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Plebe said:
Not a Berhalter fan but Weah's epically idiotic RC and the massive lapse on defense that gave up the late goal are not on him.

But if it takes a bad result like this to force a coaching change, I won't lose sleep over it.
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To be fair, in the second half up until panamas 2nd goal, panama did nothing and we had the two best scoring opportunities. They got one broken series where we just couldn’t get a good foot on the ball to clear it and they capitalized.

With all that said, I wouldn’t be upset if this triggers a coaching change.

I’m still not sure how that hit on Turner wasn’t at least a yellow.
 
Mots010 said:
I’m still not sure how that hit on Turner wasn’t at least a yellow.
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Should have been a yellow IMO, not less or more. Failure to card that play definitely set the tone for a 19-4 discrepancy in fouls.
 
Plebe said:
Not a Berhalter fan but Weah's epically idiotic RC and the massive lapse on defense that gave up the late goal are not on him.

But if it takes a bad result like this to force a coaching change, I won't lose sleep over it.
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Playing down a man for most of the game may have contributed to the late lapse on defense? I don't know. It also seemed like Robinson pull back so as not to risk another penalty. Panama scored immediately after that.

Was it the right call to switch keepers? The 2nd goal went through Horvath's hands. I'm not saying he dropped the ball there but it did go through his hands.
 
Kolumbo said:
Playing down a man for most of the game may have contributed to the late lapse on defense? I don't know. It also seemed like Robinson pull back so as not to risk another penalty. Panama scored immediately after that.

Was it the right call to switch keepers? The 2nd goal went through Horvath's hands. I'm not saying he dropped the ball there but it did go through his hands.
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I just realized Turner was injured, my bad.
 
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Kolumbo said:
Playing down a man for most of the game may have contributed to the late lapse on defense? I don't know. It also seemed like Robinson pull back so as not to risk another penalty. Panama scored immediately after that.

Was it the right call to switch keepers? The 2nd goal went through Horvath's hands. I'm not saying he dropped the ball there but it did go through his hands.
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I was at the game. Panama knew what they were doing playing physical with us. There is no way that hit on Turner shouldn't of been a red card.
 
Kolumbo said:
Playing down a man for most of the game may have contributed to the late lapse on defense? I don't know.
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Indirectly, sure. Berhalter switched to a 5-man back line at halftime precisely to preserve the tie, but this entailed putting in a defender sub (Carter-Vickers) who otherwise probably wouldn't have played. But any professional soccer player should know that you can't leave an attacker open at the six in front of goal.
 
Plebe said:
Indirectly, sure. Berhalter switched to a 5-man back line at halftime precisely to preserve the tie, but this entailed putting in a defender sub (Carter-Vickers) who otherwise probably wouldn't have played. But any professional soccer player should know that you can't leave an attacker open at the six in front of goal.
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I watched the replay. Carter-Vickers took a quick glance behind himself and in that exact instance the ball came across and he was beaten, and he knew he blew it.

3rdbass said:
I was at the game. Panama knew what they were doing playing physical with us. There is no way that hit on Turner shouldn't of been a red card.
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The last 10 minutes were espeically dirty as heck. They tackled Pulisic from behind, red card. Robinson was flat out tripped from behind when it could have been a 5 on 3 break, yellow card. He probably could have sprinted past another 2 defenders on his own. McKennie was tripped from behind, yellow card. Maybe there should have been another red card if their strategy is to dangerously tackle every time the US touches the ball. And it seems there should have been at least another 3 minutes of stoppage time.
 
LIuconn said:
Bielsa will want to hang another 5 on Monday. They press, we can't pass
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The thought of Chris Richards and Tim Ream in that back defensive live against Uruguay's high press is not encouraging at all. I would say especially with Richards because he was turning the ball over against the lousy Bolivia team and Uruguay's talent level is way above Bolivia.

The Panama game was a must-win and USA dropped the ball, more specifically, Tim Weah up with the red card. I know Panama was playing dirty and the official, Ivan Barton, was horrendous, but he absolutely cannot do that. In the age of VAR, that won't go unnoticed. Roderick Miller flat out flopped.
 
What are some of your go-to sites to follow the USMNT with the best insight and analysis?
 
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Kolumbo said:
I watched the replay. Carter-Vickers took a quick glance behind himself and in that exact instance the ball came across and he was beaten, and he knew he blew it.


The last 10 minutes were espeically dirty as heck. They tackled Pulisic from behind, red card. Robinson was flat out tripped from behind when it could have been a 5 on 3 break, yellow card. He probably could have sprinted past another 2 defenders on his own. McKennie was tripped from behind, yellow card. Maybe there should have been another red card if their strategy is to dangerously tackle every time the US touches the ball. And it seems there should have been at least another 3 minutes of stoppage time.
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At least you didn't have to watch the game live like I did. It was horrible. Also, with no replays at all even with all fancy monitors including the wrap around screen at the top of the roof the fans were clueless on what was happening half the time. This is where having it on tv would help. I'm not sure why no replays. I was at a Hartford soccer game a month ago and even on their one screen did replays. LOL!
 
starsandstripesfc.com.

