CViv throws her players under the bus

[calpedaler]

Maybe?

 

[HuskyMJ]

She does have highly ranked players, the problem is she for some reason keeps going for similar players, the tall wings that slash to the basket but don't have the range on their jumper to make defenses respect the outside game. So whatever size advantage Rutgers has is negated because you can pack the paint and dare them to shoot. There have been some good shooters from New Jersey to graduate from the high school ranks in recent years and Rutgers either did not go for them or missed because that aspect is missing from their team. The big question is will she get enough time to change the style of recruiting or is she gone in a year?

 

[ScarlettB]

I was looking forward to some RU fans' perspectives. Thanks Knight. I think Colerr is another RU fan on our board - would love to hear from him/her also...

I have to agree with KBA. This was definitely "Vivianese" and unfortunately, what she said came out much worse than what she really meant. The last few years have been difficult. It really started when we landed the highly ranked recruiting class that included April Sykes. She may have been ranked #2 coming out of high school, but though she never gave up, she just turned out not to be the go to kind of player we needed. We really haven't had one since Prince.
This year we have 3 seniors - Oliver who has a bad ankle, Lee who is coming off missing a full season with a shoulder injury and Wheeler who has a bad ankle. The rest of the team are freshman and sophomores. Canty is out for the season and had heart surgery last summer due to a congenital condition that was discovered by the RU medical staff and affected her play her freshman year. Hollivay didn't play her senior year of high school and like most bigs, is taking longer to develop than guards usually do.
Vivian is just frustrated with the "fans" and the press constantly bringing up her salary and criticizing her every move. She isn't the first coach to say something she probably shouldn't have in the heat of the moment and I'm sure she won't be the last.

 

[CL82]

How many (men’s) basketball championships have we won? (None). How many football championships have we won? (None)." Coincidently this is exactly the same number of national championships Stringers teams have won.
"Just back it off. Just back the crap off. I’m not dealing with that. I know what I’ve done. You know and I know that this program has been the star of this university in athletics for the past 15 years. Um know Viv. You've been a moderately successful womans basketball program. That's pretty far down on the athletics food chain.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

KBA, with all due respect, RU has had two Top 5 recruiting classes in recent years and one class that included the #2 ranked player in the high school ranks, April Sykes.

Brionna Canty was ranked #6 overall, Rachel Hollivay was #9, Betnijah Laney was #11 and Kahleah Copper and Shakena Richardson #18. Geno recrited Betnijah, Chelsea Lee and April Sykes so he must have thought them capable of playing at a high level. So the RU players are NOT without talent, in fact many recruiting analysts think they're elite players.

They have a great deal of talent - although Hollivay hasn't gotten a shot yet. Copper has played nicely in freshman minutes, Richardson is doing extremely well, Laney probably the best player. Lee is not 100%. Sykes never was on board with Vivian, period.

What I said in more detail on the RU board - Vivian of course exagerates. And makes things sound much worse than they are. But (except perhaps for Sykes, who never worked out) none of these are a go-to player (although Laney is stepping up) that Vivian needs for her style to be successful. The Stewarts, Pondexters and Princes of recruits that were the hallmark of all her truly successful teams (leading to 2000 and 2007). There was also strong point guard play which has been absent for recent years. I suspect that Canty might be in that mold, but remember, she has been sick since she was at Rutgers. If the heart repair worked, and the knee repair, great things might be expected.

I watched RU today, and while much of the play was not fun to watch - there are getting to be bright spots.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

I want to add that there are certainly legitimate questions whether Vivian's style can be successful today, and the recruiting buck does stop with her (although we all know Assistants do the actual work). She did stop with the locker room lock-outs, so she can change.

At the same time, irregardless of what she says, most of the "real" fan base knows that - whether it was her fault, theirs, or (most likely) a combination, the "fab 5" recruiting class was a disaster which probably drove Prince away, ruined chemistry and never was productive (except Lee). We finally began to build something last year, but among the probably legitimate gripes about Vivian is an inability to get good production or use out of frosh.

Most of the "regular fans" "do" understand "Vivianese". Or at least understand that conceptually this is how she expresses herself. Someone on the RU board suggested she get Yogi Berra to translate for her.

