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metsfan2323 said:
You left out the part about him telling Paterno. Pretty big omission on your part. And the police knew in 1998, are you angry with them?
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Ok, for you, after he runs and calls daddy, he:
does not call police, or go back to see if boy alive, or does not go to Sandusky house to see if boy ok; but he does take his daddy (a best friend and buddy of Sandusky) to see JoePa the next day and give him some version of what he saw. Told by JoePa that he would bring it forward, believe MM eventually got to give his story (not sure how he portrayed it) to the higher ups. MM stopped there. Next 9 years was well taken care of by PSU football, had contact and fundraising events with Sandusky and saw 1st hand that no criminal action was being taken against Sandusky - and did nothing. Did I cover his actions enough for you going forward 2002 to today?

Don't act like this is a zero sum game, if you are too angry (your word not mine) at MM you can't be "angry" at others like the police? I'll make it very clear for you, I'm "angry" at every freakn' lame who could have stepped in and helped stopped this anywhere during the last however many years its gone on. I don't care if its MM, his ol' man a Sandusky buddy, Sandusky's wife, Sandusky's adopted boys, the campus keystone cops, the real police, DA, PSU empolyees, 2nd mile people, coaches, coaches wives, players, residents of Happey Valley, corporate executives, hotel employees, donors - you name 'em and if they could/should have stepped up and helped stopped this I'm "angry" with them.
 
Just to add to the weirdness, Jerry Sandusky was a commencement speaker in 2007. This is starting to look more and more like the Catholic Church scandals.
http://live.psu.edu/story/24106

-- 3 p.m.: The College of Health and Human Development commencement ceremony in the Bryce Jordan Center. Jerry Sandusky, founder of The Second Mile, will speak.
 
UConnCat said:
Nan, excellent question. I did a quick search and there is a provision in the federal Mann Act, specifically US Code 18 USC 2423(a), which makes it a federal crime to transport an individual under the age of 18 "with intent that the individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 10 years or for life."

There may be other federal laws implicated. I've heard RICO mentioned, but that would arise if evidence indicates a conspiracy to cover up crimes.

The significance of federal involvement -- which you rightly mention in the context of the trip to Texas for the bowl game -- is not the potential penalty, but rather to bring the investigative powers and personnel of the US Dept of Justice to the investigation of Sandusky. It'll be interesting to see whether the DOJ gets involved or leaves it to the state(s).
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I hope the DOJ gets involved because I think there are too many Pennsylvania ducks in the water to ensure a thorough or credible investigation. Or conversely, maybe they will be thorough, but skeptics like myself will question it. So if they are innocent they should welcome a DOJ investigation.
 
fleudslipcon said:
I hope the DOJ gets involved because I think there are too many Pennsylvania ducks in the water to ensure a thorough or credible investigation. Or conversely, maybe they will be thorough, but skeptics like myself will question it. So if they are innocent they should welcome a DOJ investigation.
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I'm kind of inclined to agree.
 
fleudslipcon said:
I hope the DOJ gets involved because I think there are too many Pennsylvania ducks in the water to ensure a thorough or credible investigation. Or conversely, maybe they will be thorough, but skeptics like myself will question it. So if they are innocent they should welcome a DOJ investigation.
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I understand why you might think this way but I'm very confident that the investigation by the PA state police and the AG's office will be extremely thorough and credible. I worked for the PA Atty Gen back in the 80's (non-criminal) and I was extremely impressed with the AG's and State Police's press conference on Monday. The current Governor of PA, Corbett, was the Atty General when the Sandusky investigation was initiated in 2008 and thus has a vested interest in how this investigation and prosecution turns out. As mentioned in another post, Corbett reportedly was a strong influence in the BOT's decision to fire Paterno. As Corbett said the other day, the entire nation is watching. That's not to say that the DOJ won't initiate its own investigation and/or work with the state team. We'll have to wait and see. But I think the state investigators are motivated to do an outstanding job.
 
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UConnCat said:
I understand why you might think this way but I'm very confident that the investigation by the PA state police and the AG's office will be extremely thorough and credible. I worked for the PA Atty Gen back in the 80's (non-criminal) and I was extremely impressed with the AG's and State Police's press conference on Monday. The current Governor of PA, Corbett, was the Atty General when the Sandusky investigation was initiated in 2008 and thus has a vested interest in how this investigation and prosecution turns out. As mentioned in another post, Corbett reportedly was a strong influence in the BOT's decision to fire Paterno. As Corbett said the other day, the entire nation is watching. That's not to say that the DOJ won't initiate its own investigation and/or work with the state team. We'll have to wait and see. But I think the state investigators are motivated to do an outstanding job.
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I have no first hand knowledge to disagree with you. I can only speak in general terms. The problem may not be with people you know. It may be with people who can influence people you know who have vested interests with PSU.

The tale coming out of Penn State is that everyone was familiar with one another. It's hard to act objectively and do things critically when people have relationships with one another.

People related to PSU, will put a lot of pressure on the various investigative branches to make this matter go away or keep as much of the events from being revealed. If they can't influence them from a place of established relationships then they will use other methods. Most of us have some skeletons in the closet and those skeletons are more likely to be uncovered by people who know other people.

