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Seems like you'd have to offer her beaucoup bucks because (a) she went to Zona, (b) she is and made this program so it is hers for the foreseeable future, and (c) Tucson cost of living is a fraction of Austin's, so it's not just pay but also pay vs. cost of living.

At this point, seems like Arizona has the better basketball programs for both men and women. Not seeing Texas as an overly desirable lateral these days.
Not all coaches are in it for the highest salary they can get; everyone has different reasons for accepting/declining a job.

Yes, I realize Barnes and some of the other PAC 12 coaches have ties to their schools, states, regions, etc. But, we all know the PAC 12 is in trouble financially compared to the other P5 conferences. Raises for the coaches in all sports except football and men's basketball aren't gonna be huge in the coming years.

Barnes would be smart to at least "flirt" with Texas. At a minimum, it will get her a raise from her boss.

Texas was paying Gail Goestenkors $1 million a year back in 2007. We went on the cheap and hired Karen Aston for $600,000; a few years later, she's bumped up to $850,000 or so. If Texas is willing to offer its new head coach about $1.2 million, it will peek the interest of many coaches making half that amount in their current PAC 12 position.

A couple of years ago, no one expected Texas would be able to lure away Oregon's softball head coach, Mike White. But, we did. And, his program was Top 5 in the country and PAC 12 champions.
 
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Maybe Texas will lure Tina Thompson back to Austin?

Based on her stellar run at Virginia? I'd say that would be a miss. Texas is going to want to go after some big fish. Mediocrity won't cut it in Austin.
 

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Who though? I can't see Barnes leaving Arizona just as she's built the program into a solid top team, Rueck leaving OSU (he's a native Oregonian and not a Texas type at all), Graves leaving Oregon (they CAN pay), Tara leaving Stanford, or Close leaving UCLA. Beyond those, other than maybe CTT, I don't see who's an attractive get?
I'm assuming you know how low of a salary Close is earning. I honestly can't fathom that salary with such a high cost of living in LA. Barnes is "new" to the head coaching world; maybe she his happy with her current salary (even though it's low). Graves is making a lot less than I thought he was earning.

Again, I think they would all listen (assuming they have agents advising them) to any interest from Texas. They very well could decline based on their priorities.
 

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Based on her stellar run at Virginia? I'd say that would be a miss. Texas is going to want to go after some big fish. Mediocrity won't cut it in Austin.
Just my opinion, but it doesn't have to a be "big fish". Just someone who is s good x's and o's coach, a good/great recruiter, hard worker, and has some NCAA tourney success (or on the verge).
 
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Given recent events, money-whipping a top name may not be much of an option, even for Texas. If all or part of the college football season is lost, the loss of revenue will be devastating for all other sports. I can't see an AD giving out a big money guarantee with the future so hazy. If Aston's contract hadn't been up, I highly doubt Texas would have made a move at this time.
 

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I've started a separate thread here, as the Texas job probably deserves its own thread.

 

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Just my opinion, but it doesn't have to a be "big fish". Just someone who is s good x's and o's coach, a good/great recruiter, hard worker, and has some NCAA tourney success (or on the verge).

In that vein, I'd suggest your AD have a look/talk with Tina Langley at Rice. She's pretty much resurrected that program at an academically presitigous school with an adept use of recruiting and transfers. Now might be a good time for her to make a move, given that her star player, Erica Ogwumike, is graduating. (Yes, she still has 6'9" Nancy Mulkey there for one more year).

Before Texas, she was associate head coach for Brenda Freese at Maryland, taking over the Jeff Walz slot. And before that, stints at Georgia (under Andy Landers) and Clemson.

Perhaps not the PAC12 firecracker, but perhaps a person ready to take the next step up. And given the uncertainty of how this event is going to affect college athletics, she probably wouldn't chew up a budget.
 
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Given recent events, money-whipping a top name may not be much of an option, even for Texas. If all or part of the college football season is lost, the loss of revenue will be devastating for all other sports. I can't see an AD giving out a big money guarantee with the future so hazy. If Aston's contract hadn't been up, I highly doubt Texas would have made a move at this time.
This times 1000. Stanford has one of the largest university endowments in the world, and this was the email that the provost just sent out yesterday:

To our Stanford community,

As we approach a new spring quarter in a dramatically changed world, I am writing to update you on several issues, including spring instruction, our plans for summer programs, and new steps we need to take to address the serious financial challenges to the university posed by COVID-19.

First, I want to acknowledge the magnitude of change that we all are living with right now. The scale of disruption created by the COVID-19 pandemic is unprecedented in most of our lifetimes. All of us are trying to work in new ways while dealing with interruptions to our plans and projects. Many of our undergraduate students have had to move on short notice. People across our community are caring for children at home or worrying about the health of loved ones. I deeply appreciate the grace, self-sacrifice and thoughtfulness for the well-being of others that I have seen across our community in this time of such profound challenge.

