Chol Machot?

[Arod18]

Do we know of any visits lined up yet for anybody? Just seems to have gone cold in that sense

 

[JustbrewitMan]

This guy was battling the likes of Stoneybrook all year and has a negative offensive BPR, which is hard to do. Couple that with the physicality of the Big East with his stature and I think we can do better even at backup.

Of course "we could do better".

But he actually played serviceable on both O and D vs KenPom 100-ish range teams.

His offensive BPR is barely negative. This just means his offense is "average D1 level". It's actually not hard have a BPR in that range if you actually understand BPR.

The majority of D1 players are going to cluster around the 1 to -1 range.

 

[king conn]

Of course "we could do better".

But he actually played serviceable on both O and D vs KenPom 100-ish range teams.

His offensive BPR is barely negative. This just means his offense is "average D1 level". It's actually not hard have a BPR in that range if you actually understand BPR.

The majority of D1 players are going to cluster around the 1 to -1 range.

That's because the majority of players are lower end players. There are 350 teams. We play at a whole other level, the elite. If we are going to take players from these levels that are going to play meaningful minutes and try and contend for championships, they should at least stand out on both ends of the court. He actually was their 2nd best center on the team. His defensive number wasn't anything to write home about either.

 

[Marat]

Do we know of any visits lined up yet for anybody? Just seems to have gone cold in that sense

One way we know if someone takes a photo of Hurley and recruit having a meal.

 

[Chief00]

I like centers who like to dunk. You also can’t teach or coach height. I like as a developmental pickup, who may have a high ceiling.

 

[Samoo]

The internet says he’s Manute Bol’s kid. Anyone know if that’s true? I’d take him for sure, but temper expectations, people. Ajou Ajou Deng, Ater Majok, Akok Akok … our track record with Sudanese kids is a lot of hype with disappointing results.

Well, if the Internet said it, it must be true...

 

[boog204]

This guy was battling the likes of Stoneybrook all year and has a negative offensive BPR, which is hard to do. Couple that with the physicality of the Big East with his stature and I think we can do better even at backup.

But why would someone better come here? We’re not going to pay someone millions to be a backup. And that player is not going to turn down millions to play 15-20mpg (see Reibe, Eric and Stewart, Jaylen) UConn may be the best program in America, with the best coach and staff, but players want to get paid now, get minutes, and turn this into a career. I really think for most of them that matters more than contending for a championship. Anyone thinking we’re going to stock our bench with top guys is missing the point.

 

[Mazhude]

On3’s senior national recruiting analyst Jamie Shaw reported the Huskies are one of several teams linked to former Charleston Cougars center Chol Machot. “I am told that Machot will visit Georgetown on Tuesday, will host Zoom meetings with UConn and Syracuse this week, and is in the process of working on a date with Virginia Tech,” Shaw wrote.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

That's because the majority of players are lower end players. There are 350 teams. We play at a whole other level, the elite. If we are going to take players from these levels that are going to play meaningful minutes and try and contend for championships, they should at least stand out on both ends of the court. He actually was their 2nd best center on the team. His defensive number wasn't anything to write home about either.

The majority of players are average players. It's Stats 101.

Yes, we are an elite team and we need to try and have elite starters to stay elite.

Our Bench players don't have to all be 5* players. Or even 4* players. They need to be able to succeed in our offense and defense systems. C of C's starting center was a former Duke commit who transferred to Clemson, then landed at C of C. He clearly wants starter minutes on a higher-profile team. That's not what we're likely to get.

Once again, C of C played a bunch of KP teams in the 100-ish range. And this kid looked pretty good versus them.

If Hurley and Co. think he's a great culture fit, has potential to improve in our system as a sophomore, and can get him at an affordable price, then I'm all-in on Chol.

 

[Hoophound]

This guy was battling the likes of Stoneybrook all year and has a negative offensive BPR, which is hard to do. Couple that with the physicality of the Big East with his stature and I think we can do better even at backup.

I like the to see what guys can do within our system. It makes people better and accentuates their talents in many cases. This is particularly true on defense where a guy like that can really show off his ability to disrupt shots both one on one and coming from the weak side. He’s just that prototypical Samson Johnson type, long, lean, rim runner. Having good hands, long arms and some athleticism is really all that’s needed to help us exponentially and he’s got tons of that going for him. I view him as a kid who might actually be better here than he was at Charleston.

 

[king conn]

The majority of players are average players. It's Stats 101.

Yes, we are an elite team and we need to try and have elite starters to stay elite.

