Can't figure out why Reed can't be Sanogo lite

[AllHusky]

Thanks Yard, thread was to be titled "The Five", don't know where it went.

The consensus from reading all your reponses is that Reed needs time, of which he has another 1.25 years.

The bottom line is that we need him now(or very soon). Hope he can engage and level up!

On to "The Hall".

 

[jibsey]

Don’t overthink think this. Sanogo WANTED very much to be the best player he could be and worked harder than anyone to become that player. Reed? Without knowing him, I don’t think he has the motor needed.

Sanigo had the best footwork around. That was coaching and work but it was also physical ability to do it.

 

[AllHusky]

Sanigo had the best footwork around. That was coaching and work but it was also physical ability to do it.

Offseason(doesn't help now), Tarris can drilled to death. Footwork drills with and without the ball, with and without a defender. Work until he falls down. He'll be the best he can be.

 

[B1GEast]

Give him time. You can't expect a guy to transfer in and pick up the nuances of a new offense especially when there have been several charges in the rotation, some due to injury.

I think next year will be when he blossoms.

 

[Get a Job]

Thanks Yard, thread was to be titled "The Five", don't know where it went.

The consensus from reading all your reponses is that Reed needs time, of which he has another 1.25 years.

The bottom line is that we need him now(or very soon). Hope he can engage and level up!

On to "The Hall".

I think @temery got a cease-and-desist letter from Fox News and changed the thread title

 

[AllHusky]

I think @temery got a cease-and-desist letter from Fox News and changed the thread title

Fox was on their game, or are you serious

 

[HuskyFich]

Who remembers our complaints during Sanogo's soph year?

-Never passes
-Stop fading away
-Assess before you dribble
-Arms never straight up
- WHY WONT HE DUNK THE BALL!?!?

Also, let's remember how much the 2023 team grew up between the end of January and beginning of April.

Expecting Reed to be Sanogo is just silly....but expecting Reed to be in top form in early February is also silly.
He was let down at his old school. We all see the potential(and the few great games), but it's going to take some time for the consistency to mold.
Reed came here because he wanted Hurley to push him hard. If Hurley can't get it out of him, no coach will...

 

[QDOG5]

What I can’t figure is why the Chicago bulls won’t give Sanogo a shot. They have nine guards on their roster after the Lavine trade AND they stink. Maybe, hopefully, after the all star game. I don’t care what any perceived limitations people have about Adama I just want to see him get a chance. I can’t actually see him because the Bulls and Blackhawks are not on tv locally.

 

[AllHusky]

Who remembers our complaints during Sanogo's soph year?

-Never passes
-Stop fading away
-Assess before you dribble
-Arms never straight up
- WHY WONT HE DUNK THE BALL!?!?

Also, let's remember how much the 2023 team grew up between the end of January and beginning of April.

Expecting Reed to be Sanogo is just silly....but expecting Reed to be in top form in early February is also silly.
He was let down at his old school. We all see the potential(and the few great games), but it's going to take some time for the consistency to mold.
Reed came here because he wanted Hurley to push him hard. If Hurley can't get it out of him, no coach will...

Those are all reasonable and thoughtful points.

We are getting past the reasonable thoughtful part of the season.

Expecting Liam to score 38 points and carry us to a win in Omaha is just silly. Right??

 

[Get a Job]

Fox was on their game, or are you serious

 

[temery]

I think @temery got a cease-and-desist letter from Fox News and changed the thread title

I change titles so they make more sense when the'ye indexed by Google and the other search engines.

 

[boog204]

I know Kalkbrenner has a few inches on Reed, but I'd like for Dan Hurley & staff to make Reed sit and watch tape of him. Kalkbrenner often knows where the next pass is going before the ball even hits his hands.

I get what you're saying, but I think this is a fault of our offense not Reed and Samson. We run a few sets where our 5 gets the ball at the top of the key and the motion is set for a handoff. However, everyone knows this now. So often times we have our 5 just standing there, awkwardly, unguarded 20 feet from the hoop waiting to hand it off to the 1, 2, or 3. The set/motion is built for that handoff and its not Reed not knowing where to pass, but the set being scouted and defended. Love our staff. But I haven't seen any alteration to what we've done the last two years with a completely different team/skillset. After enough time, good coaches will gameplan and we don't seem to have adjusted.

 

[UConnSwag11]

We don’t run the same offense we did when we had Sanogo

Tough night for those 2. Were they Kalkbrennered?

I am curious as to why we are unable to get Sam free for the P&R to a lob a few times per game. Tough last night with Kalk just sitting in center field, but it was a weapon latter part of last year.

Can't figure out why Reed can't be Sanogo lite. He seems a bit slow in decision making processes, doesn't see what to do or react quickly. Are we suffering from our woes at the point?