Stanford, as a community, also confronts a fundamentally changed environment. We must continue our work of educating students, developing new knowledge for the world and providing the best health care for patients. Our world needs these things urgently. But we need to do so in altered ways, and I am writing to explain some of those alterations.

The spring quarter

As you know, we are about to begin a fully online spring quarter – and though it will be online, we expect it to be an engaging and rigorous quarter for students. I’m grateful to our faculty, who are responding with vigor and creativity to the demand for new ways of teaching, deeply committed to supporting the continued academic success of our students.

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We are very sorry to have to take this additional step in response to COVID-19. Though the summer is a few months away, many summer program deadlines are approaching quickly. It appears increasingly likely that some level of social distancing will be needed for some time, and a return to “normal” campus activities will not be able to occur overnight. We have concluded that it simply is not feasible to proceed with normal programming this summer.

I know that many of you will have questions about specific programs offered during the summer. Many programs will need to make new plans. I am asking that each program provide information to its constituents within the next week about its updated plans for the summer and the implications for participants.

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A challenging financial period

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The challenge begins in the current fiscal year, when we are seeing both increased costs associated with our pandemic response, as well as major loss of revenue from programs that are being canceled or curtailed. We also expect major financial impacts in FY21. The recent steep drop in the financial markets and likely continued market volatility almost certainly will significantly impact the university’s endowment, reducing resources available in the next academic year.

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While our full response will evolve over time, given the impacts we already know will occur we are taking the following initial steps now:
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Thank you for everything you are doing to support one another during this extraordinary time for our nation and world, and for our university.

Sincerely,

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Tl;dr: Huge financial cuts ahead, salary freezes, pay cuts, faculty and staff hiring pause, and many capital projects will be "re-evaluated to determine whether or when they should proceed."

I truly don't think folks realize how screwed higher education is about to be. I can't see any universe where the Texas AD can responsibly extend a $1.2m contract for a WBB coach in this climate, let alone a large fraction of that.
 
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In that vein, I'd suggest your AD have a look/talk with Tina Langley at Rice. She's pretty much resurrected that program at an academically presitigous school with an adept use of recruiting and transfers. Now might be a good time for her to make a move, given that her star player, Erica Ogwumike, is graduating. (Yes, she still has 6'9" Nancy Mulkey there for one more year).

Before Texas, she was associate head coach for Brenda Freese at Maryland, taking over the Jeff Walz slot. And before that, stints at Georgia (under Andy Landers) and Clemson.

Perhaps not the PAC12 firecracker, but perhaps a person ready to take the next step up. And given the uncertainty of how this event is going to affect college athletics, she probably wouldn't chew up a budget.

In the other thread re Texas I suggested Bernabei-McNamee from BC. The price is right and, even though it's her first year at BC, her history suggests she would be flexible re moving.
 

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In the other thread re Texas I suggested Bernabei-McNamee from BC. The price is right and, even though it's her first year at BC, her history suggests she would be flexible re moving.

Hah! We owe each other a beer :D I just replied to you. Both are from the Maryland coaching tree (which can certainly help with recruiting). I like Langley simply because she's five years into her assignment at Rice and is located in Texas (Houston) and is hopefully more familiar with the recruiting circles there. I love Bernabei-McNamee at BC and thinks that her ability to coach up will become even more of a value once she extends her recruiting reach (hint for BC, coach: visit the Catholic Schools at the Jersey shore, early and often).
 

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According to this, from 2016-17, the difference in total compensation between Close and Aston was less than $50k apart...

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(total compensation is the last column on the right - as you can see, Aston's base salary was higher, but Close had more in "other" compensation)
Karen receive a raise in Fall 2017 which bumped her up from $600k to $850k.

Don't forget to factor in that Texas has no state income tax like California does, and the cost of living in Austin is significantly less than in LA. :D
 

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Not all coaches are in it for the highest salary they can get; everyone has different reasons for accepting/declining a job.

Yes, I realize Barnes and some of the other PAC 12 coaches have ties to their schools, states, regions, etc. But, we all know the PAC 12 is in trouble financially compared to the other P5 conferences. Raises for the coaches in all sports except football and men's basketball aren't gonna be huge in the coming years.

Barnes would be smart to at least "flirt" with Texas. At a minimum, it will get her a raise from her boss.

Texas was paying Gail Goestenkors $1 million a year back in 2007. We went on the cheap and hired Karen Aston for $600,000; a few years later, she's bumped up to $850,000 or so. If Texas is willing to offer its new head coach about $1.2 million, it will peek the interest of many coaches making half that amount in their current PAC 12 position.

A couple of years ago, no one expected Texas would be able to lure away Oregon's softball head coach, Mike White. But, we did. And, his program was Top 5 in the country and PAC 12 champions.
But White could not deliver the goods in the world series. They flopped every year and froze up because he put so much pressure on them. I guess if conference championships and a Bobby Knight style is what you want more power to everyone.
 

