Concerns about Selection Sunday

[hoopsfan22]

I just don't understand this obsession with seedings. What difference does it make?

Because some are scared of who UConn might have to face thus jeopardizing yet another streak.

 

[vtcwbuff]

I can just see the committee seated around a conference table, laptops in front of them and someone opens with "Well, Charlie Creme says" . . . .

 

[ochoopsfan]

Brackets released UConn position is ???

 

[Forego]

Cheez. None the final seedlings have been announced and the forum is already in full complaint mode. Don’t worry about it. It will over soon when the real debating will begin. To answer some of the more prominent questions in this thread, the following is provided:

Regardless of what they preach the primary criteria the selection committee applies is to assign teams in the manner that will promote parity.
The rest of the criteria such as SOS, wins vs losses, away game records, the so-called body of work, the team’s record in the latter part of the season and what ever other criteria you can think of take a back seat to pushing parity.
The selection committee always goes into great detail about the criteria it applied during the one question and one partial answer period after the selections are announced. Listen carefully, the criteria changes every year.
For all of the newer members or those of us who have forgotten it’s called a conspiracy.

 

[SVCBeercats]

Sunday night at 8, I believe. ESPN.

Oh, if the NCAA has UCONN as a #1 seed, I will seriously enjoy Charlie Bracket whining about the incorrectness of UCONN as a #1 seed.
Hmmmm, ya think if ESPN was airing all of UCONN's games, he just might have UCONN as a #1 seed? Yeah, me too!!!!!!!!!

 

[Carnac]

Why all this angst about Charlie Creme? The poster who calls his stuff clickbait is exactly right. It may be interesting to read, but its purpose is the same as those screamers on Fox Sports and ESPN whose opinions are designed only to rile up the fans. some years Charlie gets it right and some he's way off. Now that the Selection Committee has periodic "reveals," he has become less relevant, and I think he realizes it. Think of him as entertainment that's only somewhat related to the Selection Committee reality.

We like to "rag" on ol' "good time Charlie." He's low-hanging fruit. You're right. 90% of his comments are nothing more than click-bait, and often time we fall for it.

I know the screamers on Fox you're referring to. I never watch those clowns. Most of the time they're as relevant as a walking cane in a snowstorm.

 

[Inthepaint]

Funny how we look at seeding & brackets from an”elite” perspective.
There are so many teams who are first timers or otherwise not considered to have a legitimate chance of advancing too far.
But they jump at the chance to maybe fly across country to play a first round game against a heavily favored team on their home court.
Perhaps fly in and home the same day.
Whatever the ACTUAL brackets and pairing turn out to be, let’s have a little respect for whatever “cupcake” we draw first.
Chances are they will come to Storrs knowing they will be heavily outgunned in front of a hostile crowd.
But they will probably give it all they have even if it’s not enough at the final buzzer.
Whether the brackets are sensible or absurd, we have the talent & heart to be the last women standing.
If we can get & stay healthy, we can score & defend with anyone as long as we don’t succumb to the irrelevant noise & beat ourselves.
Geno has it exactly right.
Whoever UCONN draws and in whatever round, they have to win 6 games.
And they can’t win all 6 at one time.
Take care of business in game 1.
Then we can talk again.
Somebody, somewhere is going to be looking ahead or taking something for granted.
Then we’ll all be saying “WOW, can believe
(Fill in the blank) beat (fill in the blank)!?”
Best way to avoid that happening to the Huskies is to play EVERYONE like they are South Carolina.
IMHO

 

[Carnac]

Cheez. None the final seedlings have been announced and the forum is already in full complaint mode. Don’t worry about it. It will over soon when the real debating will begin. To answer some of the more prominent questions in this thread, the following is provided:

Regardless of what they preach the primary criteria the selection committee applies is to assign teams in the manner that will promote parity.
The rest of the criteria such as SOS, wins vs losses, away game records, the so-called body of work, the team’s record in the latter part of the season and what ever other criteria you can think of take a back seat to pushing parity.
The selection committee always goes into great detail about the criteria it applied during the one question and one partial answer period after the selections are announced. Listen carefully, the criteria changes every year.
For all of the newer members or those of us who have forgotten it’s called a conspiracy.

Forego, THIS is what the Boneyard likes to do. We like to piss, whine, moan, and complain about anything we think is not right, is unfair to us, or excludes or disrespects us. We're spoiled. That's who we are. Just as wealthy people are ok with living like they're rich, We're ok with complaining. Don't forget, this is our forum. We're complaining to each other, not to other fan bases' chatrooms/boards. We could win the national championship, and there would still be a few negative comments about how the team or various players played.

 

[Longtime fan]

Gotta wonder whats goin on. I read Charlies remarks and I have to wonder because for me its very confusing. How can teams struggle in the second half of the season and lose to unranked teams and be thought to be a 1 seed. Why are some teams considered a 1 seed because they won their conference tournament and not UConn? If injuries and returning players play a part in deciding rankings how much better does it get having Azzi and Caroline back? The teams that struggled down the stretch pretty much had their starters on the floor. UConn didnt until the BET and in the BET UConn showed us a different much improved team. The team that dominated the BET is similar to the team that started the season.

