Can't figure out why Reed can't be Sanogo lite

[ucp990411]

Don’t overthink think this. Sanogo WANTED very much to be the best player he could be and worked harder than anyone to become that player. Reed? Without knowing him, I don’t think he has the motor needed.

 

[Candyman]

I disagree with alot of this. He works hard, just makes really bad fouls, which is on him. He's a beast on the boards. In his defense we do not run any post plays for him like we did Sanogo, and rarely try to find him when he posts up. Kalk is different as Sanogo could get his shot over Kalk while Reed is a more power player who will body you to get room for a shot. That doesn't work with Kalk or 7 foot shot blockers.

If we just let him post up and got him the ball most teams need to double, then he has to make the right pass. Not sure Hurley trusts him to do so.

 

[yungdowork]

Tarris has had 3 or more fouls in each of the last 9 games despite averaging just over 18 minutes a game in that span. For reference, that is more fouls than Samson in less minutes, despite Samson racking up 8 fouls in his last 19 minutes of basketball.

As a big guy, if you want post touches, a lot of the time you have to earn them. Firstly, by proving you can stay on the floor.

 

[REB1094]

Tarris has 2 years of some of the worst high major coaching in the country and 75% of a season of Dan Hurley coaching coming off the bench

Sanogo had 3 years of Dan Hurley coaching, almost exclusively as a starter and 2/3 of it as the featured part of the offense

Tarris will never be as good as Sanogo was because Sanogo had a 2 year head start. But I’d expect Tarris Reed to be HUGE for us next year

 

[uconnever]

I don’t think it’s the engine per se, more a lack of basketball IQ which isn’t ideal with the sets we run. Heck Danny all but said it in that behind the scenes look before the season saying Tarris is in La La Land half the time even during the team softball game.

Yes I have said on here that hes our best player if he can figure some things out, but I’ve noticed he’s been making even more mistakes lately. It’s definitely BBIQ. But I give him and Aidan time. I think they will be better and more sure of themselves next year. They both can be key pieces next year, this year it will be unpredictable with the both of them

 

[AllHusky]

Thanks Yard, thread was to be titled "The Five", don't know where it went.

The consensus from reading all your reponses is that Reed needs time, of which he has another 1.25 years.

The bottom line is that we need him now(or very soon). Hope he can engage and level up!

On to "The Hall".

 

[jibsey]

Don’t overthink think this. Sanogo WANTED very much to be the best player he could be and worked harder than anyone to become that player. Reed? Without knowing him, I don’t think he has the motor needed.

Sanigo had the best footwork around. That was coaching and work but it was also physical ability to do it.

 

[AllHusky]

Sanigo had the best footwork around. That was coaching and work but it was also physical ability to do it.

Offseason(doesn't help now), Tarris can drilled to death. Footwork drills with and without the ball, with and without a defender. Work until he falls down. He'll be the best he can be.

 

[B1GEast]

Give him time. You can't expect a guy to transfer in and pick up the nuances of a new offense especially when there have been several charges in the rotation, some due to injury.

I think next year will be when he blossoms.

 

[Get a Job]

Thanks Yard, thread was to be titled "The Five", don't know where it went.

The consensus from reading all your reponses is that Reed needs time, of which he has another 1.25 years.

The bottom line is that we need him now(or very soon). Hope he can engage and level up!

On to "The Hall".

I think @temery got a cease-and-desist letter from Fox News and changed the thread title

 

[AllHusky]

I think @temery got a cease-and-desist letter from Fox News and changed the thread title

Fox was on their game, or are you serious

 

[HuskyFich]

Who remembers our complaints during Sanogo's soph year?

-Never passes
-Stop fading away
-Assess before you dribble
-Arms never straight up
- WHY WONT HE DUNK THE BALL!?!?

Also, let's remember how much the 2023 team grew up between the end of January and beginning of April.

Expecting Reed to be Sanogo is just silly....but expecting Reed to be in top form in early February is also silly.
He was let down at his old school. We all see the potential(and the few great games), but it's going to take some time for the consistency to mold.
Reed came here because he wanted Hurley to push him hard. If Hurley can't get it out of him, no coach will...

 

[QDOG5]

What I can’t figure is why the Chicago bulls won’t give Sanogo a shot. They have nine guards on their roster after the Lavine trade AND they stink. Maybe, hopefully, after the all star game. I don’t care what any perceived limitations people have about Adama I just want to see him get a chance. I can’t actually see him because the Bulls and Blackhawks are not on tv locally.

 

[AllHusky]

Who remembers our complaints during Sanogo's soph year?

-Never passes
-Stop fading away
-Assess before you dribble
-Arms never straight up
- WHY WONT HE DUNK THE BALL!?!?

Also, let's remember how much the 2023 team grew up between the end of January and beginning of April.

