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nelsonmuntz said:
We can't use the conference as a reason with SJU and UNLV in front of us on 2, and all 5 programs are a significant step down from UConn. It is not surprising how big a role playing time has in deciding where recruits go.

Which makes Kentucky's stockpiling of McD AA's even more puzzling. No one is that good a salesman.
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WWW is.
 
I really dont follow recruiting at all aside from what i read on here. I cant believe people are so life and death with every big recruit we miss out on. In 2011 nobody was excited about our class and we saw how it turned out. UK had a crap load of MCDAA that season and again this pass season. How`d that work out for them? Uk had more McDAA on last years team than we had on all 4 of our national title teams combined! Think about that,let it set in and R E L A X!
 
The more I read these threads, the more I worry that recruiting is seen here as ammunition while arguing the merits of UCONN against other programs. I honestly don't give a hoot who some high schooler picked over us. Sure, everyone wants UCONN to make every other program look bad, but we recruit to build champions. And I trust KO as a talent evaluator -- he's one of the smartest players to ever wear a Husky uniform, and having over 10 years worth of NBA experience never hurts.
 
jibsey said:
If there's too much stockpiling things can get ugly in a hurry with a lot of dissatisfaction regarding PT.
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I want that problem.
 
Stairmaster said:
The more I read these threads, the more I worry that recruiting is seen here as ammunition while arguing the merits of UCONN against other programs. I honestly don't give a hoot who some high schooler picked over us. Sure, everyone wants UCONN to make every other program look bad, but we recruit to build champions. And I trust KO as a talent evaluator -- he's one of the smartest players to ever wear a Husky uniform, and having over 10 years worth of NBA experience never hurts.
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13 years. Don't sell the man short.
 
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you guys are going to get good players. Ollie is a great coach. Sometime I wish our fans would stop second guessing a Pastner on recruiting. Guy has landed a top 15 class in 2015 and top 5 for 2016 but our fans still second guess him. Ollie will get UConn a class this year that will bring you many wins for the future.
 
TigerJ said:
you guys are going to get good players. Ollie is a great coach. Sometime I wish our fans would stop second guessing a Pastner on recruiting. Guy has landed a top 15 class in 2015 and top 5 for 2016 but our fans still second guess him. Ollie will get UConn a class this year that will bring you many wins for the future.
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Can't just get good players all the time. He's landed good recruiting classes and has had some major impact transfers. He needs to win soon and not just a game in the NCAA tourney ........there's good reason for now to 2nd guess him as a coach, not a recruiter though. See you soon and best of luck to a good year!

As far as KO we're not worried, they will come. And as you have seen for many years we don't need top 20 guys we just need kids who buy in and want to grow. Championships chase UConn....lol ( I heard that somewhere) :rolleyes:
 
mauconnfan said:
Can't just get good players all the time. He's landed good recruiting classes and has had some major impact transfers. He needs to win soon and not just a game in the NCAA tourney ...there's good reason for now to 2nd guess him as a coach, not a recruiter though. See you soon and best of luck to a good year!

As far as KO we're not worried, they will come. And as you have seen for many years we don't need top 20 guys we just need kids who buy in and want to grow. Championships chase UConn....lol ( I heard that somewhere) :rolleyes:
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Different dynamics and type of players on this years team. There was some flaws on our last team that is a private matter to those that know. Certain players playing above a role they weren't commited to do. This group with Pastner is more coachable and I lot of players that are grateful for a chance the play. Those are the player Pastner has been wanting from the start. Dickie V even said this group is a whole lot better than people think. He is getting there and should be a battle with the Huskies this year.
 
Also Kuran has progressed a lot this summer. He looks like he is embracing being 6'10. I am starting to like ball players up North now. You guys have players with some to their game lol. I think we got 2 in Kuran and trashon Burrell. We might have a roster full of NYC, Maryland, and New England ballers in the future lol
 
mauconnfan said:
Can't just get good players all the time. He's landed good recruiting classes and has had some major impact transfers. He needs to win soon and not just a game in the NCAA tourney ...there's good reason for now to 2nd guess him as a coach, not a recruiter though. See you soon and best of luck to a good year!

