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Dibbie said:
Calling a TO and leaving yourself only 5 seconds to run a play was dumb. Maybe Dan Hurley can’t win a close game
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They would’ve only had 5 seconds with or without a timeout
 
AntG168 said:
Why do I remember Ross being a much better shooter coming out of HS? One thing to consider in tournament settings is the same way a team can get hot and carry that to multiple wins, teams also go through 3 day rough patches that can turn into multiple losses. You don’t have time to regroup in practice before your next game. I think it’s snowballing in Maui right now for this group. I think we’ll see a completely different team against Baylor, Gonzaga and Texas. We win 2 or 3 of those before BE play and we’re top 15 with the Maui disaster forgiven.

Get us out of Maui..
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Not to be a downer, but realistically I just don’t see how we win 2/3 there. Gonzaga is simply better than us, Baylor is gonna ram it down our throats and is super athletic. Idk much about Texas but I know their Freshman is incredible. We lost to a mediocre team today, it’s a tall ask to beat good/great teams.
 
TheHorde said:
I can see a path to Nowell starting this season. And at this rate Abraham might get decent minutes later in the season.
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I agree. Abraham may get the Ross role at some point. Ross is athletic and plays with tremendous energy but it's frantic, nervous energy. You could tell he didn't play last year because he kind of plays like a freshman. For someone so athletic, he gets beat off the dribble a lot and on offense his shot is just not falling. Reminds me of what we heard from Solo last year where he was supposedly making everything in practice but outside of a couple games, it didn't translate. Practice has not translated to games for Ross outside of that first game against a cupcake. Meanwhile, Stewart seems like someone who steps up when the lights come on and needs a longer rope.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
Not to be a downer, but realistically I just don’t see how we win 2/3 there. Gonzaga is simply better than us, Baylor is gonna ram it down our throats and is super athletic. Idk much about Texas but I know their Freshman is incredible. We lost to a mediocre team today, it’s a tall ask to beat good/great teams.
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It seems that way now because we haven’t seen it imo. I think we should give this amazing staff some practices and time to regroup. I’ll make my full judgement after that stretch. We’ll know everything we need to know.

But I agree. Maui hasn’t provided much hope
 
AntG168 said:
They would’ve only had 5 seconds with or without a timeout
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I think he was saying by callin the TO you gave Colorado a chance to setup their defense. Playing it out leaves them scrambling on offense with that amount of time. A little more time on the clock say 8 seconds you can setup a better play.
 
444JR said:
Steph was composite #9 overall. McNeeley was composite #10 overall. Steph’s supporting cast was much better. We didn’t need the sort of contribution from Steph at this juncture of the season that we need from McNeeley.
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That may all be true…..but at the next level and come draft time there will be a bigger difference.
superjohn said:
It's weird the one player you mention is Liam considering he was our best player today and has arguably been our best player so far this season. Kid is a gamer.
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yeah, you are right, I really wasn’t trying to take a shot at Liam as I like him and he is everything you mention. I guess just frustration on how we are playing. And that just came to mind.
 
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Ouch. Looks like I picked a good game to skip. Oh well, looks like it may be one of those years we have to scramble to get a bid. Unlike yesterday, this was a bad loss.
 
blkknight1 said:
I think he was saying by callin the TO you gave Colorado a chance to setup their defense. Playing it out leaves them scrambling on offense with that amount of time. A little more time on the clock say 8 seconds you can setup a better play.
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I guess. But if he didn’t call a time out that same poster would be saying he should’ve
 
I am starting to think the whole "can't win a close game" thing is actually becoming a concern. The team got up 4 late in OT yesterday and folded and again today up 5 after the wild Solo shot. After missing the FT out of the break it just seemed to snowball into a team that didn't have the confidence to know how to close out the game.

Anybody else think we would have been better off in an open court situation with the last 9 seconds instead of calling the timeout to draw something up? To me it's usually favorable to the offense to have an open court situation trying to get to the basket as time expires.
 
ConnZag3 said:
I am starting to think the whole "can't win a close game" thing is actually becoming a concern. The team got up 4 late in OT yesterday and folded and again today up 5 after the wild Solo shot. After missing the FT out of the break it just seemed to snowball into a team that didn't have the confidence to know how to close out the game.

Anybody else think we would have been better off in an open court situation with the last 9 seconds instead of calling the timeout to draw something up? To me it's usually favorable to the offense to have an open court situation trying to get to the basket as time expires.
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I generally really like this staff drawing offense up, and lord knows we have shooters. But THAT was not what I was expecting.
 
That's not your shot Diarra. Pass the ball.
 
Two games we easily couldve won and lost

Down 12 to Memphis up 12 today lost both by combined 3 points

It’s a good team that needs tweaking

Play smarter d and focus on getting the ball to the basket more.
 
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superjohn said:
We are really talented, the sum is way less than the parts right now. We have way more talent across the board than Colorado.
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What evidence other than the hype from the coach is there that “we are really talented”
 
We lost by 2 and by 1 in games in which our defense has been abysmal and we have been been on the wrong side of officiating (likely due to Hurley’s antics).

Get the defense worked out and start working the refs to benefit us and we will be alright.

Diarra kept us in both games. Ball and McNeeley are trending in the right direction. Reed looked great yesterday. Stewart provided sparks off the bench. Do we have issues? Absolutely. It’s early in the season and Maui always proves to be a tough atmosphere. Teams come to play.
 
TheHorde said:
I love Liam and he’s a terrific shooter and scorer. But he needs to get more than 1 rebound and 1 assist playing 33 minutes. He had a couple of turnovers and a couple of near turnovers. One of his bad passes resulted in Reed fouling out. Our guards would routinely get 5-6 rebounds and 3-5 assists playing that many minutes last year.
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I hear you on 1 rebound and 1 assist but he scored 20 points on 6/9 shooting and gutted it out coming back on the court from injury. I'm even more impressed with Liam after these past two games than before. He showed he shakes off a rough game to hit clutch threes at the end, he showed leadership, and he showed he will play through injury.

