Contentment with the new big East as a permanent home

[JMick]

Not trying at all, that may be wishful thinking on your part. Right now the New Big 12 would have 4 ranked football teams and 3 more receiving votes. They're still a P5 conference.

no one cares. it's a bunch of schools no one wants to watch. their media deal is going to be awful compared to the current Big XII deal. lets see how the schools not named UCF and Cinci deal with highly reduced media money. no matter what the talking heads will tell you, being "P5" isn't about anything other than money.

 

[Slasher]

So at best the Big 12 will get $6-$7 million a year. And estimated tier 3 rights in 2018 were between $6-$8 million for the remaining teams in the Big 12.

The best scenario is that they will be making $30 million all in per year and likely with the drop off in football quality, closer to $25-28 million. Better than us but not power 5 money.

If you are a private university like Baylor with AD budget of roughly $110 million how the heck do you keep afloat on $28 million per year? There are no public subsidies to prop you up. Tickets don’t get you there. You better have amazing boosters I guess?

I don't disagree that the current Big 12 schools will be hurting. But the new additions are getting a lot more money. And I seriously doubt the TV contract is only going to pay $6-7M. That's what the AAC is getting with crap schools like Tulsa, ECU, and Tulane. BYU isn't Texas or Oklahoma but they're a national program with a large following. I expect the TV payout to be in the $12-$15M per school per year.

EDIT: Also remember a lot those "estimates" were made based on just the remaining eight with no net new additions. BYU, Cincinnati and UCF are likely more valuable to TV then some of the existing members of the Big 12.

 

[Pudge]

if the UT Austin budget is $255m - as was stated in the Texas legislative session, at what time do like Programs look at the Dog Dish and say: "why the hell are we feeding Vanderbilt?"

Why Missouri. Why this why that. AND you cut it to have 8 Elite U's. See this is a decade away or not? The idea that the SEC is gonna just keep these free riders in ... is not the way the world works.

 

[olehead]

Funny how they actually committed to football and are going to be in a basketball conference we can only dream about. Of course MSG. The NOOB has fewer top 25 preseason teams than THE AAC in the 24-7 preseason rankings, and don’t even compare it with the B12. Villanova is to the NOOB what Gonzaga is to the west coast conference. The NOOB is a nice regional league with a single great team. If it is our long term home it means UConn has essentially given up being a major athletic power and is content being a regional program, essentially UMass. That, fellas and gals is reality.

While AAC hoops might be surging a bit, remember its preseason. Penny has yet to put his guys on the floor against DI 3rd, 4th, and 5th year vets. This is where Penny folds and inevitably loses to teams with experience, depth, and a hardened edge to them. The AAC is not deep enough to have six or seven conference losses and make the tournament, not even this year.

So, imma take a wait and see approach with the AAC. Penny's had mad talent before. If he folds, that will obviously hurt bids. Let's see how the AAC looks when its Houston winning the conference and WSU and maybe SMU or somebody like that, battling it out for second.

 

[Ratso]

This is our future conference schedule had we stayed in the AAC:

Wichita
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane
Colorado State
Air Force
Temple
Memphis
USF
ECU
UAB

If you rather share a basketball conference with this mess, I don't know what to tell ya...

 

[Ratso]

 

[nomar]

Does @nomar have eligibility left?

This sounds like a pitch for the straight-to-video sequel of Necessary Roughness

 

[ClifSpliffy]

I agree but you’ve added to it. Below is testimony from the Baylor AD speaking specifically about Texas and Oklahoma leaving.

Rhoades said the financial implications could put into question upcoming projects -- including the building of a new basketball arena -- and affect academic opportunities for students. Rhoades said the school, like others impacted, will also struggle to attract and keep talent on the field and in coaching staffs.

"The economic impact is real," Rhoades said less than four months after the men's basketball team won the NCAA championship. "If we are no longer a member of a Power Five, we will sell less tickets, we will sell less merchandise, we will raise less money and we will have less corporate sponsorship."

You cannot lose your two best assets and backfill with schools who were previously deemed to dilute the value of the league. The Big 12 already makes nearly less than half of what the SEC makes and then halve that number again. You are no longer power 5 if you make roughly $18 million and other schools are making $70 million. If you think bowl revenue and tier 3 rights make up for it you’ve never actually looked into it. For instance, the SEC which is the best football conference, took home $80 million to be spilt amongst there members.

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So at best the Big 12 will get $6-$7 million a year. And estimated tier 3 rights in 2018 were between $6-$8 million for the remaining teams in the Big 12.