As far as KO we're not worried, they will come. And as you have seen for many years we don't need top 20 guys we just need kids who buy in and want to grow. Championships chase UConn....lol ( I heard that somewhere) :rolleyes:
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Not to defend Memphis, as I don't care about them beyond being a league member, but I think people give too much crap to Pastner too early in his career. He hasn't proven it...yet. Took JC a long time to get where he did (first elite eight at 48; first final four at 57). Pastner's freakin 37 years old. If he manages to coach as long as JC, that's another 30+ years of coaching! I imagine the guy will improve over that time. If not, he's a write off, but it's still a work in progress.
 
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intlzncster said:
Not to defend Memphis, as I don't care about them beyond being a league member, but I think people give too much crap to Pastner too early in his career. He hasn't proven it...yet. Took JC a long time to get where he did (first elite eight at 48; first final four at 57). Pastner's freakin 37 years old. If he manages to coach as long as JC, that's another 30+ years of coaching! I imagine the guy will improve over that time. If not, he's a write off, but it's still a work in progress.
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JC didn't have the players Pastner has had from Day 1 - this is not an apples to apples comparison intlzncster...........
 
intlzncster said:
Well, JC didn't get to the FF with guys like Ray Allen and Donyell Marshall, so it might be that it's not that easy?
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Sorry not the point....JC started with walk ons, soccer player s and non Top 200 players for a while in the BIG EAST. Pastner immediately inherited a shaky program from the Squid with Top players including McD AA's in the CONFERENCE USA. So of course it took JC a while to get there but once he stared getting players form the Top 100 and close he began a run of Sweet 16's, Elite 8's and FF's that Pastner will never reach!
 
mauconnfan said:
Sorry not the point....JC started with walk ons, soccer player s and non Top 200 players for a while in the BIG EAST. Pastner immediately inherited a shaky program from the Squid with Top players including McD AA's in the CONFERENCE USA. So of course it took JC a while to get there but once he stared getting players form the Top 100 and close he began a run of Sweet 16's, Elite286, 8's and FF's that Pastner will never reach!
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What do you mean not the point? My point was, it didn't matter if JC had great players, it didn't necessarily equate to FF and Ships. Because winning was a process...which took time. It takes a while for most coaches to learn how to win. Heck JC was becoming known as the guy who couldn't win the big game. Those are two of the greatest players to ever play at UCONN and they didn't get to the FF. They are far superior than anyone Memphis has had.

And Cliff Robinson was on the first UCONN team JC coached. Phenomenal player. JC coached Reggie Lewis at Northeastern. Has Pastner had anyone on those levels?

No one ever said he was going to be JC. Of course Pastner will never reach JC's standards, but neither will anyone else. But it's highly likely he'll get sweet sixteens and elite 8s.

EDIT: and lets be honest, Memphis as an institution has far less potential than UCONN did. You mentioned JC being in the Big East? It is far far far easier to recruit to a BE program than a CUSA. "oh, you want to play against Patrick Ewing? Come on down." <yes I know Ewing graduated in 85>
 
intlzncster said:
What do you mean not the point? My point was, it didn't matter if JC had great players, it didn't necessarily equate to FF and Ships. Because winning was a process...which took time. It takes a while for most coaches to learn how to win. Heck JC was becoming known as the guy who couldn't win the big game. Those are two of the greatest players to ever play at UCONN and they didn't get to the FF. They are far superior than anyone Memphis has had.

And Cliff Robinson was on the first UCONN team JC coached. Phenomenal player. JC coached Reggie Lewis at Northeastern. Has Pastner had anyone on those levels?

No one ever said he was going to be JC. Of course Pastner will never reach JC's standards, but neither will anyone else. But it's highly likely he'll get sweet sixteens and elite 8s.

