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huskyrob1 said:
Last time I think teams from Ohio could have been near the Atlantic Coast was back during the early Cretaceous. Lol
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True, but they would be closer to the Atlantic than Louisville and ND, so that ship has sailed already.
 
whaler11 said:
All ya gotta do is figure out who is going to bring another 75$ million a year to the party. Should be easy!
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Ah dang - a soul crushing financial reality check! And I am sure ESPN has plenty of cash - right? right? right?
The only way anything happens is if the new members agree to no step up in comp until the current media deal ends. In essence, you can join, help us round out the geography but we arent sharing under our current deal.
 
Now that I think about it it is possible. Here's why: the ACC is going to a 20-game conference schedule in basketball in 2019. That means everyone will lose one more game on average (lowering the number of teams in the tournament). However, if they were to expand by 2 (us and Cincy), they could regularly get 9-11 teams in the dance. As far as football is concerned, they will now have some more body bag games and would just go to a nine-game schedule to keep pace with the Big 12, Pac 12 and B1G.
 
I don't think CR is going to be tied to conventional TV/cable revenue in the future. I think the conferences know that model has a finite shelf life so they are looking beyond the noses on their face. You'd want your properties in as many big population centers as possible so assuming UConn, Temple and Cincy, you sure have a lot of eyeballs in major population centers from Florida to New England and then west into Ohio and Kentucky.
 
shizzle787 said:
Now that I think about it it is possible. Here's why: the ACC is going to a 20-game conference schedule in basketball in 2019. That means everyone will lose one more game on average (lowering the number of teams in the tournament). However, if they were to expand by 2 (us and Cincy), they could regularly get 9-11 teams in the dance. As far as football is concerned, they will now have some more body bag games and would just go to a nine-game schedule to keep pace with the Big 12, Pac 12 and B1G.
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I am a Cincinnati fan, and like you guys I take all this realignment stuff with a block of salt.....UC and UCONN to the ACC would be a freakin' life saving dream scenario from our perspective. We are playing our home basketball games at Northern Kentucky University next season because our building is getting an 87 million dollar upgrade. If you know anything about Cincinnati, you know we are some cheap bastards. For us to spend that kind of money when our home schedule only has one or two games a year worth getting excited about is very out of character for us. Maybe something is in the works, maybe not. Keep hope alive!!!
 
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Other than Cincinnati who on earth would they take?? Temple?? Makes little sense.
 
UConn, Temple, and Cincinnati would be candidates assuming this rumor is true. I wouldn't be surprised if Temple gets more consideration than we think due to Norte Dame (probably) liking the idea of an ACC team in Philly and the ACC in general having a big geographical hole in the population-heavy region between VA and Boston.
 
justgoplay said:
I am a Cincinnati fan, and like you guys I take all this realignment stuff with a block of salt.....UC and UCONN to the ACC would be a freakin' life saving dream scenario from our perspective. We are playing our home basketball games at Northern Kentucky University next season because our building is getting an 87 million dollar upgrade. If you know anything about Cincinnati, you know we are some cheap bastards. For us to spend that kind of money when our home schedule only has one or two games a year worth getting excited about is very out of character for us. Maybe something is in the works, maybe not. Keep hope alive!!!
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I'd gladly give up a year's worth of home games at Northern Kentucky University for an ACC invite. Norse Pride!
 
MASSconn said:
Other than Cincinnati who on earth would they take?? Temple?? Makes little sense.
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Temple is smack dab in Philly, has a huge alumni base and is a pretty natural bridge between the northernmost southern school (Virginia) and the old Big East members (Syracuse, BC and – hopefully – us).

Temple has a TON of upside as an add. And it goes without saying that all 3 schools would take like 1/10th of a payout for the first decade if that's what was required to get the deal done.
 
Matrim55 said:
Temple is smack dab in Philly, has a huge alumni base and is a pretty natural bridge between the northernmost southern school (Virginia) and the old Big East members (Syracuse, BC and – hopefully – us).

Temple has a TON of upside as an add. And it goes without saying that all 3 schools would take like 1/10th of a payout for the first decade if that's what was required to get the deal done.
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How is Temple on academic ranking? I don't know myself, just asking.
 