So expect a lot of threats to come towards the investigators which will compromise the investigation. I feel the DOJ will also receive heat. But the degree of influence will be considerably less, because of their separation from the parties involved.
 
UConnCat said:
I understand why you might think this way but I'm very confident that the investigation by the PA state police and the AG's office will be extremely thorough and credible. I worked for the PA Atty Gen back in the 80's (non-criminal) and I was extremely impressed with the AG's and State Police's press conference on Monday. The current Governor of PA, Corbett, was the Atty General when the Sandusky investigation was initiated in 2008 and thus has a vested interest in how this investigation and prosecution turns out. As mentioned in another post, Corbett reportedly was a strong influence in the BOT's decision to fire Paterno. As Corbett said the other day, the entire nation is watching. That's not to say that the DOJ won't initiate its own investigation and/or work with the state team. We'll have to wait and see. But I think the state investigators are motivated to do an outstanding job.
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The investigation was handed off to the AG in 2005. Not 2008. They initiated the 2008 investigation AFTER victim #1 came forward about a 2008 incident. There is some exposure here for the governor for those who wonder what his office did with the case in those 3 years. As well, Corbett and PSU (including Spanier) have been in full-scale battle over the last year over finances. There're questions here about the evolution of this investigation, Grticar's disappearance, the way Madeira handed the case off to Corbett, Corbett's political enemies, and most importantly, what's been done about the case when it was in Corbett's hands.
 
UCHuskies08 said:
Just to add to the weirdness, Jerry Sandusky was a commencement speaker in 2007. This is starting to look more and more like the Catholic Church scandals.
http://live.psu.edu/story/24106

-- 3 p.m.: The College of Health and Human Development commencement ceremony in the Bryce Jordan Center. Jerry Sandusky, founder of The Second Mile, will speak.
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Incredible. What a phony this Joe Pa is turning out to be. He repremands players for wearing a hat indoors yet coaches can ass rape young boys and still give a commencement address.
 
upstater said:
The investigation was handed off to the AG in 2005. Not 2008. They initiated the 2008 investigation AFTER victim #1 came forward about a 2008 incident. There is some exposure here for the governor for those who wonder what his office did with the case in those 3 years. As well, Corbett and PSU (including Spanier) have been in full-scale battle over the last year over finances. There're questions here about the evolution of this investigation, Grticar's disappearance, the way Madeira handed the case off to Corbett, Corbett's political enemies, and most importantly, what's been done about the case when it was in Corbett's hands.
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What was being investigated in 2005? By then Gricar had already decided not to prosecute the allegations concerning Victim 6 and he disappeared. The allegations concerning Victim 1 occurred in 2008 and were handed over by Madiera to the AG's office in 2009 (I mistakenly said 2008 above). Corbett was elected Gov in 2010 and took office Jan 2011. I must have missed something but I'm not sure what was being investigated in 2005.
 
UConnSportsGuy said:
No doubt. He knows what his fate will be in prison. He will wait until right before the trial starts and then will commit suicide. The only question is will he 'turn' and give the details of all of his crimes and who was involved with the molestation and cover-up, or will he take that information to his grave. But I agree...this ends up with Sandusky taking his own life.
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Disagree. I think this ends with someone else taking Sandusky's, and make it look like a suicide. There are a lot of very powerful people that wish he was dead right now. Someone will get to him, and we will never know the extent of the abuse or the coverup.
 
UConnCat said:
What was being investigated in 2005? By then Gricar had already decided not to prosecute the allegations concerning Victim 6 and he disappeared. The allegations concerning Victim 1 occurred in 2008 and were handed over by Madiera to the AG's office in 2009 (I mistakenly said 2008 above). Corbett was elected Gov in 2010 and took office Jan 2011. I must have missed something but I'm not sure what was being investigated in 2005.
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I thought Madeira transferred the file over to the AD because of the Gricar disappearance. I thought that's what constituted the "conflict of interest" that Madeira cited in handing things over.
to transfer the documents over to the AG. He cited a conflict of interest.

It's incredible to think that the police and the state child protection services people lectured Sandusky about showering with children as a result of that investigation.
 
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upstater said:
I thought Madeira transferred the file over to the AD because of the Gricar disappearance. I thought that's what constituted the "conflict of interest" that Madeira cited in handing things over.
to transfer the documents over to the AG. He cited a conflict of interest.

It's incredible to think that the police and the state child protection services people lectured Sandusky about showering with children as a result of that investigation.
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The transfer of a file is really more ministerial. It's really a transfer of jurisdiction to prosecute. Normally the prosecution of Sandusky would have been a local District Atty matter. The local DA (Madiera) claimed there was a conflict of interest and essentially asked the AG to take over the investigation and prosecution. The AG agreed and opened its own investigation in 2009. I'm sure the investigative files were transferred to the AG/state police. I've not read what the conflict was the prompted Madiera to ask the AG to take over. I actually have a lot of confidence in the state police and AG Kelly. We'll see.
 
