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Charlie Cream's Latest Bracketology - UCONN # 3 Seed In Greenville # 2

Today the PAC-12 starts it's Women's tournament here in Vegas, the first of 5 separate conferences, for both the Men's and Women's tournaments. The tournaments are being held in venues around the Vegas valley. They have two weeks of basketball both Men's and Women's, it's just the beginning with the casinos hosting March Madness from today through the first wee of April. Listed below are the conferences.

Big West Conference
Mountain West Conference
PAC-12 Conference
West Coast Conference
Western Athletic Conference
 
MSGRET said:
Today the PAC-12 starts it's Women's tournament here in Vegas, the first of 5 separate conferences, for both the Men's and Women's tournaments. The tournaments are being held in venues around the Vegas valley. They have two weeks of basketball both Men's and Women's, it's just the beginning with the casinos hosting March Madness from today through the first wee of April. Listed below are the conferences.

Big West Conference
Mountain West Conference
PAC-12 Conference
West Coast Conference
Western Athletic Conference
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I know the saying April showers bring May flowers, but I meant to say WEEK.:oops:
 
Tonyc said:
Gotta disagree a little. LSU has played a very weak schedule and the SEC is not as tuff as it has been in the past. My point is the polls are silly and I was using LSU as an example to those fans who were complaining about LSUs ranking and weak SOS.
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I have to agree. I watched the SEC games yesterday and after SC, which destroyed LSU, I don’t see any team going very far in the ncaa tourney. LSU is still an unknown to me. I’d like to see what they can do vs Nova, Creighton and Marquette, teams I have seen much more of, to give me a better gauge.
 
"Upsets littered the calendar in conference tournaments on Thursday. For Florida State (now a No. 7), Alabama (a No. 9) and Mississippi State (a No. 10), the unexpected losses translated into losing a seed line. But Utah's stumble against Washington State in the Pac-12 quarterfinals was the most costly of them all. The Utes were the third overall team and a No. 1 seed. No more. Maryland is the beneficiary. The Terps jump to the No. 1 line before they even play their first game in the Big Ten tournament. Utah's path back to a No. 1 is unlikely unless Maryland and LSU both falter Friday."

Today's "update". No new teams in top 16, Maryland up to 1 seed, Utah down to #2, and a bunch of ping ponging region changes. Meh.
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I almost snorted coffee through my nose when I saw MD as a 1 seed. But on reflection it makes a sort of sense. Who else is better? Is there more disarray in the top 10 or so than usual this year?
 
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Bone Dog said:
I almost snorted coffee through my nose when I saw MD as a 1 seed. But on reflection it makes a sort of sense. Who else is better? Is there more disarray in the top 10 or so than usual this year?
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One of the ESPN announcers, maybe Carter, gave an opinion that MD deserved a 1 seed, so we'll see. I think there is going to be a lot more upsets this year, so perhaps I'll go through the futile exercise and actually do 25 brackets on ESPN to maybe (not) win some cash.
 
Right now, Indiana down 12 to MSU in 2Q. if this holds, there's another 1 seed to open up.
 
I would expect the number one seeds to be South Carolina (no matter what), the Big 10 champion (unless it's someone besides the big three of Indiana, Iowa, Maryland), Stanford (if they win the Pac-12), and ... someone else. That might be LSU if they make it to the SEC final and lose competitively (or win, obviously), Connecticut (if they show up Saturday at full strength and win the Big East convincingly), or possibly a second Big 10 team (if two of them stage an epic battle in the final like the Indiana-Iowa game from a few days back). I don't think Utah or any Big 10 team that loses today has a prayer at a 1 seed, unless the committee has stopped caring what happens in the conference championships.
 
Allow me to ask what may be silly question.

The only real issue I see in UConn's seeding is whether we end up in Greenville or the west coast. For obvious reasons,.I would rather be on the west coast.

But otherwise, is there any dramatic difference between a one seed and a 2 seed?

We can be beaten by anyone in the Top 20 this season for sure. But if there is a run in them and Azzi returns to full form miraculously, does anything much matter other than SC in SC?
 
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seeya27 said:
Allow me to ask what may be silly question.

The only real issue I see in UConn's seeding is whether we end up in Greenville or the west coast. For obvious reasons,.I would rather be on the west coast.

But otherwise, is there any dramatic difference between a one seed and a 2 seed?

We can be beaten by anyone in the Top 20 this season for sure. But if there is a run in them and Azzi returns to full form miraculously, does anything much matter other than SC in SC?
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Why the west coast? Greenville 1 winner and Greenville 2 winner won't play each other until the finals in Dallas.
 
shiverz45 said:
Why the west coast? Greenville 1 winner and Greenville 2 winner won't play each other until the finals in Dallas.
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Because Greenville will be filled with the South Carolina fans. You never want to be in an arena filled with one fans team unless you are the underdog.
 