Our Bench players don't have to all be 5* players. Or even 4* players. They need to be able to succeed in our offense and defense systems. C of C's starting center was a former Duke commit who transferred to Clemson, then landed at C of C. He clearly wants starter minutes on a higher-profile team. That's not what we're likely to get.

Once again, C of C played a bunch of KP teams in the 100-ish range. And this kid looked pretty good versus them.

If Hurley and Co. think he's a great culture fit, has potential to improve in our system as a sophomore, and can get him at an affordable price, then I'm all-in on Chol.

Stats 101? The average is just an average, not a majority. I can give you 20 different numbers and give you an average.

I can also give you 20 players that can't dribble a basketball with a rating that corresponds to that, and then 80 elite players and average them together. What will the average number say? That those 20 players can all of a sudden dribble a basketball. Their rating gets pushed up by the averages. I know it's an extreme example, but you look at full context. If we were a program that was overall top level and is happy making the ncaa's more often than not, he might be an addition you could look into and develop. But we are in position for something greater.

Nobody is looking at high school ratings, just someone who can fill the role based on his play now. He played in the CAA and would be going to the Big East, a physical league day in and day out. Not just a one off or two game against a top 100 team.

 

[nomar]

Do we know of any visits lined up yet for anybody? Just seems to have gone cold in that sense

We can safely assume the staff has its targets. And it seems that when the staff is really interested in players, it holds interviews with them, and then if it's basically a done deal or the staff really needs to make a push, the kid will visit. So it's not like traditional HS recruiting where everybody gets a visit if there's even lukewarm interest.

We know the staff isn't sitting on his hands, so I expect that when we hear about a visit, we'll know the staff is laser-focused on landing the player.

 

[Arod18]

We can safely assume the staff has its targets. And it seems that when the staff is really interested in players, it holds interviews with them, and then if it's basically a done deal or the staff really needs to make a push, the kid will visit. So it's not like traditional HS recruiting where everybody gets a visit if there's even lukewarm interest.

We know the staff isn't sitting on his hands, so I expect that when we hear about a visit, we'll know the staff is laser-focused on landing the player.

That I know what I’m asking if we know of any visits lined up. The hit rate is high when a kid comes in. Right now it’s just speculation of who we may be interested in. Until there’s a visit lined up its really just speculation who they are interested in

 

[JustbrewitMan]

Stats 101? The average is just an average, not a majority. I can give you 20 different numbers and give you an average.

I can also give you 20 players that can't dribble a basketball with a rating that corresponds to that, and then 80 elite players and average them together. What will the average number say? That those 20 players can all of a sudden dribble a basketball. Their rating gets pushed up by the averages. I know it's an extreme example, but you look at full context. If we were a program that was overall top level and is happy making the ncaa's more often than not, he might be an addition you could look into and develop. But we are in position for something greater.

Nobody is looking at high school ratings, just someone who can fill the role based on his play now. He played in the CAA and would be going to the Big East, a physical league day in and day out. Not just a one off or two game against a top 100 team.

You know what I meant. The majority of players (~70%) are going to cluster around the "prototypical average" player type based on whatever metric you're using: Points Scored, Rebounds, BPR, etc. That 70% is one standard deviation from the mean, to be exact. Then there will be outliers in either direction that represent the elite and "bad" players in that sample of D1 players.

I guess I oversimplified it for you.

I guess all these elite-level teams scheduling interviews and visits with CAA players are just getting flat-out suckered by these inferior conference CAA players.

C of C played at least half their games against KP 150 or better teams. So average, or better-than-average teams. Not a "one off" game or two.

 

[king conn]

You know what I meant. The majority of players (~70%) are going to cluster around the "prototypical average" player type based on whatever metric you're using: Points Scored, Rebounds, BPR, etc. That 70% is one standard deviation from the mean, to be exact. Then there will be outliers in either direction that represent the elite and "bad" players in that sample of D1 players.

I guess I oversimplified it for you.

I guess all these elite-level teams scheduling interviews and visits with CAA players are just getting flat-out suckered by these inferior conference CAA players.

C of C played at least half their games against KP 150 or better teams. So average, or better-than-average teams. Not a "one off" game or two.