EDIT: and lets be honest, Memphis as an institution has far less potential than UCONN did. You mentioned JC being in the Big East? It is far far far easier to recruit to a BE program than a CUSA. "oh, you want to play against Patrick Ewing? Come on down." <yes I know Ewing graduated in 85>
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I hear you on most points int, but has Patner ever had players like Cliffy or Reggie? More than likely yes is the answer . But did he get as much out of the kids he had who were likely ranked much higher than either reggie or Cliff coming out, the answer would be NO. Again the reality is JC was a great coach because he made players better no matter where they were ranked, as we all know. Cliff hadn't even sniffed his potential with Perno but he peaked with JC as expected. I am sure Josh has had kids with the ability to do the same thing my question would be can he make them better and ready for the next level? So far the answer is fairly obvious and that's a problem.
 
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Pastner had a bunch of role players on his first team and by the grace of God Elliot Williams transferred from Duke and was able to play immediately. He inherited a NIT caliber roster and got to the NIT.
 
mauconnfan said:
I hear you on most points int, but has Patner ever had players like Cliffy or Reggie? More than likely yes is the answer . But did he get as much out of the kids he had who were likely ranked much higher than either reggie or Cliff coming out, the answer would be NO. Again the reality is JC was a great coach because he made players better no matter where they were ranked, as we all know. Cliff hadn't even sniffed his potential with Perno but he peaked with JC as expected. I am sure Josh has had kids with the ability to do the same thing my question would be can he make them better and ready for the next level? So far the answer is fairly obvious and that's a problem.
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I just think it's unfair to compare Pastner to JC in any way, quite frankly (hi chief). JC is a top 5 all time coach, and the only guy who we can realistically compare him to in this era is Mike Ka;sdlkfa;sdlkfja;sldfski.

I agree that the jury is still out on Pastner. My overarching point is that he is still very, very young for a HC, and has ample opportunity to grow as a coach. The fact that he can recruit so well indicates that he should get the opportunity to do so (grow)as well. A guy who can recruit like that will always have a job, whether at Memphis or another solid institution.
 
TigerJ said:
you guys are going to get good players. Ollie is a great coach. Sometime I wish our fans would stop second guessing a Pastner on recruiting. Guy has landed a top 15 class in 2015 and top 5 for 2016 but our fans still second guess him. Ollie will get UConn a class this year that will bring you many wins for the future.
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As a diehard UCONN fan and alum, I am surprised to hear that Memphis fans question Pastner as I think he is GREAT for that school / program. Keeps the team Top 25 nationally and gets a TON of good - really good players. With him at the helm, Memphis will continue to be really good for a long-time.

Memphis is the one other school in AAC that I just don't worry about being good. I mark them down in PEN that they will be really solid every year. Aside from UCONN and Memphis, the other schools have their ups and downs. We need more consistent success from 4-5 more schols to make the conference solid in MBB.
 
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temery said:
Amen. Something that is suitable for work.
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You obviously are implying suitable for all work places. The EU includes prostitution in it's reports about the economy.:cool:
 
intlzncster said:
Talk to Deep, he's the tastemaker. I just promote the fashion of the moment! : )
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I don't know what's worse (not worst;)). That I got a conscious connection to a Linda Lovelace movie from your statement or you had a subconscious connection.:cool:
 
Stairmaster said:
The more I read these threads, the more I worry that recruiting is seen here as ammunition while arguing the merits of UCONN against other programs. I honestly don't give a hoot who some high schooler picked over us. Sure, everyone wants UCONN to make every other program look bad, but we recruit to build champions. And I trust KO as a talent evaluator -- he's one of the smartest players to ever wear a Husky uniform, and having over 10 years worth of NBA experience never hurts.
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That's one of the reasons we get excited about the guys that he targets as priorities (ie. Stone)...
 
Waquoit said:
You never saw Cliff play at UConn, did you?
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I didn't watch him then, but I've watched the replays of games from then, and between that and the numbers, it's pretty clear he was an excellent player. He wasn't bad just because those teams weren't very good.
 
Waquoit said:
You never saw Cliff play at UConn, did you?
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That was in response to the 'JC had walkons, soccer players and also-rans to work with in his early years' comment. Would you lump him in that category?

I mean, in his final three years, he did manage to average 18.6pts/7.2rbd/1.5ast/1.3blk/1.2stl. While I'm not saying he was Emeka Okafor, those are really good numbers for any player.
 
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