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The best scenario is that they will be making $30 million all in per year and likely with the drop off in football quality, closer to $25-28 million. Better than us but not power 5 money.

If you are a private university like Baylor with AD budget of roughly $110 million how the heck do you keep afloat on $28 million per year? There are no public subsidies to prop you up. Tickets don’t get you there. You better have amazing boosters I guess?

'You better have amazing boosters I guess?'
u guessed right, their $1.4 billion endowment has been sending out around $70 million annually.
that ad's shpiel was just another recognition that football cash drives the college sports bus, and he just won the men's bball championship.

 

[Goatmeat]

The Big 12 is at worst the 3rd best football league and ranks as the #1 basketball conference.
There is no process to take away their autonomy designation. It's foolishness to think they'll lose status with those metrics.

This is 100% correct. The big 12 will continue to be an autonomous power 5 conference, whether people here like it or not. The discussion of UConn getting into the big 12 is independent of that…but there will still be 5 power conferences and the big 12 is included. There is zero evidence to suggest otherwise - it is an interesting talking point though.

 

[Zissou]

I’m content with UConn in the Big East.

if somehow the BIG Ten came calling you’d take it as a great move for football and money, even though the hoops would be a downgrade.

The ACC you would take solely for the cash. It’s not a great fit, but a sustainable financial fit.

UConn would have been a misfit in the old Big12, but again you’d take it just for the cash. The new Big12 still would offer a geographical misfit, but without the cash. It’s P5 spending without P5 revenue, and won’t be sustainable.

I’m content with UConn in the Big East. If the BIG Ten or ACC invites come, you take them. You don’t pass on winning the lottery, but it’s not likely. Be content with where you are and don’t dream of the lottery as your path to happiness.

 

[UConnJim]

The Big 12 is at worst the 3rd best football league and ranks as the #1 basketball conference.
There is no process to take away their autonomy designation. It's foolishness to think they'll lose status with those metrics.

The New Big 12 is like the old Big East football conference after Miami and Virginia Tech left. The old BE was a legacy BCS conference and remained so in name only when the top 2 schools left. Nobody really thought BE schools were contenders for the BCS championship, although WVU made a run one year. And, the new BE was a pretty good football conference, but nobody cared about that. The Alliance left out the Big 12, so you can see how the other autonomous conferences feel about the Big 12.

This is year 8 of the College Football Playoff and none of the future Big 12 teams have made the playoffs. And, the records of the new Big 12 additions will be negatively impacted by playing each other so those schools will have more losses.

Finally, the main reason to be in a P5 conference is money and the Big 12 will be by far the lowest payout conference. And, every one of the schools want to get out of the conference as soon as possible just like the old Big East (and the AAC).

 

[Get a Job]

UConn basketball would decline in the Big Ten? How is Rutgers doing? Better than ever?

The Big 12 champion in football would be automatically included in an expanded playoffs EVERY year... Geez.

Deducing conclusions based on facts clearly isn't a strong suit here. Making up stories to suit personal imaginations does well here.

If you're responding to @Zissou, I think he meant that the quality of basketball in the Big Ten is inferior to the Big East, not that UConn basketball would regress in quality.

 

[Zissou]

If you're responding to @Zissou, I think he meant that the quality of basketball in the Big Ten is inferior to the Big East, not that UConn basketball would regress in quality.

Reading comprehension is fundamental

 

[MU in MKE]

I wouldn't blame UConn for leaving for the B10 or ACC, but to answer the original question... I know I personally would be very content if nothing changed and I think most people should be. Football generally drives the bus, but UConn is a basketball school and besides, most schools lose money on football.

Between the quality of opponents, TV coverage, brand identity, cost savings... there's not much to dislike unless you're only concerned about FB and don't think the independent thing will work out. Otherwise, soak it all in and enjoy it... the BE should be your happy place.

 

[August_West]

Side note. Do the people who complain that football is not good donate and go to games? Maybe if they showed the same support people do for basketball things would get better.

Been there done that.

that "maybe" has been answered.

They got worse. A LOT worse.

Many people were guilted by the AD during hoops halcyon days to sinking a lot of money into that disaster.

whats that saying? Fool me once.....blah blah blah.

We are going on fooled 4 times. At least.

I wish football succeeded during that short window we had to actually make some waves and position ourselves in a good spot for CR. We blew it, and then we blew it again, and now it is sadder than a puddles pity party ballad.


Time to cut bait on that mishegoss.

 

[Improviser]

Been there done that.

that "maybe" has been answered.

They got worse. A LOT worse.

Many people were guilted by the AD during hoops halcyon days to sinking a lot of money into that disaster.

whats that saying? Fool me once.....blah blah blah.