No, I had to simplify it for you. Now that you've had the time to look that up, there are certainly differences within that 70% rather than imply they are the same player

Then your response was to move your own goalpost from kp 100 to kp 150 and then mention other players, not the one we are talking about. And be nasty about it? That's gall. Who are those players and what are their BPR'S? Cruz Davis? His BPR is almost 4 times higher than Machot, that's exactly what I've been saying, the player should show signs that he can compete at the highest level. We are talking about a guy with low BPR in the CAA and a physical profile that suggests he would have trouble at the highest level.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

No, I had to simplify it for you. Now that you've had the time to look that up, there are certainly differences within that 70% rather than imply they are the same player

Then your response was to move your own goalpost from kp 100 to kp 150 and then mention other players, not the one we are talking about. And be nasty about it? That's gall. Who are those players and what are their BPR'S? Cruz Davis? His BPR is almost 4 times higher than Machot, that's exactly what I've been saying, the player should show signs that he can compete at the highest level. We are talking about a guy with low BPR in the CAA and a physical profile that suggests he would have trouble at the highest level.

I do research stats for a living, my dude. I didn’t have to look up anything.

I mentioned KP 150 in my reply because with ~360 D1 teams, anything <150 is an “above average” team. Stony brook is a KP229 team, welll below average. You implied that was the caliber of team they played except for a couple.

Look at what BPR means. The real-life per-game difference between a player with a BPR of 1.3 (Machot) and a BPR of 4.22 (Davis) is fairly inconsequential.

And when you factor in one is a G and the other a C, it becomes even less relevant of a metric.

I’m more annoyed at BPR than you, trust me.

And trust this staff to find the right players for the roster spots they’re looking to fill.

I guarantee they are smarter than both of us 🙂

 

[king conn]

I do research stats for a living, my dude. I didn’t have to look up anything.

I mentioned KP 150 in my reply because with ~360 D1 teams, anything <150 is an “above average” team. Stony brook is a KP229 team, welll below average. You implied that was the caliber of team they played except for a couple.

Look at what BPR means. The real-life per-game difference between a player with a BPR of 1.3 (Machot) and a BPR of 4.22 (Davis) is fairly inconsequential.

And when you factor in one is a G and the other a C, it becomes even less relevant of a metric.

I’m more annoyed at BPR than you, trust me.

And trust this staff to find the right players for the roster spots they’re looking to fill.

I guarantee they are smarter than both of us 🙂

Well it looks like we've been wasting our time anyway, Hurley has another C in for a visit and he usually gets his man!

 

[JustbrewitMan]

Well it looks like we've been wasting our time anyway, Hurley has another C in for a visit and he usually gets his man!

Saw that, will be interesting to see if we also end up bringing in Machot. We move quick so probably will have a good idea in 24-48h.

 

[king conn]

Saw that, will be interesting to see if we also end up bringing in Machot. We move quick so probably will have a good idea in 24-48h.

We do have plenty of roster spots. Anyone interested in Hurley and UConn is serious about BB and may buy in to a year of development/ low minutes if needed against going to the highest bidder

 

[Son of Robert]

Saw that, will be interesting to see if we also end up bringing in Machot. We move quick so probably will have a good idea in 24-48h.

That would really fill us out in the frontcourt.

 

[boog204]

We do have plenty of roster spots. Anyone interested in Hurley and UConn is serious about BB and may buy in to a year of development/ low minutes if needed against going to the highest bidder

Why would someone do that? Big picture.... Machot is apparently talking to GTown, Cuse, and VA Tech. I'd presume he's the instant starter at all three and probably getting stupid $$. If he came here, with Giltay, mind you, he's probably a 10-15mpg guy at most and coming off the bench making less $$. I'd imagine he'd also risk being recruited over almost immediately. Guys playing to win championships means less and less, and it's more about getting time and $$. And I don't blame them in the slightest. Machot goes to GTown, plays out, then portals next year to Kentucky, who gives him 1.4 billion dollars because they're desperate? I doubt that's happening if he's part of a three-man center rotation here.

I'd love both guys. I'd love 12 awesome, viable players on scholly. It just doesn't seem to make sense from the player's perspective anymore.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

Why would someone do that? Big picture.... Machot is apparently talking to GTown, Cuse, and VA Tech. I'd presume he's the instant starter at all three and probably getting stupid $$. If he came here, with Giltay, mind you, he's probably a 10-15mpg guy at most and coming off the bench making less $$. I'd imagine he'd also risk being recruited over almost immediately. Guys playing to win championships means less and less, and it's more about getting time and $$. And I don't blame them in the slightest. Machot goes to GTown, plays out, then portals next year to Kentucky, who gives him 1.4 billion dollars because they're desperate? I doubt that's happening if he's part of a three-man center rotation here.

I'd love both guys. I'd love 12 awesome, viable players on scholly. It just doesn't seem to make sense from the player's perspective anymore.

It's almost like NIL and the transfer portal, in their current incarnations, are ruining CBB.