Im not sure if its me but I have to wonder if there are anti UConn people trying to sway the rankings and the NCAA pairings? I mention that because of the pairings UConn faced last season. UConn had the tuffest road to the FF and made the Final game. Another concern is how the games will be called. That one you can think about. For me its a concern.

I look at this UConn team now and with Azzi and Caroline back and hopefully Griff we are balanced on both sides of the ball with great outside shooters, with bigs underneath and altogether they can all create their own shot and shoot at a very high percentage from the floor and at the line. Will opponents be good enough to guard and stop UConn? Will defenses play physical and that physicality not be called fouls? If we need to make foul shots who is better then Azzi and Lou and UConn as a team.

For these reasons I cant see UConn losing unless they have injuries or in big time foul trouble.

If UConn faces SC I believe our outside shooting could make the difference. I say that thinking of LVille beating a very good Griner/Baylor team with their outside shooting. I believe UConn can put up alot more points then most teams they will face and because of that trying to defend UConn 5 on 5 would be very difficult. I am really looking forward to tomorrow nite. FWIW my 1 seeds are

SC
UConn
Indiana
Iowa

If we are going to bed in the final four, we have to beat someone good. I will be satisfied as long as UCONN is not in the same grouping as South Carolina.

 

[stamfordhusky]

Creme's strategy of putting click bait out there to improve his marketing appears to be working. Charlie Creme has little or no influence on the selection committee.

To be more exact, Charlie Creme has NO influence on thE election committee. I don’t know why anyone gets concerned about what he is writing. He tries to follow the same criteria as the committee, but he really does not affect it at all.

 

[hoopsfan22]

If we are going to bed in the final four, we have to beat someone good. I will be satisfied as long as UCONN is not in the same grouping as South Carolina.

Why don't you want to be in the same bracket as South Carolina?

 

[Bone Dog]

Why don't you want to be in the same bracket as South Carolina?

To save the best game of the year for the last!

 

[Redux]

If we are going to be in the final four, we have to beat someone good

And a stated principle of the committee in bracket-setting is to make that someone's strength commensurate with what our performance has fairly earned.

A lot of the UConn fans that are being accused of whining or complaining simply want the path to the final four not to be unfairly impeded.

I would whine & complain with the best of them about this ideal fairness being achieved, except that I think the local variables when you come right down to that final matchup to get into the four transcend any objective measure of team strength. It's basically matchups, health, and how hot the team and individual players are at the moment. So, much as I'd like to get into the spirit of whining about UConn getting that perfectly fair opponent in the regional final (if form holds), I can't work up any enthusiasm about it.

 

[oldhusky]

Why don't you want to be in the same bracket as South Carolina?

If you wind up a 2 or 3 seed, you would not want to have to beat South Carolina to even make it to the Final Four, particularly when you have a streak of 14 straight Final Four appearances. Losing to South Carolina in the Final Four would be one thing, but them keeping us out of the Final Four would really hurt.

 

[socal613ws]

If you wind up a 2 or 3 seed, you would not want to have to beat South Carolina to even make it to the Final Four, particularly when you have a streak of 14 straight Final Four appearances. Losing to South Carolina in the Final Four would be one thing, but them keeping us out of the Final Four would really hurt.

people are so obsessed with these "streaks" that really don't matter. What matters at Uconn is winning NATIONAL TITLES

 

[ctkaiser]

For those who want a boiled down version of the of how the selection committee evaluates teams, this is from the NCAA's site:

Criteria used by the Division I Women’s Basketball Committee to evaluate a team includes (alphabetically):

• Availability of talent (injured or unavailable players)
• Bad losses
• Common opponents
• Competitive in losses
• Conference record
• Early competition versus late competition
• Head-to-head outcomes
• NET ranking
• Non-conference record
• Observable component
• Overall record
• Regional Advisory Committee region rankings
• Significant wins
• Strength of schedule

Throw it all into a blender, mix it up, then add personal bias... LOL (this last is my comment)
UConn is currently #2 in the NET. LSU is #3, which gives me some concern over the accuracy of the NET.

What the heck does overall component mean?

 

[hard2please]

the selection committee may not read charlie, but they DO read the BY ... their opening statement is actually: "heres what Tonyc said"...

 

[ctkaiser]

the selection committee may not read charlie, but they DO read the BY ... their opening statement is actually: "heres what Tonyc said"...

If they're quoting TonyC than they're much smarter than I thought they were.

 

[hoopsfan22]

the selection committee may not read charlie, but they DO read the BY ... their opening statement is actually: "heres what Tonyc said"...

If they're using TonyC, you won't get any argument from me, so carry on selection committee!

 

[Redux]

What the heck does overall component mean?

"Observable" component: the eye test.

