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This is tame. You really want to heat things up, start up that age old Enosch Wolf vs Justin Brown argument. It's a battle as old as time that really gets a bee in everyones bonnet.
 
You want as many CV’s in the program as you can get. Guys that care about winning games, guys with some fight in them, guus willing to battle - may not win them all but with guys like that you've got a chance.

We’ve got guys in a college program (different sport and different division) where im an assistant that could care less about W’s and L’s. They care more about where we eating after the game than the game itself. Im a new coach there two years and changing culture is extremely difficult. I told them the other day you should say “sandwiches” instrad of “family” when you break a huddle - its more appropriate.

Sorry i digress - slipped into a therapy session for a moment.
 
Crank said:
Do you view all people who disagree with you as silly? Or just the ones here?
Rashad was, basically, a one-trick pony. He was masterful at that one trick. And it worked exactly when we needed it to. But Rashad had serious deficiencies in his game that were covered up by the fact that he played with wall to wall studs.

But Rashad is a hero (mine too!), and it's impossible to get "non-silly" people to objectively assess their heroes! Enjoy!
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We don't know what he could have become were he forced to be the man, especially early in his career. He probably would have looked like a totally different player.

I was busting his chops earlier in the thread a little, but that was in comparison to his NBA teammates.

He had more tools to work with than CV. His role was just different.
 
superjohn said:
I used to think there was better basketball talk here than the other college bball boards, that's definitely changed.
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It's hard to have quality basketball talk when there's such a poor product on the floor. I think the level of discussion will be raised as the product on the floor becomes better. Some good posters don't feel like participating when it's such a mess, while on top of that, dealing with 3/4 of the people bitching.
 
superjohn said:
It's a dumb comparison, Vital isn't good enough to play on those teams. Rashad was a starter and played the role of knock down shooter, championship winning teams often have guys who fill roles and are great at those roles. Vital is a jack of all trades player for the worst stretch at UConn in 35 years. He plays hard but he was never meant to start at a program like UConn and it shows how far we've fallen.
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Rashad never played more than 25.6 minutes per game and in his senior year he started exactly zero games. In no season did he start more than 15. It wasn't like he was losing his starting position to an NBA player either, Denham Brown generally started over Rashad all four years, and played more minutes. Denham was a very mechanical player with no chance at the NBA. I don't get the Rashad love in this thread.
 
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intlzncster said:
It's hard to have quality basketball talk when there's such a poor product on the floor. I think the level of discussion will be raised as the product on the floor becomes better. Some good posters don't feel like participating when it's such a mess, while on top of that, dealing with 3/4 of the people bitching.
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So you’re saying it’s KO’s fault?
 
Christian has gotten better each year with the most notable improvement being this past year with Hurley and his staff. I'll wager that next year he will be even better. He has definitely shown the ability to visibly improve his overall playing year to year, individually and in team play, and even his decision making on the floor, although not without fault, has improved dramatically. If Christian tightens his handle, works on his midrange scoring, and moving without the ball, he will be even more effective and be a Vital part of our offense next season (see what I did there). I for one am seriously enthused that CV is returning, bringing his senior leadership, solid guard play, and lead by example effort to the 2019-2020 UConn Huskies. CV will help us win games next year.

No doubt about it.
 
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pj said:
Rashad never played more than 25.6 minutes per game and in his senior year he started exactly zero games. In no season did he start more than 15. It wasn't like he was losing his starting position to an NBA player either, Denham Brown started over Rashad in his senior year, Denham was a very mechanical player with no chance at the NBA. I don't get the Rashad love in this thread.
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Oh boy....Do you think Christian is better than Denham? Do you think Christian has a chance at the NBA?

Rashad's senior year he was the second leading scorer on a team with 5 players who played in the NBA.
 
Fishy said:
Denham and Rashad were both better players than Vital. Vital would not have seen the court on those UConn teams.

Back to the original post....how do we know Christian wasn’t talking about cleaning his dorm room or finishing a project or reorganizing his sock drawer?

Don’t follow these players on social media.
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I never said he would.
 
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superjohn said:
Oh boy....Do you think Christian is better than Denham? Do you think Christian has a chance at the NBA?

Rashad's senior year he was the second leading scorer on a team with 5 players who played in the NBA.
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If it were between the dagger and the sniper I would take the sniper all day.