UConnCat said:
The transfer of a file is really more ministerial. It's really a transfer of jurisdiction to prosecute. Normally the prosecution of Sandusky would have been a local District Atty matter. The local DA (Madiera) claimed there was a conflict of interest and essentially asked the AG to take over the investigation and prosecution. The AG agreed and opened its own investigation in 2009. I'm sure the investigative files were transferred to the AG/state police. I've not read what the conflict was the prompted Madiera to ask the AG to take over. I actually have a lot of confidence in the state police and AG Kelly. We'll see.
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Thanks. I've actually read that the governor asked another prosecutor in the office to take over, someone other than Kelly. I read that today.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Disagree. I think this ends with someone else taking Sandusky's, and make it look like a suicide. There are a lot of very powerful people that wish he was dead right now. Someone will get to him, and we will never know the extent of the abuse or the coverup.
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Sounds conspiracy theorish, but I wouldn't be shocked. Im sure many are hoping Sandusky does the right thing here and falls on the sword. Heard today he goes to court december 7th. He should probably ask the judge to lock him up.
 
upstater said:
Thanks. I've actually read that the governor asked another prosecutor in the office to take over, someone other than Kelly. I read that today.
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Any explanation for the switch?
 
According to reports, former PSU football players are donating money to Sandusky for his legal defense. It is amazing that people within the 'Penn State Cult' still believe that someone's tenure as football coach still outweighs his actions raping young boys for 15 years! Wow!:eek:
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Disagree. I think this ends with someone else taking Sandusky's, and make it look like a suicide. There are a lot of very powerful people that wish he was dead right now. Someone will get to him, and we will never know the extent of the abuse or the coverup.
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A murder ala Jack Ruby. Wow, Oliver are you hearing this?
 
UConnSportsGuy said:
According to reports, former PSU football players are donating money to Sandusky for his legal defense. It is amazing that people within the 'Penn State Cult' still believe that someone's tenure as football coach still outweighs his actions raping young boys for 15 years! Wow!:eek:
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Idiot's exist in all walks of life. Do you think football players from Penn State would be outside of the normal statistical population?
 
UConnSportsGuy said:
According to reports, former PSU football players are donating money to Sandusky for his legal defense. It is amazing that people within the 'Penn State Cult' still believe that someone's tenure as football coach still outweighs his actions raping young boys for 15 years! Wow!:eek:
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It was some guy from the 1950s who donated $100. I highly doubt it's pervasive. The guy was Sandusky's friend.
 
upstater said:
It was some guy from the 1950s who donated $100. I highly doubt it's pervasive. The guy was Sandusky's friend.
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It's a former player from the 70's who played in the NFL who has gotten 75 other former players to show up for the Nebraska game in support and they are trying to raise money for Sandusky. Is it still not pervasive?
 
I have a strong desire to see Sandusky live a very long life. That bastard has been abusing boys for 40+ years. I don't think a pervert wakes up one day when he's in his 50's and decides to start molesting kids. I'm sure it will come out that this creep has been doing this his entire adult life and his wife was aware of his actions. He has gotten away with his disgusting actions for all these years and I will not be happy to see him off himself or die of natural causes. I want him to live a long time so he can rot in prison for 30 years so some semblance of justice can be served.
 
whaler11 said:
It's a former player from the 70's who played in the NFL who has gotten 75 other former players to show up for the Nebraska game in support and they are trying to raise money for Sandusky. Is it still not pervasive?
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Pervasive? NO
Perverse , YES

How many people supported Hitler? You still behind the numbers game there too?
 
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whaler11 said:
It's a former player from the 70's who played in the NFL who has gotten 75 other former players to show up for the Nebraska game in support and they are trying to raise money for Sandusky. Is it still not pervasive?
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No, the player from the 70s asked people to come to the game to show support for Penn State.

This has nothing to do with the guy donating money to Sandusky. None of these guys are donating money. The 1970s guy is a well-known player and former NFLer. The other guy is 78 and never played under Paterno.

Here's the article: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7220097/penn-state-nittany-lions-rally-program

The 70s player is Rich Mauti. His son Mike is a starting linebacker.
 
Stinger92860 said:
Pervasive? NO
Perverse , YES

How many people supported Hitler? You still behind the numbers game there too?
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Uh anyone who supports anyone at Penn State is insane. I can't believe they keep talking.
 
upstater said:
No, the player from the 70s asked people to come to the game to show support for Penn State.

This has nothing to do with the guy donating money to Sandusky. None of these guys are donating money. The 1970s guy is a well-known player and former NFLer. The other guy is 78 and never played under Paterno.

Here's the article: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7220097/penn-state-nittany-lions-rally-program

The 70s player is Rich Mauti. His son Mike is a starting linebacker.
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Yes, I was talking about Mauti. I must have misread the ESPN scroll this afternoon, I thought it was Mauti who was raising money.

Reading the articles, he should just say they are supporting the current players and stop there. He should skip this
"I'm trying to get everyone that has been through that program, that has had a positive experience, to support the kids and the program and the school at this juncture."
 
I can think of a much better use for the paper these guys are trying to raise for Sandusky...
 
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