We are going on fooled 4 times. At least.

I wish football succeeded during that short window we had to actually make some waves and position ourselves in a good spot for CR. We blew it, and then we blew it again, and now it is sadder than a puddles pity party ballad.


Time to cut bait on that mishegoss.

The Giants and Knicks have plenty of support and filled arenas. Their fans believe the mishegoss too. So too do the Jets fans.

Sometimes, throwing money at problems doesn't work.

Sometimes it does.

 

[August_West]

The Giants and Knicks have plenty of support and filled arenas. Their fans believe the mishegoss too. So too do the Jets fans.

Sometimes, throwing money at problems doesn't work.

Sometimes it does.

You just named 3 Professional sports teams in a metro area of 22 million.

The difference is those franchises have plenty of money to throw at it. UConn does not.

 

[gampelcrazies]

You just named 3 Professional sports teams in a metro area of 22 million.

The difference is those franchises have plenty of money to throw at it. UConn does not.

It may not fix everything but if people donated and bought tickets like they do for basketball it would help the program out a lot.

 

[superjohn]

It may not fix everything but if people donated and bought tickets like they do for basketball it would help the program out a lot.

Winning is the only thing that helps, you aren't going to have enthusiasm for the worst team in the country no matter who it is. If UConn basketball had the worst program in the country they would have trouble selling tickets as well. You start winning some games and people go.

 

[ThabeetDown]

Been there done that.

that "maybe" has been answered.

They got worse. A LOT worse.

Many people were guilted by the AD during hoops halcyon days to sinking a lot of money into that disaster.

whats that saying? Fool me once.....blah blah blah.

We are going on fooled 4 times. At least.

I wish football succeeded during that short window we had to actually make some waves and position ourselves in a good spot for CR. We blew it, and then we blew it again, and now it is sadder than a puddles pity party ballad.


Time to cut bait on that mishegoss.

This was a lot of words to just say cut the football program.

What are we even doing in this thread anymore?

 

[McLovin]

The Big 12 is at worst the 3rd best football league and ranks as the #1 basketball conference.
There is no process to take away their autonomy designation. It's foolishness to think they'll lose status with those metrics.

As for the NBE, that option could have been initiated at any time. That league was never saying no to bringing in UConn, considering that all of their members are so much weaker than UConn. They don't get much money and UConn helps them more than the NBE helps UConn.
UConn could've easily waited to see what the AAC looks like coming out of realignment, to THEN decide if it was time to give up on P5 status, aka autonomy.

Does everyone realize that if the Big 12 wanted UConn and UConn wanted to be in the Big 12, we would be in the Big 12? Being in the NBE (instead of still in the AAC) would not have stopped the Big 12 from extending us the invite if they wanted us. That’s how realignment works.

People on here are living in a fairytale land if they think we would have gotten an invite solely because we were still in the AAC. The reality is our football would have still suck today regardless if we stayed in the AAC and we’d still be 750 miles from the closest Big 12 school(s). 2 reasons we were never getting a Big 12 invite.

It was smart to move to the NBE when we did and will not stop any conference who wants us from knocking on the door.

 

[CashewCrew]

we’d still be 750 miles from the closest Big 12 school(s).

This is really all that needs to be said. It makes zero practical sense.

 

[don356]

If you're responding to @Zissou, I think he meant that the quality of basketball in the Big Ten is inferior to the Big East, not that UConn basketball would regress in quality.

I think making the claim that B10 basketball is inferior to the newly configured Big East made folks heads spin. LOL

 

[Improviser]

Winning is the only thing that helps, you aren't going to have enthusiasm for the worst team in the country no matter who it is. If UConn basketball had the worst program in the country they would have trouble selling tickets as well. You start winning some games and people go.

Scheduling responsibly helps in building a winner and in winning.

This means not scheduling teams way better that will kill you and demoralize your players such as at present, scheduling Army and Clemson and likely UCF and Houston.

Villanova with a winning record has responsibly scheduled decent teams they are capable of beating. Yes, schedule a few teams that are a bit of a reach but not an overreach. Though, I grant you, playing Wyoming close was a revelation.

Calhoun in the early years, gradually upgraded the schedule as he upgraded the talent.

 

[BlueMAB]

The Big 12 can add Temple, too! That probably can only happen if they go to 16. Temple to the ACC would be an interesting proposition but they'd probably need that new on campus stadium.

What's the weather like on your planet?

 

[Zissou]

I think making the claim that B10 basketball is inferior to the newly configured Big East made folks heads spin. LOL

The newly configured B10 added Rutgers and Nebraska. The Big East added UConn.

