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superjohn said:
You can't force anyone to take the vaccine and shaming them is stupid but the rest of us want everything open again and a return to our normal lives. You refuse the vaxx cool but don't expect to go to school again, or to the ball game, or on airplanes, or to restaurants and theaters.
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I don't think the vaccine passport thing has legs in this country. At least not most of it.

My overarching point is that by the time everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated, we are going to have to just as a society accept some risk and open up. We allow people to smoke, drink, drive, eat garbage food, and people die from it every day. I think sensible closures make sense up until we reach the point where everyone that wants a vaccine has had it. There are tradeoffs for living in a free society.

Friend of mine just went to visit family in China. Took months to set the trip up, then had to fly to LA, quarantine there for 10 days, get a test, get the test accepted by the Chinese embassy in LA, then fly to Beijing, stay in a hotel for 14 days without leaving the room, then wait another 7 days before going to the destination city. And that's for someone with a Chinese passport. Nobody would ever put up with that sort of thing in this country, nor should they.

Everyone has made sacrifices, and I'm sure most of us would have signed up for 600K deaths 12 months ago because we figured it would end up a lot higher. At some point, we need to move forward.
 
superjohn said:
Lol, you live in CT.
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u apparently missed my restaurant narrative, here in Connecticut, last december. de minimis, on the ground here, most folks aren't completely wacko, regardless of whatever pronouncement from on high is in the news, tho the further you go coastally west towards that place, the 'on the ground' vibe does get noticeably weirder. too bad for them. on the udder hand, they do seem to be running our way lately.... eg. where we live? bulk salads and such remain in the deli case of many supermarkets ('hey! gimme treequarters palm of the mac salad!') while it seems nonexistent as u hit the supers closer to that place. two weeks back at the fairfield traders joe, the 'gatekeeper' started yellin at us cuz i said 'what's this standing in line outside stuff? never experienced this before.' oh, well. at least the shoprite over on route one, eastshore, Connecticut USA, has peeled those arrows off the floor. progress!
Connecticut - the land of steady habits. they ain't just words.
 
ClifSpliffy said:
u apparently missed my restaurant narrative, here in Connecticut, last december. de minimis, on the ground here, most folks aren't completely wacko, regardless of whatever pronouncement from on high is in the news, tho the further you go coastally west towards that place, the 'on the ground' vibe does get noticeably weirder. too bad for them. on the udder hand, they do seem to be running our way lately.... eg. where we live? bulk salads and such remain in the deli case of many supermarkets ('hey! gimme treequarters palm of the mac salad!') while it seems nonexistent as u hit the supers closer to that place. two weeks back at the fairfield traders joe, the 'gatekeeper' started yellin at us cuz i said 'what's this standing in line outside stuff? never experienced this before.' oh, well. at least the shoprite over on route one, eastshore, Connecticut USA, has peeled those arrows off the floor. progress!
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Tom Cruise What GIF
 
J187Money said:
I don't think the vaccine passport thing has legs in this country. At least not most of it.

My overarching point is that by the time everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated, we are going to have to just as a society accept some risk and open up. We allow people to smoke, drink, drive, eat garbage food, and people die from it every day. I think sensible closures make sense up until we reach the point where everyone that wants a vaccine has had it. There are tradeoffs for living in a free society.

Friend of mine just went to visit family in China. Took months to set the trip up, then had to fly to LA, quarantine there for 10 days, get a test, get the test accepted by the Chinese embassy in LA, then fly to Beijing, stay in a hotel for 14 days without leaving the room, then wait another 7 days before going to the destination city. And that's for someone with a Chinese passport. Nobody would ever put up with that sort of thing in this country, nor should they.

Everyone has made sacrifices, and I'm sure most of us would have signed up for 600K deaths 12 months ago because we figured it would end up a lot higher. At some point, we need to move forward.
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I don't see vaccine passports being federally mandated but vaccine passports/vaccine apps will definitely be a thing, they already are a thing and businesses will certainly have the choice in CT. and a bunch of other states as to only allowing vaxxed customers into their businesses and event spaces.

I don't think most people thought it would be a lot higher than 600K deaths, I think most thought it would be lower.
 
Of course two days after I get the JNJ shot it gets halted and is the lead story on every news site. Feel fine after some cold sweats and body aches although I'm a walking sports injury and age doesn't help so I can't say for sure it's due to the shot.

Why couldn't it be some cool side effect or reaction? Like I become one of the X-Men, or Ron Jeremy from the waist down? It's always a negative reaction with these damn things! 🤔
 
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superjohn said:
I don't think most people thought it would be a lot higher than 600K deaths, I think most thought it would be lower.
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And, again, it's 600K with all the precautions we took. We can look at that as a failure of the government and/or people or the actual power of the virus. Frankly, it's both.

Also, lol at Kipling. Of course.
 
StllH8L8ner said:
Of course two days after I get the JNJ shot it gets halted and is the lead story on every news site. Feel fine after some cold sweats and body aches although I'm a walking sports injury and age doesn't help so I can't say for sure it's due to the shot.

Why couldn't it be some cool side effect or reaction? Like I become one of the X-Men, or Ron Jeremy from the waist down? It's always a negative reaction with these damn things! 🤔
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Doesn‘t sound like u are a woman 18-48....I think you‘ll be ok...or did u miss that part of the story?
 
superjohn said:
Got my first Pfizer today. Heard all your stories about arm pain so I got it in the buttocks. The Walgreens pharmacist thought it was weird when I dropped my pants.
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I wish I had thought of asking for a shot in the ass just to see what the nurses reaction would be.
 