And finally - the only one hurt by her rant will ultimately be her. I'm sure she was caught on a bad day and let her fustrations come out. Fustrations with eratic play might be part of it, but the real truth is you have no idea of the RU "fans" of other sports that drive by the WBB board to insist she be gotten rid of, say horrible things, and basically make it plain that her salary funds would be better spent on men's sports (meaning they don't get title IX, but I digress). And these threads are on the men's BB and football boards regularly. And then someone from the press called her out and she exploded. Shouldn't have, but . . .

 

[caravaggio]

Whoa she looks like Meghan Simmons in the above pic.

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[UConn990411]

She cannot have won any friends in the Rutgers athletic department by publicly knocking the football and men's basketball programs and asking how many championships they've won. It's foolish of her to say that stuff. Her comments come across as those of someone who is desperate and angry. She's had a great career, but sadly it appears to be falling apart.

Honestly, I wouldn't even consider her career that great - I'm just not impressed by a women's basketball coach with 0 national championships.

She doesn't belong anywhere near the Naismith Hall of Fame.

 

[TRest]

Maybe?

Yikes

 

[TRest]

I want to add that there are certainly legitimate questions whether Vivian's style can be successful today, and the recruiting buck does stop with her (although we all know Assistants do the actual work). She did stop with the locker room lock-outs, so she can change.

At the same time, irregardless of what she says, most of the "real" fan base knows that - whether it was her fault, theirs, or (most likely) a combination, the "fab 5" recruiting class was a disaster which probably drove Prince away, ruined chemistry and never was productive (except Lee). We finally began to build something last year, but among the probably legitimate gripes about Vivian is an inability to get good production or use out of frosh.

Most of the "regular fans" "do" understand "Vivianese". Or at least understand that conceptually this is how she expresses herself. Someone on the RU board suggested she get Yogi Berra to translate for her.

And finally - the only one hurt by her rant will ultimately be her. I'm sure she was caught on a bad day and let her fustrations come out. Fustrations with eratic play might be part of it, but the real truth is you have no idea of the RU "fans" of other sports that drive by the WBB board to insist she be gotten rid of, say horrible things, and basically make it plain that her salary funds would be better spent on men's sports (meaning they don't get title IX, but I digress). And these threads are on the men's BB and football boards regularly. And then someone from the press called her out and she exploded. Shouldn't have, but . . .

Title IX is about equal opportunities for female student athletes, not overpaying women's coaches with entitlement issues.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Title IX is about equal opportunities for female student athletes, not overpaying women's coaches with entitlement issues.

My point isn't that the salary isn't inflated, its that the funds that are spent on her salary will either have to continue to be spent on women's sports, or not spent (in which case, an equal amount will not be spent on men's sports). They think - and have said so - that if we could hire a WBB coach for around $100K (maybe a new coach that would be glad of the position) then over $1 million could go to Football and Men's basketball. And that is faulty thinking.

 

[HuskyNan]

Title IX is about equal opportunities for female student athletes, not overpaying women's coaches with entitlement issues.

No, it's about equal opportunities for both genders in educational institutions that acccept Federal funding. It's the reason my sons can't be barred from cooking classes or the color guard corps of the marching band.

This myth that Title IX is about robbing guys of money for football has got to stop.

 

[UConnChapette]

It's staged, how about.a candid? It must have been pay day.


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You didn't say it had to be a candid in the original post. No fair changing the rules after the fact. Pay up! I want my $5 internet dollars!!!!! I need my internet Starbucks this morning since I can't get out to get my REAL Starbucks!!

 

[huskybill]

Honestly, I wouldn't even consider her career that great - I'm just not impressed by a women's basketball coach with 0 national championships.

She doesn't belong anywhere near the Naismith Hall of Fame.

And I'm not impressed with a fan who thinks that 885 wins, getting to the final four with 3 different programs and 4 final fours is not that great. Her career encompasses all these things; not just the last few years.

 

[Icebear]

Has CViv ever let her kids out from under the bus?

 

[ThisJustIn]

And I'm not impressed with a fan who thinks that 885 wins, getting to the final four with 3 different programs and 4 final fours is not that great. Her career encompasses all these things; not just the last few years.