 

[Husky fanatic]

i’m selfish! I have Greenville tickets. As long as they’re sent to Greenville I don’t care where they’re seeded

 

[Classof87]

Full disclosure… I’m not much for conspiracy theories, but in the case of UConn and where we get seeded, I am ALL IN, BABY! I think there has been an anti-UConn bias for a long time, because of the success our program (and tbh, the way Geno gets under some folk’s skin). I (sort of) remember there was one year where ND got a #1 seed and we got a 2, even though we beat them in the BET. The rational [and the official reply) was “well ND won the regular season crown and that’s more important”. Except they hadn’t won it. We we’re in a tie for the regular season Crown. When pressed, the committee’s response was….. crickets.

 

[RSHERMVIKES]

The women's selection use to be on Monday but this year, they got the Sunday time slot as well. 8pm. Of course we don't get the full day of attention like the men's side. Heck I think they are only going give the women's side just an hout of coverage on Sunday.

JellyBean- - -The Selection show is 8pm to 9pm on ESPN and the discussion of the brackets show is 9pm to 10pm on ESPN2!

 

[fomalhaut]

If the conference tournaments are so important that the winner is put in automatically (I am in favor of that), then they also should be important for determining how a team is playing going into the tournament. I can't understand how a team that didn't even make the finals of their conference championship (unless they were absolutely dominant up to then) can be considered a number 1 seed (that means LSU, Indiana, Utah, and Stanford).

The same should be true of injuries. If a team who has suffered a catastrophic injury prior to the tournament, they are usually downgraded (this may happen to Notre Dame, for example). That should cut both ways: a team that suffered injuries all season, but has now returned to full strength and won both regular season and conference championship with that team, should be judged accordingly for seeding purposes.

 

[visitingcock]

If the conference tournaments are so important that the winner is put in automatically (I am in favor of that), then they also should be important for determining how a team is playing going into the tournament. I can't understand how a team that didn't even make the finals of their conference championship (unless they were absolutely dominant up to then) can be considered a number 1 seed (that means LSU, Indiana, Utah, and Stanford).

The same should be true of injuries. If a team who has suffered a catastrophic injury prior to the tournament, they are usually downgraded (this may happen to Notre Dame, for example). That should cut both ways: a team that suffered injuries all season, but has now returned to full strength and won both regular season and conference championship with that team, should be judged accordingly for seeding purposes.

How important are they really.

Kentucky near SCar for the SEC tournament title last year. Did that make them a one seed? A two seed? No. Where was SCar seeded for losing? Top seed. Didn’t affect them at all.

It is merely a factor they consider. It is given no special weight over the other factors.

 

[oldude]

I have to say that the suggestions that the NCAA is somehow biased against UConn when it comes to seeding just doesn’t hold water. UConn has been a #1 or #2 seed for as long as I can remember. Covid canceled the tournament in 2020 and moved all the regionals to San Antonio in 2021.

Other than those two seasons, UConn has been able to play every regional from 2015 to 2022 at the friendly confines of either the Times-Union Center in Albany, NY or Webster Bank Arena in Bridgeport, CT, in front of large, loud, pro-UConn crowds. If anyone had reason to complain about seeding, it would have been NC State who battled the Huskies through 2 OT’s in the Elite 8 game last year in Bridgeport.

With the NCAA trying out a new “2 regional site” format this year and for the foreseeable future, assuming UConn takes care of business in the 1st two rounds, the Huskies will hit the road to either Greenville, or Seattle. The last time that happened during a normal tournament was 2014, when the Huskies ended up in Lincoln, NE. OH by the way, UConn won it all that year.

Next year the regionals will be back at the Times-Union Center in Albany, NY. I expect to be there along with approximately 17,500 enthusiastic, predominantly pro-UConn Husky fans.

 

[gold2323]

I predict we will be seeded very appropriately as per UCONN being UCONN….the committee knows the big following of the Huskies and wants to see us in Dallas….tv ratings….prestige …our competitiveness…etc etc
A long shot #1 which I believe we deserve but no lower than #2 ….
The dynasty will continue

 

[BBallF]

Boy, everyone out with their arguments against UConn not really being a #1, and once the tournament starts all the officials picking on UConn. Poor UConn! How do we possibly have any chance without a #1 seed and fair officiating? Geez, cut the drama, just go out and play the games already. The best team will probably win in the end.

The best team in the Finals will but there are a lot of factors that affect that game that are the result of seedings. For example, the difficulty of games before the FF, the day you play the Elite 8 game( we had one day less rest than SC did going in), and travel vs. home games (like SC this year). It isn't exactly a perfectly balanced event.

 

[BBallF]

If they are really smart, they would arrange it so Iowa and UCONN play in the Semis and potentially Stanford and SC in the other Semis. The TV audience would be record making.

 

[Gordo]

For UConn, seedlings don’t really matter. 1,2, or 3 seed who cares. Just beat the teams on the schedule. When or where you play them really doesn’t matter.

Exactly! Well said and to the point.