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Conversations Happening on CFP Expansion To 8 (The Athletic)

In that case, and based on what folks have been saying till now it would almost make the aac a default power conference, no? I mean especially if they got Boise and byu.

AndOne said:
If the playoffs are expanded, guaranteed that it will be in the P5's favor with money and access. They're not going to take money out of their own pockets to make sure UCF or Boise gets a fair shake.
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Come and be the eight seed that gets smoked by bama? Come on,they would love to prove all this talk about ucf or whatever being legit wrong...we all know that is what would happen, bama wins with ease. The rare case that an eight beats a bama or whatever one seed adds an allure similar to march madness when a 15 beats a 2 ...good in rare cases for the sport but will never happen enough to the determinet of the sport as a whole (ie bama, etc getting to the semis and Beyond......plus a 4 or 5 seed Michigan or oh state or Georgia or whatever would take care of cinderalla stories in time for the big games. This won't happen unless there is a plan to protect the big boys and there is, that I am sure.
 
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Needs to happen for the overall health of college football. It allows for a more level recruiting landscape and stops the P5 banking of talent that never sees the field. It also gives the AAC a lot more media value, and attracts broader fan interest because the stakes are higher. The CFP is a transparently obvious scheme to enable P5 conferences to control market dollars and diminish competition.
 
Still think there should be an All-American Conference with the best of the G5 like Boise St, BYU, SDSU, Fresno ST and teams like UCF, USF, Houston, UConn and some others.
 
Travelman32 said:
In that case, and based on what folks have been saying till now it would almost make the aac a default power conference, no? I mean especially if they got Boise and byu.


Come and be the eight seed that gets smoked by bama? Come on,they would love to prove all this talk about ucf or whatever being legit wrong...we all know that is what would happen, bama wins with ease. The rare case that an eight beats a bama or whatever one seed adds an allure similar to march madness when a 15 beats a 2 ...good in rare cases for the sport but will never happen enough to the determinet of the sport as a whole (ie bama, etc getting to the semis and Beyond.plus a 4 or 5 seed Michigan or oh state or Georgia or whatever would take care of cinderalla stories in time for the big games. This won't happen unless there is a plan to protect the big boys and there is, that I am sure.
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I will say a #16 seed will never, ever beat a 1 seed... EVER!
 
It would be a good step forward if it included a G5 access point . Over time you could see a rare upset. I think it would help open up recruiting a little bit. It would definitely be an improvement over the CFP now. Nothing wrong with having an underdog in the playoffs. Think it’s what has made the basketball tourney more fun to watch
 
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In college football, upsets will happen.

But, the more the line favors the favorite, the odds get slimmer for that upset...

Over time..

7 point favorite....wins 69.05%

10 point favorite....wins 76.61 %

14 point favorite wins...82.73%
 
6 or 8 is the right number. 4 is too few, more than 8 dilutes.
 
JMick said:
They better go to six autobids and two at large if they do it this way. Might save the AAC
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I think it should depend year by year. If there are 8 great undefeated or one-loss P5 teams, take them all (this never happens).

If for example there’s a two-loss LSU and an undefeated or one-loss Pac12 or AAC conference champion, depending on the loss, you take the conference champs.
 
Seems unlikely that CBS or FOX would be okay with no conference championship games unless they can televise some of the playoff games.
 
CTMike said:
6 or 8 is the right number. 4 is too few, more than 8 dilutes.
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I think you mostly correct Mike, although, in time, I can see a play in game for the at large bids played on the campus of the favorite.
 
huskymedic said:
Tad self serving in lead in but...
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Good find. Yeah, I am really surprised just how easy Notre Dame cracked the Playoff without the 13th data point and a mediocre schedule. Of course, UNC did them a solid by not making up their PPD game against UCF and locking them in at 12.

Essentially, everybody but Notre Dame and Alabama need a 13th game is the message that the Committee sent. And that's good because America loves to root for the privileged elite silver spoons.
 
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Drew said:
whats wild is UConn would probably have a better shot at making the playoff from the American than it would from any P5 league.

I also think an 8 team playoff with a locked in G5 representative would increase the value of the AAC deal as most years the AAC title game winner will be going to the playoff.
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What people aren't thinking about is this would eliminated divisions eliminating the need for an even number of football teams in a conference with an 8-team conference.
 
One more trend thats starting and may grow with these bowl games . Key players are opting out . If the trend grows over time. Making bowl games less interesting.. not that they’re that interesting now

A 8 team CFP. Would minimize that
 
If the CFP does indeed expand to eight teams? We would absolutely have to invite BYU and Boise State, even if it's for football only. We would have to ensure to be the premier non-P5 Conference.
 
JMick said:
They better go to six autobids and two at large if they do it this way. Might save the AAC
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I’m not holding my breath on the G5 getting guaranteed access. There will be a qualifier of some kind, like the top G5 team must be in the top 10 of the rankings.
 
If the G5 get access to the expanded playoff you can be sure there will be specific requirements such as: The G5 will get a guaranteed Playoff spot provided the G5 team is ranked in the top 10 in the country. This way the P5 will be able to have control over which G5 schools they actually allow into the playoff. You can bet that the Uconn's of the world will not be allowed in the playoff.
 
