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Call it what you will, (bad luck, bad mojo) but humans aren't machines and stuff happens. Went through four years of few significant (no season ending) injuries during the four straight NCAA championships. Some of the Huskies' opponents went through injury issues during those years. ND comes to mind. UConn had a rash of injuries in the early 2000's with Shea and Sveta. I don't think there is any rhyme or reason for it and there is no panacea to prevent it.
 
Ozimoto said:
Call it what you will, (bad luck, bad mojo) but humans aren't machines and stuff happens. Went through four years of few significant (no season ending) injuries during the four straight NCAA championships. Some of the Huskies' opponents went through injury issues during those years. ND comes to mind. UConn had a rash of injuries in the early 2000's with Shea and Sveta. I don't think there is any rhyme or reason for it and there is no panacea to prevent it.
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I have to disagree. Early 2000s, was more than 2 decades ago. Training, health, etc has changed dramatically. Do I think it's a conspiracy?
No, but calling it "bad luck, mojo etc, is not a reasonable explanation.
 
CTFIRERETIRED said:
I have to disagree. Early 2000s, was more than 2 decades ago. Training, health, etc has changed dramatically. Do I think it's a conspiracy?
No, but calling it "bad luck, mojo etc, is not a reasonable explanation.
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It's not unique to UConn. Remember a few years ago when ND lost 4 players to ACL injuries in one season? Look around WCBB... knee injuries abound. Geno thinks it has to do with the amount of stress from playing too much/year round which is where I'd put my money since that is the one thing that apparently has changed relatively recently in the women's game.
 
Redshirting due to ongoing concussion symptoms must be a first for the UConn program.
I guess that means Carol is making the team's history book.
I hope that she can complete her BB career without needing to apply for a 6th year medical hardship waiver.
 
I wonder what the next few months look like for her. Does she not touch a ball until September? Is she away from the team? Anyways wishing the best for her. One of my favorite players.
 
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I feel bad for her but she should not play basketball again till she's 100% recovered..if that means never to play again so be it..her furure is way more important than a game
 
CTFIRERETIRED said:
I have to disagree. Early 2000s, was more than 2 decades ago. Training, health, etc has changed dramatically. Do I think it's a conspiracy?
No, but calling it "bad luck, mojo etc, is not a reasonable explanation.
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Agreed. And people don't like to hear this. But this is beyond "bad luck" (even if there is such a thing). And "mojo", sure we have fun with it, but then there would really have to be basketball gods out there interfering in women's college basketball. And if you actually believe that, hmmmm.

So yes, there is something going on. And I hope UCONN looks into it. If the "best practices" aren't working for you, better look around. Or at least question the "best practices". It's gotta be something, it ain't nothing.
 
meyers7 said:
So yes, there is something going on. And I hope UCONN looks into it. If the "best practices" aren't working for you, better look around. Or at least question the "best practices". It's gotta be something, it ain't nothing.
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Geno has already stated that they have made changes. What more do you want them to do? No one can predict where and when an injury can happen. A friend of mine (who was in her early 20s!) stepped off a curb wrong one time. Broke her leg and ankle in multiple spots and had to have steel pins put in. Now factor in just simply playing the game of basketball.

Say for example, you're defending the basket and a player comes crashing into you while trying to drive to the basket/score a foul. Say you're stepping up to take a shot and you land wrong. It can and does happen all the time. Hell, even in sports were people wear lots of protective equipment there's still so many injuries -- look at how the NFL has been absolutely PLAGUED with injuries the past few years. And that's professionals! You play sports -- especially contact sports -- and injuries are going to happen.

Some get lucky and rarely if ever suffer any kind of injury. Others are not so lucky. Sometimes those who get injured once end up becoming more injury prone (particularly in the same area as the original injury).

The only way to ensure having no basketball injuries would be to stop playing basketball.
 
meyers7 said:
this is beyond "bad luck" (even if there is such a thing).
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You don't believe there is any such thing as bad luck? Chance? Happenstance?
How about things beyond ones control?
 
