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2020 Recruiting: Cliff Omoruyi Top 5

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Tenspro2002 said:
10 and 6 on 3-10 shooting, with 3 of those rebounds being his own missed bunnies. It's efficiency, not counting stats.
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Ok so people are still not understanding what I’m saying. Nowhere have I said that Carlton is efficient or better than Omoruyi. You have to think about it from a recruit’s perspective. If you’re a freshman looking for immediate minutes, would you want to go to a program that guarantees you those minutes from day 1 or a program that will make you complete and earn your minutes? For most incoming recruits it’s the former.
 
upstater said:
Hate to say this but, Akok is going to need at least 3 years. Great player, but still incredibly raw. He can't be out there for more than 25.

Carlton, Javonte and Cliff would be the only centers. 15-20, 15-20, and 10.
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superjohn said:
It wouldn't be a minutes logjam, it's called having a frontcourt. Our frontcourt is so incredibly lacking I think sometimes we forget what a frontcourt looks like.
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I expect Springs to be a backup 4 to Akok and to be able to play some 5. So yes, I agree we are lacking now, but in the front court as it stands without Cliff we (a) lose no players (presumably) and (b) add Javonte Brown Ferguson and Springs.

Now, we aren't permitted to speculate, but in order to add Cliff somebody has to not come back. If that somebody currently plays at the 4 or 5, then the crunch is lessened.

I'm not saying you don't take Cliff if we can get him, of course we do. I'm saying he may not like the situation, especially the two other bigs in his same class.
 
upstater said:
No big in the last decade has been able to give us more than 20 minutes consistently. There's plenty of time available for 2 bigs. At 25 minutes, they foul out.
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This just doesn't sound like much of a problem. If he comes here and he's not as good as Josh is on day 1, he still gets 15 minutes a game at the 5 and 10 at the 4 while Carlton and Akok rest. Above 25 minutes a game he will have to earn, but even if he comes in like Shaq (and there is no reason to think he would) you wouldn't expect a frosh big to be able to give you much more than 30 or at the max 32 minutes a game anyway. So at worst you're telling him he's going to have to earn the last 5 to 7 minutes, but you see 25 as easy.

From everything I've heard about Javonte Brown Ferguson, his impact is way down the road. I don't know what promises were made to him, but if Carlton, Whalley, Akok and Cliff are all here next year, he would probably benefit from a redshirt. And if Polley has recovered and we can start the year with 12 players, as opposed to 10, that's enough players and redshirting him would be fine.
 
ZenConn said:
Yeah good point. I guess we'll have JC and Javonte Brown Ferguson compete on who fouls out first then.
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I'm not sure I understand. For all the fair criticisms we can make about Josh, being able to stay out of foul trouble and on the floor isn't one of them.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I expect Springs to be a backup 4 to Akok and to be able to play some 5. So yes, I agree we are lacking now, but in the front court as it stands without Cliff we (a) lose no players (presumably) and (b) add Javonte Brown Ferguson and Springs.

Now, we aren't permitted to speculate, but in order to add Cliff somebody has to not come back. If that somebody currently plays at the 4 or 5, then the crunch is lessened.

I'm not saying you don't take Cliff if we can get him, of course we do. I'm saying he may not like the situation, especially the two other bigs in his same class.
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If we ever get back to a 13 man roster -- as opposed to this year at 10, which after injuries seems to be all we've had for the last few years -- then you have some players who aren't going to be in a regular rotation. And they either live with it or leave. If Whaley is starved for minutes next year, is that really a bad thing? We have no idea that Springs will be ready to help the team next year, as opposed to down the road. Same with Javonte Brown Ferguson. There are minutes for Carlton, Akok and Cliff as the two bigs. That will largely eliminate the minutes for our other bigs but we don't have any other bigs that that have earned Big East level minutes.

And if players take Carlton's minutes, great. That means we'll be better inside next year.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I expect Springs to be a backup 4 to Akok and to be able to play some 5. So yes, I agree we are lacking now, but in the front court as it stands without Cliff we (a) lose no players (presumably) and (b) add Javonte Brown Ferguson and Springs.

Now, we aren't permitted to speculate, but in order to add Cliff somebody has to not come back. If that somebody currently plays at the 4 or 5, then the crunch is lessened.

I'm not saying you don't take Cliff if we can get him, of course we do. I'm saying he may not like the situation, especially the two other bigs in his same class.
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The point is there isn't a crunch here. Every single program in the country has centers and power forwards. We happen to have bad ones and need to get better ones.
 
businesslawyer said:
If we ever get back to a 13 man roster -- as opposed to this year at 10, which after injuries seems to be all we've had for the last few years -- then you have some players who aren't going to be in a regular rotation. And they either live with it or leave. If Whaley is starved for minutes next year, is that really a bad thing? We have no idea that Springs will be ready to help the team next year, as opposed to down the road. Same with Javonte Brown Ferguson. There are minutes for Carlton, Akok and Cliff as the two bigs. That will largely eliminate the minutes for our other bigs but we don't have any other bigs that that have earned Big East level minutes.