Travelman32 said:
Come and be the eight seed that gets smoked by bama? Come on,they would love to prove all this talk about ucf or whatever being legit wrong...we all know that is what would happen, bama wins with ease.
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In the short term sure, but Saban (67) ain't coaching forever. The pack always catches up with the once elite. 1 seeds made it through to the round of 32 100% of the time too...until last March.

Travelman32 said:
The rare case that an eight beats a bama or whatever one seed adds an allure similar to march madness when a 15 beats a 2 ...good in rare cases for the sport but will never happen enough to the determinet of the sport as a whole (ie bama, etc getting to the semis and Beyond.plus a 4 or 5 seed Michigan or oh state or Georgia or whatever would take care of cinderalla stories in time for the big games. This won't happen unless there is a plan to protect the big boys and there is, that I am sure.
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So what? As if it wouldn't generate interest?

More interest = more eyeballs = more money.
 
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I guess I like expansion because the ‘yard likes it, but for what problem is this the solution?
 
UCF or whoever never gets in because the P5 will NEVER give up the money.

They will let a three loss P5 team in the playoff rather than give up the money.
 
Dooley said:
Good find. Yeah, I am really surprised just how easy Notre Dame cracked the Playoff without the 13th data point and a mediocre schedule. Of course, UNC did them a solid by not making up their PPD game against UCF and locking them in at 12.

Essentially, everybody but Notre Dame and Alabama need a 13th game is the message that the Committee sent. And that's good because America loves to root for the privileged elite silver spoons.
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Didn't Ohio State also make the playoffs in 2016 without a 13th data point?
 
Drew said:
it seems to be a common theme here:

"Chuck Neinas, a former Big 12 commissioner, has sketched out his preferred plan for an eight-team Playoff. He’s given it to Alvarez, Bowlsby, Hancock and other influential figures in the sport, initially to stoke conversation. Now those conversations are happening.

Neinas’ eight-team model would include the five Power 5 conference champions, the top Group of 5 champion and two at-large spots. Conference championship games would be eliminated. The regular season would end the weekend after Thanksgiving, with quarterfinal games played on campuses the following weekend. Winners would advance to New Year’s Six semifinal games at that year’s designated bowl sites, as usual."
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I've heard similar - 5 auto-bids to the winners of the XII, ACC, B1G, PAC, and SEC and one more to bid to the best G5 team, and then 2 wildcards. I think the NCAA has to give an automatic bid to the G5 'winner' to avoid a lawsuit or Congressional investigation driven by State politician somewhere.

The two questions I have heard are - 1) how does each of the P5 conferences select a conference winner and 2) if ND goes undefeated, do they get the ACC auto-bid or one of the wildcards?
 
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Give up the revenue from the conference championship games? Not likely. Ain't gonna happen.
 
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Expanding to 8 seems like a no-brainer; good for the sport, more money, etc. I only hope it happens before another conference poaches UCF, USF, Cinci, and Memphis.
 
I know itll never happen, but I'd love to see a 12 team playoff. Every conference champ gets an auto bid and the 2 highest ranks teams not already in get a wild card spot. First round 1 and 2 get a by and second round 1 gets another by
 
DoctorWho85 said:
I know itll never happen, but I'd love to see a 12 team playoff. Every conference champ gets an auto bid and the 2 highest ranks teams not already in get a wild card spot. First round 1 and 2 get a by and second round 1 gets another by
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I like this because for the inclusion factor, but it also means the #1 (determination is still arbitrary. Bama won't be great forever.) won't play for 3 weeks. Of course that can good or bad. One the one hand their opponents maintain game shape. On the other, greater chance for injury.
 
I feel like there will be a lot of talk about including an autobid for the top G5 and then the final language will be “top G5 OR Notre Dame.”

Another variant, as some has already pointed out, would be “top G5 PROVIDED such team is ranked in the Top 10 at the end of the season.”

Or maybe it’s Top 15, which would sound somewhat reasonable, but in practice would likely exclude the G5 most years in which the top G5 team has a loss.

Point being, this would be great for the AAC and the G5 schools (and college football in general), but I have a hard time believing the G5 will get a “clean” autobid in the final tally.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
I'm heard similar - 5 auto-bids to the winners of the XII, ACC, B1G, PAC, and SEC and one more to bid to the best G5 team, and then 2 wildcards. I think the NCAA has to give an automatic bid to the G5 'winner' to avoid a lawsuit or Congressional investigation driven by State population somewhere.

The two questions I have heard are - 1) who does each of the P5 conferences select a conference winner and 2) if ND goes undefeated, do they get the ACC auto-bid or one of the wildcards?
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Wild card.

Note: Keep an eye on the Alston case decision in January for a potential big shake up affecting CR and college sports in general.

Lawsuit has conferences quietly preparing for the likelihood of compensating players
 
Now playoff expansion talk is making to ESPN. I'm sure they'll be happy as its more money for them. I'm glad to hear that ND's Kelly seems to support it, which is of-course self-serving; but his comments about excluding conference champions from the B1G and PAC while making no mention of an undefeated G5 conference champion is warning flag. Even with 8 teams, the P5 may still try to make it very difficult for a G5 team to get in the door.

Irish's Kelly sees 'appetite' to expand playoff to 8
 
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