying "oh no, you were right".

There is a universe of options between cowering and showing up.

Nowhere did I suggest apologizing to the ref and saying he was right.

I do believe it was a misinterpretation on the ref's part, but the ref holds the power and has final say. When you are subject to that, it's your job to figure out how best to play it to your advantage.

I like the way it worked out last night, but I disagree if you believe that was Hurley's intent (i.e., to get thrown out).