How is it the school's fault when Caroline was knocked in the head during multiple games? Maybe it was just a coincidence that she was hit so often. And I am guessing that the school was at fault when the flight to the Caymans encountered very bad turbulence, thus resulting in more damage to her neck.
The school or their best practices had nothing to do with Caroline's season ending injuries. You know, the player that this thread was discussing.
 
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maple said:
The only way to ensure having no basketball injuries would be to stop playing basketball.
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Many times the ACL injuries are non contact. Get it fixed and come back. CD’s problem is more complicated. Sometimes people have issues because it’s passed down or simply bad luck. Remember Casey Cochran? You don‘t want to see that happen again.
 
Channel 30 led into a commercial break with something like “another UConn women’s basketball player out for the season”. I was like NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! When they said it was Caroline, I was like well who didn’t already assume that?!
 
I believe it is for the best. It is better to err on the side of caution. Head injuries are unpredictable. She will have a whole year to get her self healthy. I still believe Caroline's best UConn basketball is ahead of her. I think she will come back for two more years and she will remind everyone why she was recruited to UConn in the first place. In the meantime I hope she has a productive, successful recovery and that she continues to support her Husky teammates as it is obvious that they love her and that she means a lot to them.
 
meyers7 said:
Agreed. And people don't like to hear this. But this is beyond "bad luck" (even if there is such a thing). And "mojo", sure we have fun with it, but then there would really have to be basketball gods out there interfering in women's college basketball. And if you actually believe that, hmmmm.

So yes, there is something going on. And I hope UCONN looks into it. If the "best practices" aren't working for you, better look around. Or at least question the "best practices". It's gotta be something, it ain't nothing.
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There are always a few teams that are going to have a run of injuries due simply to the way statistical randomness works. There’s no evidence whatsoever that it has anything to do with training or medical treatment. It bothers me when amateurs, who have no training or knowledge of the issues, make statements like that.
 
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ctbbfn said:
You don't believe there is any such thing as bad luck? Chance? Happenstance?
How about things beyond ones control?
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Well sure we say luck and chance and happenstance. But really, things happen because of some cause and effect. Fudd's knee didn't go because of "bad luck". It went because of...the way she took off, the way she landed, the way the ligaments twisted, too much torque, not enough muscle, too much muscle, hereditary......something. The point is it was something, not just "bad luck".

And even if one truly believes in bad/good luck that dictates what happens to us, this (the last couple of years) is way beyond "bad luck".
 
Centerstream said:
How is it the school's fault when Caroline was knocked in the head during multiple games? Maybe it was just a coincidence that she was hit so often. And I am guessing that the school was at fault when the flight to the Caymans encountered very bad turbulence, thus resulting in more damage to her neck.
The school or their best practices had nothing to do with Caroline's season ending injuries. You know, the player that this thread was discussing.
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I don't believe anyone said it was the schools fault. AND, you need to follow the thread when you are replying. (it veers sometimes - well probably more than sometimes) My "best practices" wasn't talking specifically about CFD or her head.
 
maple said:
Geno has already stated that they have made changes. What more do you want them to do? No one can predict where and when an injury can happen. A friend of mine (who was in her early 20s!) stepped off a curb wrong one time. Broke her leg and ankle in multiple spots and had to have steel pins put in. Now factor in just simply playing the game of basketball.

Say for example, you're defending the basket and a player comes crashing into you while trying to drive to the basket/score a foul. Say you're stepping up to take a shot and you land wrong. It can and does happen all the time. Hell, even in sports were people wear lots of protective equipment there's still so many injuries -- look at how the NFL has been absolutely PLAGUED with injuries the past few years. And that's professionals! You play sports -- especially contact sports -- and injuries are going to happen.

Some get lucky and rarely if ever suffer any kind of injury. Others are not so lucky. Sometimes those who get injured once end up becoming more injury prone (particularly in the same area as the original injury).

The only way to ensure having no basketball injuries would be to stop playing basketball.
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Well no one said there was a way to ensure no injuries. There's always going to be injuries. The idea is to prevent or work to prevent as many as possible. And if there are, improve recovery time. And having what 11 major injuries (i.e. players out for 1/2 to a full season) in the past 3 years isn't doing a very good job of it.