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Matrim55 said:
Temple is smack dab in Philly, has a huge alumni base and is a pretty natural bridge between the northernmost southern school (Virginia) and the old Big East members (Syracuse, BC and – hopefully – us).

Temple has a TON of upside as an add. And it goes without saying that all 3 schools would take like 1/10th of a payout for the first decade if that's what was required to get the deal done.
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And their alumni will start going to football games!

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/temple-university-3371/overall-rankings
 
This came out today: Equity in Athletics

To compare, here are the numbers:

From Equity in Athletics website, total AD Revenues for reporting year ended 6/30/16.

American Athletic Conference

01.) University of Connecticut - $79,267,924
02.) Southern Methodist University - $56,909,290
03.) Tulane University of Louisiana - $53,141,211
04.) University of Central Florida - $52,317,442
05.) University of Houston - $50,886,777
06.) Temple University - $50,886,490
07.) University of Memphis - 49,849,343
08.) University of South Florida - $48,405,192
09.) University of Cincinnati - $43,367,493
10.) East Carolina University - $43,045,337
11.) University of Tulsa - $40,465,787
12.) Navy - Not Available


Atlantic Coast Conference

01.) Florida State University - $123,334,314
02.) University of Louisville - $112,146,501
03.) University of Virginia - $100,632,835
04.) Clemson University - $95,800,326
05.) Duke University - $91,971,836
06.) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - $90,969,518
07.) University of Miami - $85,615,972
08.) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University - $84,064,779
09.) Syracuse University - $82,676,041
10.) North Carolina State University at Raleigh - $80,225,029
11.) University of Pittsburgh - $75,273,117
12.) Boston College - $71,314,082
13.) Georgia Institute of Technology - $62,360,693
14.) Wake Forest University - $62,053,971


UConn would be between NC State and Pitt just from their current media contract, but I imagine that they'd rank much higher with a P5 budget. They'd be in the ranks of Kansas or Duke in no time.
 
billybud said:
The number 18 is unwieldy for a football schedule....if you have divisions...and a CCG

Essentially, two round robin divisions (almost like separate conferences) with teams that hardly ever meet outside of a championship game.

If the NCAA had allowed the ACC request to deregulate how the conference determines a champion, pods would work, But the Big 10 led the charge to squash that attempted deregulation and I don't see it reopening.

I could see 16 as workable for scheduling...essentially adding a ninth conference game to the current eight total.
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You could make a 9-game conference schedule work with either 16 or 18.

Two round-robin divisions and either 2 or 1 crossover games between divisions.
 
There is a lot of schedule "push back" right now in the ACC....

1....four teams have opposed a 9 game schedule because they are tied into a yearly SEC rivalry game and also play Notre Dame every three years....and thus, the measure has failed in voting.

2....there is unhappiness that you see teams, that are not the permanent crossover, from the opposing division so seldom..example...FSU plays GT (their closest and oldest rival) once every 12 years in Tallahassee. Clemson fans see Miami in Clemson once every 12 years and NC state hosts Duke once every 12 years.

3...going to round robin 9 team divisions is like having two separate conferences with little play between the two....that probably will not fly.

4...The reason that the ACC wanted clearance to have a CCG yet schedule the champion designation with flexibility...is that the conference was trying to attack the scheduling problems that currently exist (explore pods that allow more play between teams than the current structure).


ACC ADs vote to keep current schedule format
 
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CoastAtlantic said:
This came out today: Equity in Athletics

To compare, here are the numbers:

From Equity in Athletics website, total AD Revenues for reporting year ended 6/30/16.