"The Pac-12 has become the pivot point for No. 1 seeds and the top 16. Friday, Stanford became the second 1-seed from the Pac-12 in as many days to lose. But unlike Utah, the Cardinal hang onto their top seed. Stanford's credentials for a No. 1 seed are still there: a nation-best 15 top-50 NET wins, nine top-25 NET wins (which ranks second to UConn) and a strength of schedule that ranks third. And Utah and LSU -- the teams right behind the Cardinal -- don't yet have the résumé to supplant them. UCLA's win over Stanford also shook up the top 16. The Bruins move in and Colorado moves out after losing the day's final game to Washington State. Earlier Friday, a loss to Duke had temporarily dropped North Carolina outside the top 16. But the 4-seed Tar Heels got a reprieve when the Cougars stunned the Buffs."

An observation on twitter:
28-5 Stanford is a one seed <-----> 28-5 UConn is not a contender
Stanford's losses: 4 ranked at some point, one unranked. <---> UConn's losses: all once ranked.
They both have really good wins.
UConn has the most NET top-25 wins

Nothing like a few late night upsets to make you wanna update the brackets at 3 am, because clicks. UCLA back, CO out, a few region changes. CC says Stanford still a #1, Meh. I say put UConn anywhere at your peril. And, I hope the committee really looks at how teams are finishing as the NCAAT approaches.
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visitingcock said:
Why is it "sad" that Tennessee gets in out of 68 teams?

Five seed? That means they are around the 20th ranked team. The NET algorithm has them ranked 15th. Do I think they deserve that? No. But the system is set up for the NET to rank teams not for individuals like me or you to interject our biased (yes I have them) opinion to downgrade them (though I think the committee should use NET Quad one wins minus losses to downgrade them to around the mid thirties)
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Many UConn fans don’t really believe that the NET is THE final word you say. The Huskies had been NET #2 for most of the year even as they were ranked far lower by polls and seeded by Crème. It appears to be convenient to use the NET only for non-UConn teams
 
BRS24 said:
"The Pac-12 has become the pivot point for No. 1 seeds and the top 16. Friday, Stanford became the second 1-seed from the Pac-12 in as many days to lose. But unlike Utah, the Cardinal hang onto their top seed. Stanford's credentials for a No. 1 seed are still there: a nation-best 15 top-50 NET wins, nine top-25 NET wins (which ranks second to UConn) and a strength of schedule that ranks third. And Utah and LSU -- the teams right behind the Cardinal -- don't yet have the résumé to supplant them. UCLA's win over Stanford also shook up the top 16. The Bruins move in and Colorado moves out after losing the day's final game to Washington State. Earlier Friday, a loss to Duke had temporarily dropped North Carolina outside the top 16. But the 4-seed Tar Heels got a reprieve when the Cougars stunned the Buffs."

An observation on twitter:
28-5 Stanford is a one seed <-----> 28-5 UConn is not a contender
Stanford's losses: 4 ranked at some point, one unranked. <---> UConn's losses: all once ranked.
They both have really good wins.
UConn has the most NET top-25 wins

Nothing like a few late night upsets to make you wanna update the brackets at 3 am, because clicks. UCLA back, CO out, a few region changes. CC says Stanford still a #1, Meh. I say put UConn anywhere at your peril. And, I hope the committee really looks at how teams are finishing as the NCAAT approaches.
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As we always say... Charlie IS NOT the Committee... so I take little stock in his "predictions".
 
Well Utah and Stanford both lost. Lets see how the pollster gurus handle that. UConn will win the BET and I am very confident in that. You will see what some will consider a surprise today as many of our questions will be answered at 12:00 today.
 
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Topsail said:
We have to wait on two things before we can say this team has a shot at the final four, completion of the BET & AZZi s return. The recent play of this team has not been great to say the least. Maybe they can find their mojo before the NCAA with the big break in between tourneys. We also await the much needed addition of AZZi if that happens soon.
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Even with Azzi’s return, should she do so, UCONN still has to not only play, but win 4 NCAA tournament games. Right now, I’m concentrating on the BET.
 
BRS24 said:
"The Pac-12 has become the pivot point for No. 1 seeds and the top 16. Friday, Stanford became the second 1-seed from the Pac-12 in as many days to lose. But unlike Utah, the Cardinal hang onto their top seed. Stanford's credentials for a No. 1 seed are still there: a nation-best 15 top-50 NET wins, nine top-25 NET wins (which ranks second to UConn) and a strength of schedule that ranks third. And Utah and LSU -- the teams right behind the Cardinal -- don't yet have the résumé to supplant them. UCLA's win over Stanford also shook up the top 16. The Bruins move in and Colorado moves out after losing the day's final game to Washington State. Earlier Friday, a loss to Duke had temporarily dropped North Carolina outside the top 16. But the 4-seed Tar Heels got a reprieve when the Cougars stunned the Buffs."