I mean if you were getting sick all of the time, you just gonna go "geez, bad luck". Or are you gonna go see a doctor and try to figure out what's going on? Make some changes if needed?

The idea is to have fewer injuries than most of the other programs in the nation..... not more.
 
meyers7 said:
I don't believe anyone said it was the schools fault. AND, you need to follow the thread when you are replying. (it veers sometimes - well probably more than sometimes) My "best practices" wasn't talking specifically about CFD or her head.
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AND I was trying to get the thread back to talking about Caroline, which is virtually impossible.
 
meyers7 said:
Well no one said there was a way to ensure no injuries. There's always going to be injuries. The idea is to prevent or work to prevent as many as possible. And if there are, improve recovery time. And having what 11 major injuries (i.e. players out for 1/2 to a full season) in the past 3 years isn't doing a very good job of it.

I mean if you were getting sick all of the time, you just gonna go "geez, bad luck". Or are you gonna go see a doctor and try to figure out what's going on? Make some changes if needed?

The idea is to have fewer injuries than most of the other programs in the nation..... not more.
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Some people tend to get sick (I'm talking colds/flu) more than others, even taking into account the same living conditions/age/health/etc. Sometimes it really is just the luck of the draw. And people who are immunocompromised DO take extra measures to protect themselves more than others and there's still no guarantee that they won't still get sick because of factors outside of their control.

Again, if you suffer an injury while playing basketball, you can do everything in your power to rest and recover and hopefully avoid re-injury in the future. But there is absolutely no way to guarantee for that you'll never be injured while playing again. You can take any number of steps to potentially reduce future injury, but the chances will always be there.

TCU literally had to take walk-on players because of a rash of injuries. We are not even remotely the only program in the US that has multiple injured players. It's only magnified here because it's UConn and this is a UConn board. And need I remind that we have had multiple years where UConn suffered minor to no injuries while other programs (like ND) had the worst injury luck.

Geno and Co. have done and will continue to do everything in their power to stave off injuries, I'm certain. The players and their parents will be doing everything possible. I don't know what else you want them to do. There is no program in the country that wants to see players go down -- whether they be D1 or D3 or competing for a title or not. Of course everyone everywhere is going to be trying to prevent injuries.
 
darrell said:
The right call. I’m hoping that Carol can take the next several months and focus solely on her recovery journey, can’t wait to have her back and, hopefully, healthier than ever next season.
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I hope to be wrong, but I don't think Caroline can or should play again. It seems to me that, even with a full season off, she can be thrown right back into her pain and disorientation with one blow to her head or body. To a player who has not had her run of consecutive concussions ( and other maladies ) many of the incidental blows during a game ( elbows, shoulders, the ball itself, had contact with the floor ) seem inconsequential, almost unnoticed. But with Caroline, a minor touch from the ball can set off chaos in her brain.

I fear that will remain the case. And you can't play this game without a lot of physical contact.
 
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pk1234 said:
Seems like clearly the right move, will be able to maintain her eligibility from this season as well. Best case scenario we get two more seasons of a healthy CD starting in 2024-25.
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Is there a significance to now declaring Caroline out for the season? Since apparently she sort of played in 4 games, was she or is she now a medical redshirt for 2023-2034? When someone suffers an injury that is not on any chart for diagnosis, treatment or cure, how is it determined that she will play in the future? How will her roster spot and scholarship be handled moving forward? There has been much conjecture and contemplation regarding the future for her, most of it coming from a lack of information (privacy, I guess}, and looks like we are in for more of the same.
 
ERWUC65 said:
Is there a significance to now declaring Caroline out for the season? Since apparently she sort of played in 4 games, was she or is she now a medical redshirt for 2023-2034? When someone suffers an injury that is not on any chart for diagnosis, treatment or cure, how is it determined that she will play in the future? How will her roster spot and scholarship be handled moving forward? There has been much conjecture and contemplation regarding the future for her, most of it coming from a lack of information (privacy, I guess}, and looks like we are in for more of the same.
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Closure for her, the team, fa,s, media, etc. Hopefully ends the incessant questions. Whatever happens next season, will happen next season. Lets the team focus on next game.
 
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