Comparison by stats CV has a better career than Rashad. But he did play more minutes @ 30 vs 20 per game.

AVGPTS FG% FT% RB% CV leads although he is more foul prone.

I’m happy CV is hanging around. He is our grit while Alterique is our leader.

Idk if Hurley is picking Captains next year but if he goes I hope he gives the keys to CV, AG and Carlton if he’s up to it.
 
The CV argument that he’s better due to stats is like saying Jimmer is better than Kemba because Jimmer has better China stats than Kemba in the NBA. The league/talent desparity is pretty obvious compared to the minor statistical difference
 
superjohn said:
Oh boy....Do you think Christian is better than Denham? Do you think Christian has a chance at the NBA?

Rashad's senior year he was the second leading scorer on a team with 5 players who played in the NBA.
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I didn't say Christian was better than Denham, and I said that Christian would not play in the NBA -- but that I wished he had a handle and better court vision, because if he could dribble and create for others then he would have a chance to play in the NBA.

As for Rashad's senior year, he had 15% of the team's points taking 17% of the shots. The only reason he got so many shots and points is that the team had a terrible dearth of guards -- Marcus Williams, Denham Brown, and Rashad, then a freshman Craig Austrie. The 5 players who played in the NBA were Marcus and four frontcourt players (Rudy Gay, Josh Boone, Hilton Armstrong, and Jeff Adrien). The bottom line is that team had NBA players at every position except Rashad's, and no outside shooters except Rashad. And the lack of a backup point guard or any real guard skills apart from shooting at the off guard is what killed that team against George Mason.

CV is no ball handler, but he would have improved that team substantially.
 
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tzznandrew said:
Denham Brown was selected with the 40th pick of the 2006 draft.
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And waived after two preseason games, never playing in an NBA game. Eight players taken in the second round that year never played an NBA game. Six others played in 30 games or less. Being a 2nd round NBA draft pick is now guarantee of ability to play in the NBA.
 
Both good players. RA had more memorable shots on a better team playing better comp. But imo CV is a better all round player and hopefully he’ll have one more season to prove it. But I would probably comp him against Albert Mouring rather than RA
 
pj said:
I didn't say Christian was better than Denham, and I said that Christian would not play in the NBA -- but that I wished he had a handle and better court vision, because if he could dribble and create for others then he would have a chance to play in the NBA.

As for Rashad's senior year, he had 15% of the team's points taking 17% of the shots. The only reason he got so many shots and points is that the team had a terrible dearth of guards -- Marcus Williams, Denham Brown, and Rashad, then a freshman Craig Austrie. The 5 players who played in the NBA were Marcus and four frontcourt players (Rudy Gay, Josh Boone, Hilton Armstrong, and Jeff Adrien). The bottom line is that team had NBA players at every position except Rashad's, and no outside shooters except Rashad. And the lack of a backup point guard or any real guard skills apart from shooting at the off guard is what killed that team against George Mason.
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I can only respond to what you post. You brought up Denham to say he was a very mechanical player with no chance at the NBA even though Denham was drafted 40th. You seemed to bring this up as a way of saying that Rashad wasn't good because he couldn't start over Denham despite Rashad being the second leading scorer on a team that had 5 players play in the NBA. What was the point of this post?
pj said:
Rashad never played more than 25.6 minutes per game and in his senior year he started exactly zero games. In no season did he start more than 15. It wasn't like he was losing his starting position to an NBA player either, Denham Brown generally started over Rashad all four years, and played more minutes. Denham was a very mechanical player with no chance at the NBA. I don't get the Rashad love in this thread.
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lange10 said:
In one year under Hurley’s tutelage he made significant strides. I wouldn’t be shocked if CV received some third team all AAC consideration next year. He’s not Denham Brown, but he’s better than most give him credit for.
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In fairness, who among us has ever scored 111 points in a Toronto high school basketball game?
 
lange10 said:
In one year under Hurley’s tutelage he made significant strides. I wouldn’t be shocked if CV received some third team all AAC consideration next year. He’s not Denham Brown, but he’s better than most give him credit for.
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I wasn't referring to CV himself. Just the overall team product. The last few years have been tough to watch, with a noticeable uptick happening last year. We're moving towards watchable basketball. The more watchable basketball, the better the discussions. jmo
 
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