American Athletic Conference

01.) University of Connecticut - $79,267,924
02.) Southern Methodist University - $56,909,290
03.) Tulane University of Louisiana - $53,141,211
04.) University of Central Florida - $52,317,442
05.) University of Houston - $50,886,777
06.) Temple University - $50,886,490
07.) University of Memphis - 49,849,343
08.) University of South Florida - $48,405,192
09.) University of Cincinnati - $43,367,493
10.) East Carolina University - $43,045,337
11.) University of Tulsa - $40,465,787
12.) Navy - Not Available


Atlantic Coast Conference

01.) Florida State University - $123,334,314
02.) University of Louisville - $112,146,501
03.) University of Virginia - $100,632,835
04.) Clemson University - $95,800,326
05.) Duke University - $91,971,836
06.) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - $90,969,518
07.) University of Miami - $85,615,972
08.) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University - $84,064,779
09.) Syracuse University - $82,676,041
10.) North Carolina State University at Raleigh - $80,225,029
11.) University of Pittsburgh - $75,273,117
12.) Boston College - $71,314,082
13.) Georgia Institute of Technology - $62,360,693
14.) Wake Forest University - $62,053,971


UConn would be between NC State and Pitt just from their current media contract, but I imagine that they'd rank much higher with a P5 budget. They'd be in the ranks of Kansas or Duke in no time.
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There's no way this is accurate. SMU has pathetic football attendance and a tiny basketball arena. Unless they're considering student fees as revenue.
 
billybud said:
There is a lot of schedule "push back" right now in the ACC....

1....four teams have opposed a 9 game schedule because they are tied into a yearly SEC rivalry game and also play Notre Dame every three years....and thus, the measure has failed in voting.

2....there is unhappiness that you see teams, that are not the permanent crossover, from the opposing division so seldom..example...FSU plays GT (their closest and oldest rival) once every 12 years in Tallahassee. Clemson fans see Miami in Clemson once every 12 years and NC state hosts Duke once every 12 years.

3...going to round robin 9 team divisions is like having two separate conferences with little play between the two....that probably will not fly.

4...The reason that the ACC wanted clearance to have a CCG yet schedule the champion designation with flexibility...is that the conference was trying to attack the scheduling problems that currently exist (explore pods that allow more play between teams than the current structure).


ACC ADs vote to keep current schedule format
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The solution is to expand to 16 schools to get to four divisions with four teams per division. Each year you would play the other three teams in your division as well as two of the four teams from every other division, for a total of nine conference games. That way, you play every team in your conference at least once every two years. If they can convince Norte Dame to join the conference in football (as one of the 16) that would free up more non-conference games.
 
They probably are...UConn's reported $72 million in revenue, for example includes $27 million in student fees and school funds....

(When you bring up link...click on UConn for breakout)

USA TODAY Sports

Private schools are not listed in the NCAA USA Today Athletic Department Finances Report
 
pick6s said:
The solution is to expand to 16 schools to get to four divisions with four teams per division. Each year you would play the other three teams in your division as well as two of the four teams from every other division, for a total of nine conference games. That way, you play every team in your conference at least once every two years. If they can convince Norte Dame to join the conference in football (as one of the 16) that would free up more non-conference games.
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Of course...except that was denied by the NCAA...largely due to the Big Ten's objections.

The NCAA dictates that you must have two divisions or a round robin....the "pods" as you described, the ACC was very interested in.
 
billybud said:
Of course...except that was denied by the NCAA...largely due to the Big Ten's objections.

The NCAA dictates that you must have two divisions or a round robin....the "pods" as you described, the ACC was very interested in.
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Not sure where you are getting the ban on pods. I don't see it in the NCAA press release. Take a look for your self and if you see it, please let me know: Link.

The only thing I find is that if a conference has 12 or more teams, they must play a round-robin schedule within it's division. No where does it say that the divisions have to be static. Example using the ACC and adding UConn and Cincinati to make 16:

Pod A: FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson
Pod B: UNC, NCST, Duke, WF
Pod C: Louisville, Virginia, VT, Cincinnati
Pod D: Syracuse, BC, UConn, Pitt

Rotation 1 (2 years):

Pod A and Pod B are a division: FSU, Miami, GT and Clemson, UNC, NCST, Duke and WF

Pod C and Pod D are a division: Louisville, Virginia, VT, Cincinnati, Syracuse, BC, UConn and Pitt

Rotation 2 (2 years):

Pod A and Pod C are a division: FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson, Louisville, Virginia, VT and Cincinnati

Pod B and Pod D are a division: UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Syracuse, BC, UConn and Pitt

Rotation 3 (2 years):

Pod A and Pod D are a division: FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson, Syracuse, BC, UConn and Pitt

Pod B and Pod C are a division: UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Louisville, Virginia, VT and Cincinnati

Then you start back at rotation 1 and continue on forward. It falls within the guidelines that are set forth in the linked press release.