I agree -- it plays in to the "what have you done for me lately?" tendency. C Viv may have moments of gracelessness, but only stubborn obtuseness would get someone to the conclusion that she hasn't had a great career. Winning "the big game" simply doesn't happen that often. Which, I guess, is why Dan Marino is "not that great" Nor is Barry Sanders.

 

[meganmatthews]

Is it just me or does that last picture look incredibly creepy?

 

[calpedaler]

Is it just me or does that last picture look incredibly creepy?

To be honest, I couldn't find one that wasn't, in my opinion, creepy.

 

[Coler]

I agree with everything that KBA has said. I don't have anything else to add other then I'm pretty tired of the posters on RU's board. And if I was CVS I'd finally snap if I had to put up with their BS too.

 

[pap49cba]

Her record speaks for itself. That said, I have always found CVS a rather unlikeable person viewed from afar.

 

[UConn990411]

And I'm not impressed with a fan who thinks that 885 wins, getting to the final four with 3 different programs and 4 final fours is not that great. Her career encompasses all these things; not just the last few years.

That's a heck of a straw man argument right there. You're really good at those.

I never said Stringer was a crappy coach, and in fact, I absolutely think she belongs in the Women's Basketball HOF. But Naismith? Sorry, I just don't think she belongs there.

Considering the lack of parity that's existed in the women's game in the past (I actually think the parity is underrated today), I have a hard time putting her on the level of Geno, Summitt, VanDerveer, etc.

 

[ThisJustIn]

That's a heck of a straw man argument right there. You're really good at those.

I never said Stringer was a crappy coach, and in fact, I absolutely think she belongs in the Women's Basketball HOF. But Naismith? Sorry, I just don't think she belongs there.

Considering the lack of parity that's existed in the women's game in the past (I actually think the parity is underrated today), I have a hard time putting her on the level of Geno, Summitt, VanDerveer, etc.

How can you value their careers -- considering the lack of parity that's existed in the women's game in the past?

Oh, and no one said anything about the NHF. You simply said her career was "not that great." Now you're saying you absolutely believe she belongs in the WBHOF? How does she get in with a career that's "not that great"? Talk about straw....

 

[Tidepool]

Speaking of Ms. Stringer and this year's team ....

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/s...vian-stringer-nears-900-career-wins.html?_r=0

 

[choochoo]

I want to add that there are certainly legitimate questions whether Vivian's style can be successful today, and the recruiting buck does stop with her (although we all know Assistants do the actual work). She did stop with the locker room lock-outs, so she can change.

At the same time, irregardless of what she says, most of the "real" fan base knows that - whether it was her fault, theirs, or (most likely) a combination, the "fab 5" recruiting class was a disaster which probably drove Prince away, ruined chemistry and never was productive (except Lee). We finally began to build something last year, but among the probably legitimate gripes about Vivian is an inability to get good production or use out of frosh.

Most of the "regular fans" "do" understand "Vivianese". Or at least understand that conceptually this is how she expresses herself. Someone on the RU board suggested she get Yogi Berra to translate for her.

And finally - the only one hurt by her rant will ultimately be her. I'm sure she was caught on a bad day and let her fustrations come out. Fustrations with eratic play might be part of it, but the real truth is you have no idea of the RU "fans" of other sports that drive by the WBB board to insist she be gotten rid of, say horrible things, and basically make it plain that her salary funds would be better spent on men's sports (meaning they don't get title IX, but I digress). And these threads are on the men's BB and football boards regularly. And then someone from the press called her out and she exploded. Shouldn't have, but . . .

If stringer could carry a rational line of thought to conclusion without it degenerating into some sort of psycho babble then maybe she could teach her team how to run some coherent offense! Or as you chose to call it"Vivianese".

 

[huskybill]

That's a heck of a straw man argument right there. You're really good at those.

I never said Stringer was a crappy coach, and in fact, I absolutely think she belongs in the Women's Basketball HOF. But Naismith? Sorry, I just don't think she belongs there.

Considering the lack of parity that's existed in the women's game in the past (I actually think the parity is underrated today), I have a hard time putting her on the level of Geno, Summitt, VanDerveer, etc.

Thanks...I knew I was good at something.