And if players take Carlton's minutes, great. That means we'll be better inside next year.
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I'm in complete agreement. I'm simply saying that Cliff may not view it that way. He might see Springs and Javonte Brown Ferguson as legit threats to the minutes available. Springs also has a year practicing with the team. Javonte Brown Ferguson is young but has some talent. Akok is obviously going to play a lot. I think we all expect Whaley to be a DNP most of the time.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I'm in complete agreement. I'm simply saying that Cliff may not view it that way. He might see Springs and Javonte Brown Ferguson as legit threats to the minutes available. Springs also has a year practicing with the team. Javonte Brown Ferguson is young but has some talent. Akok is obviously going to play a lot. I think we all expect Whaley to be a DNP most of the time.
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Yes this is what I’ve been trying to explain my past few posts. People need to stop saying that Carlton and Ferguson won’t be seen as competition to Omoruyi because they will be.
 
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JimHurley said:
Yes this is what I’ve been trying to explain my past few posts. People need to stop saying that Carlton and Ferguson won’t be seen as competition to Omoruyi because they will be.
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.... AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE! CUZ @JimHurley SAID SO!
 
JimHurley said:
Staff is pushing hard but still very, very outside chance. I’m telling ya guys you’re underestimating the effect of us essentially already having penciled in a starting C next year with another high potential C coming in. All of these other programs other than Kentucky would give him immediate minutes.
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Minutes are not a problem here for Cliff.
 
Chief, whats the current read on the situation? Engineering program really an element here?

We in top 3 currently? legitimate shot or pipedream?
 
Nebraskan18 said:
Can someone point me to where @BFieldHusky said we are in good position with a big fish? I can't find it
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Unless something else is going on in DMs, I think this is what people are referring to:

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HuskyHawk said:
Yes, sure. But we theoretically have Carlton, Javonte Brown Ferguson, Whaley, Springs, Akok and Cliff who can all only play 4-5. Somebody would have to go. Akok needs a lot of minutes.
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Is there a conversation with Whaley after season on lack of playing time for him next season? Seems like a waste of a scholarship going into next year. Has to be a common ground on what’s best for program and player.
 
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I think most legit NBA prospects aren't afraid of finding minutes. If anything they welcome being on a team where they have help. I doubt he wants to go somewhere he needs to play 37 minutes for the team to win.

If he's legit (as it appears) he'll get his minutes at UConn regardless of who's on the roster.
 
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Your nuts..Carlton may not be Okafor but he the closest we have to him...Cliff is not anywhere near Carlton now. He may be better in long run but not next year!
 
ARIDE said:
Your nuts..Carlton may not be Okafor but he the closest we have to him...Cliff is not anywhere near Carlton now. He may be better in long run but not next year!
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I mean, there are no guarantees, but I would be surprised if Hurley saw it that way. Cliff is an instant impact player in college, based on his game, athleticism, and body. Carlton has been getting worked. If he doesn't get his act together before the start of next season, Cliff will definitely be ahead of him, assuming he comes here.
 
ARIDE said:
Your nuts..Carlton may not be Okafor but he the closest we have to him...Cliff is not anywhere near Carlton now. He may be better in long run but not next year!
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I disagree.

Josh is a great kid. He's given this program his all. On senior night, I'm standing up and cheering my az off for him.

But his future is not in basketball.

The difference in speed and quickness between him and the centers he will be facing next year is simply too great.

Cliff, even with freshman warts and all, will have a better chance of competing.
 
ARIDE said:
Your nuts..Carlton may not be Okafor but he the closest we have to him...Cliff is not anywhere near Carlton now. He may be better in long run but not next year!
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Um...no. With a caveat. Josh would be great on certain very slow, half-court terms. Maybe some Ivy league or similar. Hurley's offense and defense require him to do things that he simply can't do. He has nice, old school back to the basket moves, and on the right team could be really useful. For us he's currently a boat anchor.
 
CallMeBruce said:
I mean, there are no guarantees, but I would be surprised if Hurley saw it that way. Cliff is an instant impact player in college, based on his game, athleticism, and body. Carlton has been getting worked. If he doesn't get his act together before the start of next season, Cliff will definitely be ahead of him, assuming he comes here.
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- Lower +/- than Whaley
- 2nd to last in WS/Min
- 2nd to last in BPM
- 2 games with a positive offensive rating out of 16
- 49% TS

It's been a brutal year for him. Hurley should not commit to him being the starter again if we can avoid it.
 
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Zarkotics said:
Can you imagine having him and Akok to anchor the backline of the defense? Geez let that sink in...block city!!
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The t-shirts print themselves
 
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