The back end is equally frustrating. Hawkins left a very unfinished product and has struggled mightily. I suspect his nba career would have been more successful with an additional year of seasoning. Unfortunately, you have to take life changing money if handled correctly. Clearly, castle was ready but hawikns, andre and even donovan would have benefited from staying another year.
I mostly agree. I wish Hurley would focus more on making guys complete offensive players here and not just teaching them to shoot. That’s the main pattern with our perimeter guys.The back end is equally frustrating. Hawkins left a very unfinished product and has struggled mightily. I suspect his nba career would have been more successful with an additional year of seasoning. Unfortunately, you have to take life changing money if handled correctly. Clearly, castle was ready but hawikns, andre and even donovan would have benefited from staying another year.
Wow. It almost sounds like you'd be willing to propose something crazy, like trying to turn Ball into a point guard.I mostly agree. I wish Hurley would focus more on making guys complete offensive players here and not just teaching them to shoot. That’s the main pattern with our perimeter guys.
I’ve seen crazier. Like trying to make Mahaney one and thinking he’d be an All-American doing itWow. It almost sounds like you'd be willing to propose something crazy, like trying to turn Ball into a point guard.
I'll be the first to acknowledge I haven't watched the NBA much for the past 5-6 years. So perhaps I'm missing something. But I don't understand why some people speak of Hawkins as if he's a bust already (not saying that's what you're doing, just talking about the general sentiment.) He's shown flashes of being a really productive scorer, but he's streaky. That's exactly who he was at UConn his sophomore year. It's crazy to look back at his stats and see he shot a tick under 41% overall that season, because he is such a sniper when he's on. But there were some games he was just off, as well as some games where he was off most of the game but was able to shoot himself out of it towards the end. The numbers reflect that. I get that his shooting splits are even lower in the NBA, but he is still just under 35% from deep through 2 seasons and was over 36% his first season. The potential as a shooter is still there, as he's only 23.Andre was done developing. He is the player he is, basically. He just isn't wired to score.
Donovan is killing it in the league.
Hawkins not being able to shoot in the league was a surprise to most folks. He's just not big enough for the league. A year at UConn wouldn't have changed that.
@RuffRuff, we need a Ruffball here. 😂Need that first crystal ball
I know you're working off your schtick here to a large degree, but anyone who claims to scrutinize game tape, practice tape posts on social media, and your exclusive fly-on-the-wall hidden camera video of practices as much as you do knows darn well that sophomore Hawkins did more than shoot 3's off screens. He was starting to develop a drive/mid/dribble penetration game.I mostly agree. I wish Hurley would focus more on making guys complete offensive players here and not just teaching them to shoot. That’s the main pattern with our perimeter guys.
The back end is equally frustrating.
Jordan Hawkins total FGA% that year.I know you're working off your schtick here to a large degree, but anyone who claims to scrutinize game tape, practice tape posts on social media, and your exclusive fly-on-the-wall hidden camera video of practices as much as you do knows darn well that sophomore Hawkins did more than shoot 3's off screens. He was starting to develop a drive/mid/dribble penetration game.
As just one of many examples (I'm not going to make a mixtape for you), he almost had one of the all-time highlight dunks in the history of National Championship games off a dribble-drive but overcooked his finish.
👀 Louisville: "I love Louisville. Louisville has a great program, and they have just been recruiting me hard. Ever since they saw me for the first time, they have been on me nonstop."I think we batted 100% with announcements on 247Sports (now owned by CBS) last year. Hope that continues. If Finkelstein is doing the show then we're good.
In an interview with 247Sports, Landrew broke down each of his final schools before he makes his decision.
UConn: "I like UConn. Coach [Dan] Hurley runs a good team, he's a great coach, he coaches his kids hard. I like that."
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Any Ruffball here would be only teal leaves and logic only. I have no sources in Georgia!@RuffRuff, we need a Ruffball here. 😂
Is it Dan Hurley's responsibility to ensure your continued development once in the league or is his responsibility to get you drafted as high as possible? I'd opt for the latter. Dan Hurley is not the G League. His priority is to build winning rosters, to the program, the fans and the university.I know you're working off your schtick here to a large degree, but anyone who claims to scrutinize game tape, practice tape posts on social media, and your exclusive fly-on-the-wall hidden camera video of practices as much as you do knows darn well that sophomore Hawkins did more than shoot 3's off screens. He was starting to develop a drive/mid/dribble penetration game.
As just one of many examples (I'm not going to make a mixtape for you), he almost had one of the all-time highlight dunks in the history of National Championship games off a dribble-drive but overcooked his finish.