He's a freshman and showed the things I want to see from Karaban but Alex was quieter than a church mouse out there after saying it's all on his shoulders after the game yesterday.
 
2 thoughts. :
1. We may need to learn to play some zone with this particular roster. Just not quick enough on he perimeter and no rim protection
2. Hurley needs to trust Karaban with 2 fouls and play him in the 1st half. Took him out of rhythm and we should have been up by 12 or 14 at break
 
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blkknight1 said:
A symptom of the fouls. Picks up stupid fouls has to sit gets out of rhythm. Losses his aggressiveness on the defensive end but also on the offensive end. Doesn’t go as hard for the offensive board. Doesn’t bang down low out of fear of drawing the offensive foul.
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True. A lot of soft whistles, but Samson just is incapable of staying on the court.

Can't have the ball in Diarra'a hands so much. Ball needs to handle more.

Diarra is also become a defense liability. He's a solid backup, nothing more. The offense needs to revolve around AK, McNeeley, Ball, and Reed. Everyone else has to pick up the hustle points.
 
We lost to a preseason #15 team from the Big12. It could get ugly vs Baylor and Texas
 
not a coincidence that we loose when Hurley and the staff are forced to wear golf shirts. They need to dress good, feel good, play good.
 
Candyman said:
Just not a good team. Seen this coming a mile away. Poor constructed roster. No one can create their own shots. When Diarra takes your last two shots of the game you know your team is in trouble. As good as he was he should be driving with game on line into traffic. Then we have no good play set up at end.

Defense is the worst it’s been in years. Like years. A mediocre Colorado team scored at will.
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Lambeau said:
Problem with Diarra as PG is his judgement is often off--drives into traffic and turns it over, or shoots 3's indiscriminately.
I dunno the answer to our biggest problem. But we're too talented to lose like this. Rudderless.
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Because Diarra is a 6th man. That’s what he is and a good one.

He is not a starting point guard on a deep run tournament team
 
superjohn said:
I hear you on 1 rebound and 1 assist but he scored 20 points on 6/9 shooting and gutted it out coming back on the court from injury. I'm even more impressed with Liam after these past two games than before. He showed he shakes off a rough game to hit clutch threes at the end, he showed leadership, and he showed he will play through injury.

He's a freshman and showed the things I want to see from Karaban but Alex was quieter than a church mouse out there after saying it's all on his shoulders after the game yesterday.
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I wouldn’t count out this coaching staff or these kids. They’ll get better and compete. The horses might not be there to the same degree as the past two years, but they won’t play like this for long.
 
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superjohn said:
We are really talented, the sum is way less than the parts right now. We have way more talent across the board than Colorado.
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I really don't think we are though. Liam is the only dude on the team where it's like "this guy is an all around baller." AK is great but he isn't and never was athletic enough to create his own shot and it was unfair to task him with being Superman. Solo is a really good 2 guard but the rest of the backcourt is so lacking in talent that he can't just play within his role.

I like Tarris on offense but he's not a rim protector, and Samson is Samson. Nowell/Mahaney/Diarra is way too small of a backcourt to compensate for the lack of rim protection down low. It's a really easy team to gameplan against now (total opposite of last year), and I don't see how it changes. (Other than an infusion of talent; I'm huge on next year's class, they make so much sense)
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Not to be a downer, but realistically I just don’t see how we win 2/3 there. Gonzaga is simply better than us, Baylor is gonna ram it down our throats and is super athletic. Idk much about Texas but I know their Freshman is incredible. We lost to a mediocre team today, it’s a tall ask to beat good/great teams.
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These are island games in November. there’s nothing more fluky than this event in a high school gym. I assume we just should pack it in the rest of the year? I’m not writing the obituary until the new year. Gonzaga in the garden?? And Baylor in Gampel. We’ll win both of those games.
 
Hunt for 7 said:
This feels different to me because we won our first 14 before we fell apart so we knew they had it in them. I am not sure I have seen anything that says this team is any better than a 7 or 8 seed and that might be a stretch.

We are just not athletic enough and I don’t see anything that tells me the roster construction is going to get us there.

Liam may have been a higher recruit than Steph (not sure) but the only thing he does better on the BB court than Steph is shoot.

I really want to be optimistic but it’s looking like this is a transition year.

I hope I am wrong about everything but this is very concerning.
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It is different. Every season is. But the fact is, 2 straight losses in November CAN be an indicator, but doesn’t necessarily have to be.

People are now claiming wild things about overall talent levels, etc. when it’s mostly about learning about your team and growing.
 
superjohn said:
I hear you on 1 rebound and 1 assist but he scored 20 points on 6/9 shooting and gutted it out coming back on the court from injury. I'm even more impressed with Liam after these past two games than before. He showed he shakes off a rough game to hit clutch threes at the end, he showed leadership, and he showed he will play through injury.

He's a freshman and showed the things I want to see from Karaban but Alex was quieter than a church mouse out there after saying it's all on his shoulders after the game yesterday.
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I’m more impressed with McNeeley than yesterday, but his defense was pretty poor again. His shot has/always will be there. But his guy seems to drive by him any time he wants. Not that anyone else is particularly good defensively, but I expected him to be better on that end.
 
Forte said:
Its not about challenging a threepeat its about how off two national championshps is our talent unable to beat two unranked teams in a row and very likely will drop out of the top 25 next week. Who did these coaches recruit?
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If we win our next game we aren't dropping out.
 
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