Questioning why GGG wouldn't put Musah in to be a beast and to carry the ball/get fouled. And Aaronson could have been a ball hawking pest up top to disrupt Panama's ball movement.

I don't think Ream liked the bunker strategy after going down to 10 men: "Obviously we would've loved to keep the ball a bit more, but with the man down and not really in control, it's hard to then wrestle that back...So yeah, it would've been great, but we knew our transition and our counterattacks were going to be the key from that point forward, and that's kind of what we tried to focus on."
 
LIuconn said:
starsandstripesfc.com.

Questioning why GGG wouldn't put Musah in to be a beast and to carry the ball/get fouled. And Aaronson could have been a ball hawking pest up top to disrupt Panama's ball movement.

I don't think Ream liked the bunker strategy after going down to 10 men: "Obviously we would've loved to keep the ball a bit more, but with the man down and not really in control, it's hard to then wrestle that back...So yeah, it would've been great, but we knew our transition and our counterattacks were going to be the key from that point forward, and that's kind of what we tried to focus on."
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That's actually the first site I found with google. I could see having to bunker down if playing a superior team. But yeah, against Panama, focus on offense and try to win outright.
 
100% Berhalter Incompetence

Musah should have been on for Adams if you sub Adams out.

Taking Reyna out?

We needed some dynamic players in the middle to hold the ball when we had it.

Also, abiding by the Adams minutes restriction in this situation is absolutely crazy. That’s like a decision a first time manager or a 2nd Lieutenant would make. Berhalter lost sight of the bigger picture.

He coached like we were a man down against France or Brazil.

Hopefully Uruguay will hammer them and we snuff out Berhalter’s USMNT career once and for all.
 
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The scenarios are not in our favor. Even if we were to win (possible if Uruguay rotate a little?). Panama could still beat Bolivia by a larger margin and make up the goal differential.

We could draw and make it (Panama/Bolivia draw, or Bolivia win) or not.

However, we could even lose, and still get through. If Bolivia beats Panama, but doesn't make up the goal differential.

So basically, it's completely out of our control. (In this group, that in itself should be enough to get GGG fired.)

Who's to blame for last night? Weah, CCV, Horvath, ref, GGG, plenty of blame to go around.
 
meyers7 said:
The scenarios are not in our favor. Even if we were to win (possible if Uruguay rotate a little?). Panama could still beat Bolivia by a larger margin and make up the goal differential.

We could draw and make it (Panama/Bolivia draw, or Bolivia win) or not.

However, we could even lose, and still get through. If Bolivia beats Panama, but doesn't make up the goal differential.

So basically, it's completely out of our control. (In this group, that in itself should be enough to get GGG fired.)

Who's to blame for last night? Weah, CCV, Horvath, ref, GGG, plenty of blame to go around.
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It’s basically win againts Uruguay or blow it all up.
 
Weah
Then ggg for bunkering and putting Johnny in over Musah who's an absolute ball carrying bull
 
ZooCougar said:
It’s basically win againts Uruguay or blow it all up.
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Unfortunately, yes, which is an awful position to be in. The US Men's soccer team never make it easy on themselves. Getting out of this group should have been relatively easy. Even in the 2022 World Cup group stage they were unimpressive. After getting the 1-0 lead versus Iran, a game they had to win (not lose or tie) to advance into the knockout rounds, USA was clinging onto dear life to hold that 1-0 lead and they barely did so.

Having Panama and Bolivia in the group is like giving a 3rd grader a test on simple math not involving Algebra, Calculus, or Geometry (i.e. Germany, Argentina, France, Uruguay yikes). That test (Bolivia and Panama) might pose a challenge here or there, but it is certainly within the skillset of a 3rd grader (in this example, USA team).
 
LIuconn said:
Weah
Then ggg for bunkering and putting Johnny in over Musah who's an absolute ball carrying bull
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Weah needs to prove why he deserves to wear the shirt.

And I don’t care what the Panamanian said or did to him.
 
gsmooth said:
Unfortunately, yes, which is an awful position to be in. The US Men's soccer team never make it easy on themselves. Getting out of this group should have been relatively easy. Even in the 2022 World Cup group stage they were unimpressive. After getting the 1-0 lead versus Iran, a game they had to win (not lose or tie) to advance into the knockout rounds, USA was clinging onto dear life to hold that 1-0 lead and they barely did so.

Having Panama and Bolivia in the group is like giving a 3rd grader a test on simple math not involving Algebra, Calculus, or Geometry (i.e. Germany, Argentina, France, Uruguay yikes). That test (Bolivia and Panama) might pose a challenge here or there, but it is certainly within the skillset of a 3rd grader (in this example, USA team).
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This team has always played like they were being coached by their buddy; not like a guy who was an actual manager.

And when he tried to be a hardass with Reyna he handled it so poorly that it touched off a firestorm.
 
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