Coaches have no responsibility to prepare the players properly for the NBA. Got it.Is it Dan Hurley's responsibility to ensure your continued development once in the league or is his responsibility to get you drafted as high as possible? I'd opt for the latter. Dan Hurley is not the G League. His priority is to build winning rosters, to the program, the fans and the university.
He gives kids the stage, puts them in a position to win. He is not a magician or an alchemist. He got Jordan Hawkins & Andre Jackson drafted lottery & early second because they were part of a winner.
I'd argue that outside of McNeeley, he's gotten every kid the last few years drafted higher than they could have dreamed. Even Castle - who was the 10th ranked HS recruit yet second of that class to go in that draft (after Shephard).
Once you're in the league, with their resources & $$, it's on the kid to develop in areas they need to, not friggin Hurley's.
Ludicrous.
Wow. We have kids play to their strengths more than their weaknesses. Shocking. It’s like we’re trying to selfishly win games for our own benefit or something.Jordan Hawkins total FGA% that year.
50.7% from the above the break 3.
- 22% higher than the average D1 player
11% from midrange 2s
- 2% lower than the average D1 player
10% from in the paint
- 9% lower than the average D1 player
15.5% at the the rim
- 14.6% lower than the average D1 player
Let’s look at Solo for fun.
53.6% from above the break 3.
- 24% higher than the average D1 player
5% from midrange 2s
- 6% lower than the average D1 player
12% from in the paint
- 7% lower than the average D1 player
20% at the rim
- 11% lower than the average D1 player
Almost like these things are a trend or something
Here’s some pretty visual charts to go with it.
It's a coaches priority to create the best roster to win year over year, by getting the right players and developing those players for the system. Along the way, players should be developing their strengths. The cream should rise naturally. Hurley shouldn't be deliberately running a system of iso ball to tailor to NBA translation, or working with players one on one with a focus on their NBA game, while in college - give.me.a.break.Coaches have no responsibility to prepare the players properly for the NBA. Got it.
The statement was that he did more than shoot 3s. I show stats and facts to show not really.Wow. We have kids play to their strengths more than their weaknesses. Shocking. It’s like we’re trying to selfishly win games for our own benefit or something.
Congratulations on fully morphing into this forum's most insufferable posterCoaches have no responsibility to prepare the players properly for the NBA. Got it.
Jordan Hawkins is a specialist, 3 pt shooting. He's shown little else in his game. Jordan Hawkins shot 33% from 3 last year. Al Horford shot better than that from 3 the last 10 years, over 40% in a couple years. When you're a specialist at something, you have to be really good at it.I'll be the first to acknowledge I haven't watched the NBA much for the past 5-6 years. So perhaps I'm missing something. But I don't understand why some people speak of Hawkins as if he's a bust already (not saying that's what you're doing, just talking about the general sentiment.) He's shown flashes of being a really productive scorer, but he's streaky. That's exactly who he was at UConn his sophomore year. It's crazy to look back at his stats and see he shot a tick under 41% overall that season, because he is such a sniper when he's on. But there were some games he was just off, as well as some games where he was off most of the game but was able to shoot himself out of it towards the end. The numbers reflect that. I get that his shooting splits are even lower in the NBA, but he is still just under 35% from deep through 2 seasons and was over 36% his first season. The potential as a shooter is still there, as he's only 23.
Again, I haven't watched the Pelicans or the NBA much for awhile. I'm unsure of the exact role he plays for the team. But I think he could maybe benefit from going to a team that has no playoff hopes for a season and being one of the core players. Not necessarily a star, but a guy playing 30min/night on a team that is just looking to develop young guys and get a good draft slot as they reset/rebuild.
LOL isn't that kinda what you'd want to see from your 3pt shooting snipers? Those numbers don't really prove your point as much as you think they do. ~40% of their shots weren't from 3!!!Jordan Hawkins total FGA% that year.
50.7% from the above the break 3.
- 22% higher than the average D1 player
11% from midrange 2s
- 2% lower than the average D1 player
10% from in the paint
- 9% lower than the average D1 player
15.5% at the the rim
- 14.6% lower than the average D1 player
Let’s look at Solo for fun.
53.6% from above the break 3.
- 24% higher than the average D1 player
5% from midrange 2s
- 6% lower than the average D1 player
12% from in the paint
- 7% lower than the average D1 player
20% at the rim
- 11% lower than the average D1 player
Almost like these things are a trend or something
Here’s some pretty visual charts to go with it.
If HW611 was our coach, he'd be playing all our freshman development players big minutes during crucial BE games, deliberately losing them so we can "better develop NBA players". And having all the players do tennis ball dribbling drills while seated on the bench.Wow. We have kids play to their strengths more than their weaknesses. Shocking. It’s like we’re trying to selfishly win games for our own benefit or something.