 

[Fishy]

We can safely assume the staff has its targets. And it seems that when the staff is really interested in players, it holds interviews with them, and then if it's basically a done deal or the staff really needs to make a push, the kid will visit. So it's not like traditional HS recruiting where everybody gets a visit if there's even lukewarm interest.

We know the staff isn't sitting on his hands, so I expect that when we hear about a visit, we'll know the staff is laser-focused on landing the player.

We didn’t even know the Nik was on the radar until someone saw him eating dinner with Chief at the UConn dining hall.

Hurley and co are so good at keep stuff close to the vest that it barely makes any sense to try to find names.

 

[king conn]

Why would someone do that? Big picture.... Machot is apparently talking to GTown, Cuse, and VA Tech. I'd presume he's the instant starter at all three and probably getting stupid $$. If he came here, with Giltay, mind you, he's probably a 10-15mpg guy at most and coming off the bench making less $$. I'd imagine he'd also risk being recruited over almost immediately. Guys playing to win championships means less and less, and it's more about getting time and $$. And I don't blame them in the slightest. Machot goes to GTown, plays out, then portals next year to Kentucky, who gives him 1.4 billion dollars because they're desperate? I doubt that's happening if he's part of a three-man center rotation here.

I'd love both guys. I'd love 12 awesome, viable players on scholly. It just doesn't seem to make sense from the player's perspective anymore.

Maybe they see our staff developing them more than those other in and out schools and they want to get to the league?

The exposure they would get on the big stage that comes with that?

I don't know, all I saw here whenever someone implied that Mullins may come back next year was that same response, " why would someone do that ". Yet here he is.

 

[Fishy]

Why would someone do that? Big picture.... Machot is apparently talking to GTown, Cuse, and VA Tech. I'd presume he's the instant starter at all three and probably getting stupid $$. If he came here, with Giltay, mind you, he's probably a 10-15mpg guy at most and coming off the bench making less $$. I'd imagine he'd also risk being recruited over almost immediately. Guys playing to win championships means less and less, and it's more about getting time and $$. And I don't blame them in the slightest. Machot goes to GTown, plays out, then portals next year to Kentucky, who gives him 1.4 billion dollars because they're desperate? I doubt that's happening if he's part of a three-man center rotation here.

I'd love both guys. I'd love 12 awesome, viable players on scholly. It just doesn't seem to make sense from the player's perspective anymore.

You gotta take a step back.

A player is only worth what he’s worth. Chol Machot is not going to go somewhere for a massive amount of money because he’s not worth a massive amount of money. He’s 22, raw as hell and not ready to be a starter on a high major team. If he starts for Syracuse, someone is getting fired next March.

He wasn’t a starter at Charleston at the end of last season or even at the JUCO he played at the year prior.

People need to chill.

 

[Uconn77Duke74]

I'm not sure what we really think we need at backup C to win a NC but we just almost won the Championship with Reibe's last 4 tourney games giving us a total of 24 Minutes, 5 fouls 2 points and 2 Boards. That's only 2 boards and 2 points more than any random boneyarder could provide.

 

[Marat]

I'm not sure what we really think we need at backup C to win a NC but we just almost won the Championship with Reibe's last 4 tourney games giving us a total of 24 Minutes, 5 fouls 2 points and 2 Boards. That's only 2 boards and 2 points more than any random boneyarder could provide.

We didn't need a backup Center in the tourney because :
1. Reed was healthy
2. Reed stayed out of foul trouble
3. Reed was superman

 

[superjohn]

You gotta take a step back.

A player is only worth what he’s worth. Chol Machot is not going to go somewhere for a massive amount of money because he’s not worth a massive amount of money. He’s 22, raw as hell and not ready to be a starter on a high major team. If he starts for Syracuse, someone is getting fired next March.

He wasn’t a starter at Charleston at the end of last season or even at the JUCO he played at the year prior.

People need to chill.

And Oskar Giltay was averaging under 12 minutes per game with 2 pts and 2 rebs at the end of last season for a team that loat first round in The Crown.

 

[Fishy]

And Oskar Giltay was averaging under 12 minutes per game with 2 pts and 2 rebs at the end of last season for a team that loat first round in The Crown.

And the point is?

 

[superjohn]

I'm not sure what we really think we need at backup C to win a NC but we just almost won the Championship with Reibe's last 4 tourney games giving us a total of 24 Minutes, 5 fouls 2 points and 2 Boards. That's only 2 boards and 2 points more than any random boneyarder could provide.

Look at what Reibe did during the season to get us a #2 seed in the NCAA tournament. We all could see he quietly quit at the end of the season and Tarris was the best big man in the country at the end of the season.