An observation on twitter:
28-5 Stanford is a one seed <-----> 28-5 UConn is not a contender
Stanford's losses: 4 ranked at some point, one unranked. <---> UConn's losses: all once ranked.
They both have really good wins.
UConn has the most NET top-25 wins

Nothing like a few late night upsets to make you wanna update the brackets at 3 am, because clicks. UCLA back, CO out, a few region changes. CC says Stanford still a #1, Meh. I say put UConn anywhere at your peril. And, I hope the committee really looks at how teams are finishing as the NCAAT approaches.
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Pretty compelling numbers in the @BRSBrs, especially this early on a Saturday morning.
IF I had a chance to talk to Charlie, I would say:
"Charlie, you save something on your face..... ( then lean in for a better look, and continue...).. Oh, I'm sorry, it's just your anti-UCONN bias showing"

Go Huskies
 
HuskyNan said:
Many UConn fans don’t really believe that the NET is THE final word you say. The Huskies had been NET #2 for most of the year even as they were ranked far lower by polls and seeded by Crème. It appears to be convenient to use the NET only for non-UConn teams
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No. It is not the “final word” and I do not assert that. However, the NCAA has designated it as the guide and the selection committee and fans should not completely disregard it, The committee’s second reveal dropped UConn too far below the “guide” in my opinion. In that, I am in agreement with UConn fans.

Wins, losses and who you played SHOULD matter. I was stunned when Alexis Phillipou tweeted that the women’s committee doesn’t consider Quad records in seeding - like the men’s committee. UConn has played more Quad One teams than anybody and has a large number of Quad one wins over losses. In my opinion they deserve to be ranked above LSU who played few Quad One teams.

No, the NET is not the be all end all. And no, I do not think the NET rankings of Tennessee or Texas or Oregon etc. are justifiable. I was merely arguing that Tennessee is among the top 68 teams and worthy of a bid ( though a very low seed)

Speaking of bad NET rankings, look at Oklahoma. They are tied with Texas for the Big Ten title. They have the same number of conference wins and losses. They have more non-conference wins. Texas has a NET ranking of 11. Oklahoma is 40. Indeed, Iowa State, Oklahoma state, and Baylor are also ranked ahead of Oklahoma despite trailing them by two or more games in the conference.

I’m on my phone and in my car right now. So this is not the end of my rant. I’ll do a much longer one after this weekend (probably a dedicated thread) about my dissatisfaction with both the NET algorithm and the committee’s abuse of discretion in staring from the use of it,

Yes, UConn should be a 1 seed or, at worst, a two seed.
 
IMO, the only sure #1 seeds at this point are South Carolina and Indiana, no matter what happens the rest of the weekend. I'm having a really hard time looking at Stanford as a #1 seed after their loss, same with Utah. Both teams had chances to prove themselves worthy in the PAC tournament, and both lost. If Stanford is a 1 seed and UConn is a 3 seed, I'll have A LOT of questions for the committee. UConn has probably been ruled out as a 1 seed, but hard not to see them as at least a strong 2 seed if they win the BET and Azzi is back.

LSU is a weird one; based purely on their W-L record, they are an obvious #1, but their OOC schedule was so weak and the SEC is clearly down this year. I think the committee will do anything they can to keep LSU off the 1 line so as not to reward weak OOC play. The only way I think LSU ends up a 1 seed is if they beat South Carolina.

Maryland and Iowa probably each have a chance to grab a 1 seed if they win the B10 tournament.

Either way, there will be a LOT of conversations over the next week before the selection show.
 
CTGirl15 said:
IMO, the only sure #1 seeds at this point are South Carolina and Indiana, no matter what happens the rest of the weekend. I'm having a really hard time looking at Stanford as a #1 seed after their loss, same with Utah. Both teams had chances to prove themselves worthy in the PAC tournament, and both lost. If Stanford is a 1 seed and UConn is a 3 seed, I'll have A LOT of questions for the committee. UConn has probably been ruled out as a 1 seed, but hard not to see them as at least a strong 2 seed if they win the BET and Azzi is back.

LSU is a weird one; based purely on their W-L record, they are an obvious #1, but their OOC schedule was so weak and the SEC is clearly down this year. I think the committee will do anything they can to keep LSU off the 1 line so as not to reward weak OOC play. The only way I think LSU ends up a 1 seed is if they beat South Carolina.

Maryland and Iowa probably each have a chance to grab a 1 seed if they win the B10 tournament.

Either way, there will be a LOT of conversations over the next week before the selection show.
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I don’t see either Maryland or Iowa as a one seed.both have had 2 seed seasons thus far. I might see things differently after tomorrow but I doubt it,
 
visitingcock said:
I don’t see either Maryland or Iowa as a one seed.both have had 2 seed seasons thus far. I might see things differently after tomorrow but I doubt it,
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I think the only way either one gets one is if they win the tournament. Otherwise, both are probably 2 seeds.
 
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I really don't care what seed we end up as, it is all about the bracket that we have. I would rather be a 3 seed (we shouldn't be) and avoid SC, then be a 2 seed and have SC in elite 8 or something. Interesting to see how much Azzi being back affects our seeding as well.
 
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