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superjohn said:
I don't see vaccine passports being federally mandated but vaccine passports/vaccine apps will definitely be a thing, they already are a thing and businesses will certainly have the choice in CT. and a bunch of other states as to only allowing vaxxed customers into their businesses and event spaces.

I don't think most people thought it would be a lot higher than 600K deaths, I think most thought it would be lower.
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You might be right - the average citizen can't math. I thought this was going to be 1-1.5M at the outset.

Businesses might try, but ultimately they want money. Keeping customers out isn't good for business. And I know vaccinated people that still won't go out or come to the office until they see the caseloads drop. The almighty $ will win out in the long run.
 
Walgreen's cancelled my wife's J&J appointment so we are back on the daily grind to find an appointment.
 
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UCfor3 said:
100% sure you will recover? Jason Tatum has to take an inhaler before every game now. He's an elite athlete. I'm guessing you are not. Maybe your definition of recover is not dying which also is not 100% btw. Countless people with long covid. At best you could say both vaccine and virus are a roll of the dice. At best.
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There is an uptick now for younger people being hospitalized with Covid.
 
Bongo Fury said:
Sounds like it is very effective. How severe are the cases?
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Congress is holding hearings because that's what they love to do...makes them seem important in the public eye, garners them TV coverage. Helps with job security.

It's also usually good for high comedy due to some doofus senator trying to play "gotcha" with an expert and then that expert politely explaining to the senator why they are basically the village idiot.

From the article:
"...the federal agency found 29 percent of breakthrough infections were asymptomatic, while 7 percent led to hospitalization. So far, 74 people have died from breakthrough infections..."
 
I'm now fully vaccinated. At first I had a sore arm after the 2nd Moderna shot. 18 hours in, I started to get body aches and lasted up until about 40 hours from when I first got it. It just felt like an onset of the flu. My wife had the same reaction.

I'm perfectly fine now and I viewed it as just a little annoyance to prevent going to the hospital. I'm still going to mask and social distance but gives me some more confidence things will return to normal. The only "non normal" thing is going to be shaming and yelling at the people on the train openly coughing their lungs out without any covers or covering their mouth. If you are sick, stay home!
 
JustbrewitMan said:
So far, 74 people have died from breakthrough infections..."
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So you are 6.5x more likely to die from a lightning strike (1/138,000-highest odds published on NSC site) than you are to die from Covid if you are vaxxed (1/890,000)....seems like life can get back to normal
 
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Phoenixhusky said:
Got the second Pfizer shot yesterday. Just a sore arm.
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Happy to hear that PHX. I got my 2nd Pfizer this morning and am icing it and taking Tylenol like I did after my first. Hoping for the best but my sister in law and one of my nephews had their 2nd Pfizer yesterday too and are both wiped out today. Fingers crossed!
 
NJHusky said:
According to the numbers in my state, 51 fatalities out of 327,715 diagnosed cases in those under age 24 99.98% survival rate....so his numbers are close...if you factor in undiagnosed cases...the number is even higher
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But, just to point this out: you're only counting fatalities and this has other nasty, long-term side effects. Many of these survivals come after hospitalizations (and if you are an hourly worker, think of what that does to your livelihood...or if you don't have insurance), and a not-insignificant portion of people have longer side effects as well that we hope aren't permanent but don't know.

If this were a: A) you die or B) you live coin flip it's not that big a deal (mind you survival rates are helped by us having done things to minimize people in the ICU). But it's not.
 
tzznandrew said:
But, just to point this out: you're only counting fatalities and this has other nasty, long-term side effects. Many of these survivals come after hospitalizations (and if you are an hourly worker, think of what that does to your livelihood...or if you don't have insurance), and a not-insignificant portion of people have longer side effects as well that we hope aren't permanent but don't know.

If this were a: A) you die or B) you live coin flip it's not that big a deal (mind you survival rates are helped by us having done things to minimize people in the ICU). But it's not.
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This is also true of other viruses and bacterial infections that people get after vaccinations or antibiotic treatments and yet we move on as a society.
 
Chin Diesel said:
This is also true of other viruses and bacterial infections that people get after vaccinations or antibiotic treatments and yet we move on as a society.
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Yes. The long effects occur after a serious illness. It’s not from Covid, it’s from the damage the body endures fighting a severe illness. The Flu and pneumonia can do the same. Covid isn’t different.
 
I'm getting my 2nd pfizer tomorrow. I'm trying to decide whether it was a great idea or a terrible idea to do it on a Friday afternoon.
 
Chin Diesel said:
This is also true of other viruses and bacterial infections that people get after vaccinations or antibiotic treatments and yet we move on as a society.
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Who is saying that we shouldn't move on as a society after vaccination? The point is suggesting that "99.8% of people survive" is making something a binary that isn't. Especially when factored into the amount of hospitalizations etc. that have come despite our interventions.
HuskyHawk said:
Yes. The long effects occur after a serious illness. It’s not from Covid, it’s from the damage the body endures fighting a severe illness. The Flu and pneumonia can do the same. Covid isn’t different.
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The flu and pneumonia can do the same. They just haven't at this rate in our lifetime nor in spite of social distancing etc. The rate of hospitalizations, death, long term effects for COVID are pretty darn high. And, again, my whole point is that this is with masks, social distancing, etc.
 
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