The idea of the amendment was so that one conference couldn't game the system. You don't want a conference to manipulate their CCG to give their best team the best chance to win the game and make it to the playoff.
 
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dayooper said:
Not sure where you are getting the ban on pods. I don't see it in the NCAA press release. Take a look for your self and if you see it, please let me know: Link.

The only thing I find is that if a conference has 12 or more teams, they must play a round-robin schedule within it's division. No where does it say that the divisions have to be static. Example using the ACC and adding UConn and Cincinati to make 16:

Pod A: FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson
Pod B: UNC, NCST, Duke, WF
Pod C: Louisville, Virginia, VT, Cincinnati
Pod D: Syracuse, BC, UConn, Pitt

Rotation 1 (2 years):

Pod A and Pod B are a division: FSU, Miami, GT and Clemson, UNC, NCST, Duke and WF

Pod C and Pod D are a division: Louisville, Virginia, VT, Cincinnati, Syracuse, BC, UConn and Pitt

Rotation 2 (2 years):

Pod A and Pod C are a division: FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson, Louisville, Virginia, VT and Cincinnati

Pod B and Pod D are a division: UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Syracuse, BC, UConn and Pitt

Rotation 3 (2 years):

Pod A and Pod D are a division: FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson, Syracuse, BC, UConn and Pitt

Pod B and Pod C are a division: UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Louisville, Virginia, VT and Cincinnati

Then you start back at rotation 1 and continue on forward. It falls within the guidelines that are set forth in the linked press release.

The idea of the amendment was so that one conference couldn't game the system. You don't want a conference to manipulate their CCG to give their best team the best chance to win the game and make it to the playoff.
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This is actually a pretty cool idea.
 
billybud said:
They probably are...UConn's reported $72 million in revenue, for example includes $27 million in student fees and school funds....

(When you bring up link...click on UConn for breakout)Some

USA TODAY Sports

Private schools are not listed in the NCAA USA Today Athletic Department Finances Report
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billybud said:
They probably are...UConn's reported $72 million in revenue, for example includes $27 million in student fees and school funds....

(When you bring up link...click on UConn for breakout)

USA TODAY Sports

Private schools are not listed in the NCAA USA Today Athletic Department Finances Report
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Not sure how Cincy's is only 42M then, the USA today has them 52.5. Regardless that "study" is horribly inaccurate.
 
I think the opposition to pods might go away if some of the other power conferences expand to 16 as well, starting with the PAC 12 gobbling up the Texahoma quartet.

Frankly, I was referring to static pods but the idea of dynamic ones is very creative and clever. Nice thinking, @dayooper !
 
MASSconn said:
Other than Cincinnati who on earth would they take?
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Yeah.

If only there was an American Conference school in a huge media/recruiting market that has proven it can compete against the ACC in football with recent bowl wins over Pitt and Florida State, and regular season wins over Louisville.
 
billybud said:
They probably are...UConn's reported $72 million in revenue, for example includes $27 million in student fees and school funds....

(When you bring up link...click on UConn for breakout)

USA TODAY Sports

Private schools are not listed in the NCAA USA Today Athletic Department Finances Report
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These figures are really tough to compare without a consistent reporting format. UConn includes fees and expenses that that are attributable to non-NCAA athetics in its budget. That accounts for at least a portion of the student fees. By way of example UConn shows 10M of which are student fees which is pretty close to FSU's 8 million. I'm also be interested in a clear understanding of what constitutes "other" income.
 
pick6s said:
UConn, Temple, and Cincinnati would be candidates assuming this rumor is true. I wouldn't be surprised if Temple gets more consideration than we think due to Norte Dame (probably) liking the idea of an ACC team in Philly and the ACC in general having a big geographical hole in the population-heavy region between VA and Boston.
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Haven't heard this from UVA folks, but if true ESPN is pushing it. The best AAC candidates are:
1. Navy - 6th ND game.
2. UConn - 3.5 million in CT, NYC interest.
3. South Florida - 4 million metro area growing at 10%.
4. Temple - 4 million television market.
 
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