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But White could not deliver the goods in the world series. They flopped every year and froze up because he put so much pressure on them. I guess if conference championships and a Bobby Knight style is what you want more power to everyone.
We get it. You hate Mike White.
 

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We get it. You hate Mike White.
I found Oregon under White one of the few PAC programs I could not root for as a conference mate. UCLA and ASU are the other 2. And it wasn't ASU back in the day when Myers was there.

Will never root for UCLA softball, by the way. Can't do it.

I don't know why we didn't like White, but we didn't. Historically, we have rooted for Texas (family in the area) but I just couldn't do it with White there.
 
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I found Oregon under White one of the few PAC programs I could not root for as a conference mate. UCLA and ASU are the other 2. And it wasn't ASU back in the day when Myers was there.

Will never root for UCLA softball, by the way. Can't do it.

I don't know why we didn't like White, but we didn't. Historically, we have rooted for Texas (family in the area) but I just couldn't do it with White there.
Southie won't pull the pitching stats of Oregon teams in the WCWS. Miranda English, Cheridan Hawkins and Megan Kliest would freeze up and opposing ptchers hit on them like batting machine. The reason why, well White's applying maximum pressure on them melted their confidence come WCWS time.

So here it is to paying a coach for conference championships when he has not proved himself ever on the big stage.
 

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Southie won't pull the pitching stats of Oregon teams in the WCWS. Miranda English, Cheridan Hawkins and Megan Kliest would freeze up and opposing ptchers hit on them like batting machine. The reason why, well White's applying maximum pressure on them melted their confidence come WCWS time.

So here it is to paying a coach for conference championships when he has not proved himself ever on the big stage.
I find it confusing that you continually want to dog a softball coach here on the UConn women's basketball message board; makes no sense. Don't make this about me. It's about you and your agenda. Plain and simple. Don't drag me into your obsession.
 

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FWIW, there is absolutely zero love lost between Mike White and Stanford, too. There were allegations he helped get our former coach John Rittman fired. White's daughter played for Stanford softball and left the team, and there were allegations he was involved in the movement of players and parents seeking Rittman's ouster.

So KnightBridgeAZ ain't the only one who thinks White can take a long walk off a short pier. And not sure how much you pay attention to it, but the General board often has side-threads on other women's college sports like Volleyball and Soccer. Sometimes there are even threads on pro tennis. World's not going to end just because we talk about other sports from time to time.
I am not here to argue/discuss the Texas (former Oregon) softball head coach on the UConn women's basketball message board. IMO, it's completely disrespectful to those who are on here to enjoy discussion about women's hoops.

I must have have misunderstood the title of this thread, and its intended purpose.

Here's a link to a softball collegiate forum where you can discuss Mike White ad nauseam:

 

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Ok, so now that the little sidebar of PAC12 softball is over (which I did enjoy as a huge softball fan and maybe we could start our own private chat as some good nuggets were brought up), who besides ANYONE in the PAC12 does @southie think UT will talk with. Also, BC's coach is NOT in her first year at BC. Here's her bio from Wiki


Personally, not sure that would be a good hire at Texas as she does not know the HS circles there. Could suffer the same issues that Gail did. The Big12 is not a good WCBB Conference and the #2 position should be Texas. There is NO WAY that I think Texas will ever supplant Baylor as along as Kim Mulkey is there but #2 and a regular visits to the Top 10 should be expected.
Thoughts?
 
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Intriguing development in Natchitoches.

Newly hired Northwestern State head coach Missy Bilderback has decided not to take the position after all.


Her husband is a very successful HS football coach, her dad retired from coaching a few years back. And all of her family is from the Hattiesburg area. Everything that happened with this virus made her rethink family and being close to the ones you love. Hate it for NSU, but she made a personal decision.
 
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Who though? I can't see Barnes leaving Arizona just as she's built the program into a solid top team, Rueck leaving OSU (he's a native Oregonian and not a Texas type at all), Graves leaving Oregon (they CAN pay), Tara leaving Stanford, or Close leaving UCLA. Beyond those, other than maybe CTT, I don't see who's an attractive get?
I'd be surprised if CTT would leave for any job but Stanford. She continues to have ties to Tempe and is building a legacy here.
 

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I'd be surprised if CTT would leave for any job but Stanford. She continues to have ties to Tempe and is building a legacy here.
She was a candidate for the Texas job prior to the hiring of Goestenkors back in 2012. Not sure if she ever interviewed for the job, though. But, the local media did report her as a serious candidate (but, that is open to interpretation).
 

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This is just random thinking on my part, but to me CTT leaving seems more likely than Barnes or Rueck (not sure about Close?). She's been at ASU for quite a while and has probably done as much as she can there. Rueck is trending upward in recruiting in recent years and can probably still improve the program overall. Barnes is just getting things rolling at UA. Even if she's tempted to leave, it might be a matter of bad timing. Heading into McDonald's Sr. year after she decided to come back, with a bunch of momentum building in Tucson, just seems like the wrong year to try to pry her away.
 

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