Expecting Reed to be Sanogo is just silly....but expecting Reed to be in top form in early February is also silly.
He was let down at his old school. We all see the potential(and the few great games), but it's going to take some time for the consistency to mold.
Reed came here because he wanted Hurley to push him hard. If Hurley can't get it out of him, no coach will...

Those are all reasonable and thoughtful points.

We are getting past the reasonable thoughtful part of the season.

Expecting Liam to score 38 points and carry us to a win in Omaha is just silly. Right??

 

[Get a Job]

Fox was on their game, or are you serious

 

[temery]

I think @temery got a cease-and-desist letter from Fox News and changed the thread title

I change titles so they make more sense when the'ye indexed by Google and the other search engines.

 

[boog204]

I know Kalkbrenner has a few inches on Reed, but I'd like for DH & staff to make Reed sit and watch tape of him. Kalkbrenner often knows where the next pass is going before the ball even hits his hands.

I get what you're saying, but I think this is a fault of our offense not Reed and Samson. We run a few sets where our 5 gets the ball at the top of the key and the motion is set for a handoff. However, everyone knows this now. So often times we have our 5 just standing there, awkwardly, unguarded 20 feet from the hoop waiting to hand it off to the 1, 2, or 3. The set/motion is built for that handoff and its not Reed not knowing where to pass, but the set being scouted and defended. Love our staff. But I haven't seen any alteration to what we've done the last two years with a completely different team/skillset. After enough time, good coaches will gameplan and we don't seem to have adjusted.

 

[UConnSwag11]

We don’t run the same offense we did when we had Sanogo

Tough night for those 2. Were they Kalkbrennered?

I am curious as to why we are unable to get Sam free for the P&R to a lob a few times per game. Tough last night with Kalk just sitting in center field, but it was a weapon latter part of last year.

Can't figure out why Reed can't be Sanogo lite. He seems a bit slow in decision making processes, doesn't see what to do or react quickly. Are we suffering from our woes at the point?

Do neither of them possess the ability to dribble into the lane for a jumper when they are wide open? Not asking for a dribble drive, just dribbling 5-10 feet. Asked about this on the chat, someone said they are not allowed.

Sad if they truly are not capable, but I don't believe that. Can't they present some sort of challenge to the defense if they were to look for their shot, or be assertive or aggressive in some way offensively.

 

[jake14mw]

This board never appreciated how good Sanogo was. Never. It still doesn't. You could see from his freshman year that Sanogo had unique talents, stuff that most big men don't have and can't be coached to have. I think Reed was a nice pickup in the portal, but limited. I think he'll be better next year. He'll never be close to Sanogo. That's not fair to him.

 

[05Alum]

I'll say it again, those Big Ten assbags were right about Reed, Jr. He has the body. He has the game. But he does not have the engine. My own personal take on him, with zero evidence to prove it: I dont think that he is a DH guy. DH is too intense to like a guy as "up and down" as Reed, jr. Again, no evidence to support that. Just my opinion.

Reed is such a soft spoken, sweetheart of a kid. With the body and frame that could an intimidating beast. He just doesn't have that personality in him, yet. Maybe someday.

 

[80shusky]

Reed cannot be Sanogo lite because the team made a concerted effort to pass Sanogo the ball in the paint where he could do the most damage. With Reed they seem to hope the ball just falls in his hands by chance once in a while.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Reed isn't Sanogo lite because he's not nearly as good as Sanogo. This isn't complicated. Diarra isn't Isaiah Thomas lite either.

Reed is a nice player to have but he's limited. Johnson is a nice player to have but he's limited. Fortunately, between them you can mitigate limitations and enhance positives through matchups. Johnson does a good job on Kalkbrenner defensively. No center who can't shoot from outside and dribble is going to do much against Kalk. He's just a good defender at the rim.

Look at the box scores of teams that play them. The 5 doesn't do much against him except the one guy who is a bad matchup for Kalk, Dixon put up 27 (on the other hand he's too short and Kalk had 23). The best you can do if you have a Gold or Hunter Dickenson who can shoot, is pull him out and let your other guys score at the rim.

 

[RuffRuff]

Reed cannot be Sanogo lite because the team made a concerted effort to pass Sanogo the ball in the paint where he could do the most damage. With Reed they seem to hope the ball just falls in his hands by chance once in a while.

Watched some of the McNeeley highlights and there was a DHO from Tarris to Liam where Tarris rolled to the rim wide open, but didn’t throw a hand up.

McNeeley made a great move in the lane to score but Tarris would have had a dunk with a little slip pass. It’s feels like they don’t even look for him, or vice versa. Some chicken or the egg going on here, but just not in the gameplan it seems.

I don’t think Reed is limited, he’s mistake prone and that’s hard to plan around consistently. That was also his second bad game against Kalk, so not the kind of matchup you go to him.

 

[jibsey]

Footwork. Quickness.