I’ll lean Big East and count up the titles.

 

[Jbirdp5]

This is 100% correct. The big 12 will continue to be an autonomous power 5 conference, whether people here like it or not. The discussion of UConn getting into the big 12 is independent of that…but there will still be 5 power conferences and the big 12 is included. There is zero evidence to suggest otherwise - it is an interesting talking point though.

Zero evidence to suggest otherwise? The teams that made the conference special haven’t left the conference yet and the conference hasn’t had to negotiate anything yet…neither side has a smoking gun of evidence at this time
When changes get made to the cfp and when they negotiate a deal then there will be evidence for both sides to debate.

 

[CTFIRERETIRED]

The only way we leave is if the ACC gets double raided by the SEC and B1G in about a decade.

If BC stays in the ACC, we don't get in. The blood feud continues, unless those that started the damn thing resigns, retires or dies.

 

[BapeKidd88]

Does everyone realize that if the Big 12 wanted UConn and UConn wanted to be in the Big 12, we would be in the Big 12? Being in the NBE (instead of still in the AAC) would not have stopped the Big 12 from extending us the invite if they wanted us. That’s how realignment works.

People on here are living in a fairytale land if they think we would have gotten an invite solely because we were still in the AAC. The reality is our football would have still suck today regardless if we stayed in the AAC and we’d still be 750 miles from the closest Big 12 school(s). 2 reasons we were never getting a Big 12 invite.

It was smart to move to the NBE when we did and will not stop any conference who wants us from knocking on the door.

Here's another question:

Do you think the Big 12 Conference didn't consider UConn because of all the whining about playing Texas/Kansas/Oklahoma teams?

The Big 12 will be the best Hoops conference in the country, and likely 3rd in football at worst (because of their geography and the blue bloods).

IMO, in all of the teams the AAC has placed in the B1G/ACC/Big 12 (5 between Houston, Rutgers, UCF, Louisville and Cincinnati), I think it's proved to be the defacto proving grounds of sending teams to the P5. It can't be understated that football is a crucial component to getting invited to the Power group. So, if you hope to have any shot of winning the PR game and generating the public support that will get the P5 admins to act in your favor, it helps (a lot) to play well in the AAC and show you wont be an anchor to their football product. Playing a bunch of random indy teams just doesn't provide the frame of reference to generate public support for your bid.

I still think that all of the noise around UConn's wanting to regionalize and be basketball-centric also eliminated any glimmer of an opportunity for a Power invitation. That's an extremely difficult sell to the powers that be.

 

[McLovin]

Here's another question:

Do you think the Big 12 Conference didn't consider UConn because of all the whining about playing Texas/Kansas/Oklahoma teams?

The Big 12 will be the best Hoops conference in the country, and likely 3rd in football at worst (because of their geography and the blue bloods).

IMO, in all of the teams the AAC has placed in the B1G/ACC/Big 12 (5 between Houston, Rutgers, UCF, Louisville and Cincinnati), I think it's proved to be the defacto proving grounds of sending teams to the P5. It can't be understated that football is a crucial component to getting invited to the Power group. So, if you hope to have any shot of winning the PR game and generating the public support that will get the P5 admins to act in your favor, it helps (a lot) to play well in the AAC and show you wont be an anchor to their football product. Playing a bunch of random indy teams just doesn't provide the frame of reference to generate public support for your bid.

I still think that all of the noise around UConn's wanting to regionalize and be basketball-centric also eliminated any glimmer of an opportunity for a Power invitation. That's an extremely difficult sell to the powers that be.

Are you delusional?

1) Louisville and Rutgers had accepted P5 invites well before playing a lame duck season in the AAC. Their performance (or lack thereof) in that 1 year had nothing to do with their invite status.

2) UConn football did not play well in the AAC and is seen as an anchor to any serious football conference. Also, BYU is an Indy football team and got the invite to the Big 12, so your argument is further falling apart. Plus, our football schedule now has 5-6 P5 games per year against teams like Indiana, NC State, BC, Syracuse, Maryland, etc. You can’t seriously tell me that’s less beneficial as a “proving ground” than a schedule loaded with conference games against Tulane, USF and SMU.

3) I stated this above, yes, geography has everything to do with UConn not getting an invite to the Big 12. No, it wasn’t the “complaining” of the fan base that kept us out. It’s the fact that we are thousands of miles from most of their members that hurt us. UConn has stated it views itself as a top tier university (both academically and in sports) and being in the Big East, along other well respected universities like Villanova and Georgetown, is more beneficial from a PR standpoint than aligning ourselves with Eastern Carolina University and Tulsa.