Do neither of them possess the ability to dribble into the lane for a jumper when they are wide open? Not asking for a dribble drive, just dribbling 5-10 feet. Asked about this on the chat, someone said they are not allowed.

Sad if they truly are not capable, but I don't believe that. Can't they present some sort of challenge to the defense if they were to look for their shot, or be assertive or aggressive in some way offensively.

 

[jake14mw]

This board never appreciated how good Sanogo was. Never. It still doesn't. You could see from his freshman year that Sanogo had unique talents, stuff that most big men don't have and can't be coached to have. I think Reed was a nice pickup in the portal, but limited. I think he'll be better next year. He'll never be close to Sanogo. That's not fair to him.

 

[05Alum]

I'll say it again, those Big Ten assbags were right about Reed, Jr. He has the body. He has the game. But he does not have the engine. My own personal take on him, with zero evidence to prove it: I dont think that he is a Dan Hurley guy. Dan Hurley is too intense to like a guy as "up and down" as Reed, jr. Again, no evidence to support that. Just my opinion.

Reed is such a soft spoken, sweetheart of a kid. With the body and frame that could an intimidating beast. He just doesn't have that personality in him, yet. Maybe someday.

 

[80shusky]

Reed cannot be Sanogo lite because the team made a concerted effort to pass Sanogo the ball in the paint where he could do the most damage. With Reed they seem to hope the ball just falls in his hands by chance once in a while.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Reed isn't Sanogo lite because he's not nearly as good as Sanogo. This isn't complicated. Diarra isn't Isaiah Thomas lite either.

Reed is a nice player to have but he's limited. Johnson is a nice player to have but he's limited. Fortunately, between them you can mitigate limitations and enhance positives through matchups. Johnson does a good job on Kalkbrenner defensively. No center who can't shoot from outside and dribble is going to do much against Kalk. He's just a good defender at the rim.

Look at the box scores of teams that play them. The 5 doesn't do much against him except the one guy who is a bad matchup for Kalk, Dixon put up 27 (on the other hand he's too short and Kalk had 23). The best you can do if you have a Gold or Hunter Dickenson who can shoot, is pull him out and let your other guys score at the rim.

 

[RuffRuff]

Reed cannot be Sanogo lite because the team made a concerted effort to pass Sanogo the ball in the paint where he could do the most damage. With Reed they seem to hope the ball just falls in his hands by chance once in a while.

Watched some of the McNeeley highlights and there was a DHO from Tarris to Liam where Tarris rolled to the rim wide open, but didn’t throw a hand up.

McNeeley made a great move in the lane to score but Tarris would have had a dunk with a little slip pass. It’s feels like they don’t even look for him, or vice versa. Some chicken or the egg going on here, but just not in the gameplan it seems.

I don’t think Reed is limited, he’s mistake prone and that’s hard to plan around consistently. That was also his second bad game against Kalk, so not the kind of matchup you go to him.

 

[jibsey]

Footwork. Quickness.

 

[Drfla]

Why can't every 6'9 250lb kid with decent athleticism be Sanogo? Some people don't have the work ethic, ability to process the game, experience etc. Just part of life.

That being said, I honestly believe that Reed will be solid for us next year. He was essentially a blank slate at the beginning of this season. He needs refinement but has SO many elite pieces that just need to come together.

I think part of the problem for Reed is that the team doesn’t feed the post very effectively starting with Hass. For all he does well and you got to live his heart, but he is not good at all at feeding the post. Without getting the ball in good position to start, Reed is at a disadvantage.

 

[alphasigko]

They played better without either of them in the game sitting on the bench due to foul troubles and built the 8 point lead which began to disappear aa soon as one or the other came back in. One would think that that would provide a hint to Coach Dan.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

They played better without either on them in the fame and built the 8 point lead which began to disappear aa soon as one or the other came back in. One would think that that would provide a hint to Coach Dan.

As I said in another thread, being shorter is not an advantage in basketball, no matter how many times short people tell you it is. Big players do a lot of important things on the basketball court that a team of 6'5 wings could not do.

Alternatively, someone should confront Calhoun at the next game he is at and tell him what an idiot he was to play so many lineups with 2 or 3 of Okafor, Villanueva, Boone and Armstrong in 2004.

 

[alphasigko]

As I said in another thread, being shorter is not an advantage in basketball, no matter how many times short people tell you it is. Big players do a lot of important things on the basketball court that a team of 6'5 wings could not do.

Alternatively, someone should confront Calhoun at the next game he is at and tell him what an idiot he was to play so many lineups with 2 or 3 of Okafor, Villanueva, Boone and Armstrong in 2004.

So you are lobbying for coach to play the double Big?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

UConn didn't have a point guard or really anyone looking to pass inside. UConn had 10 assists on 26 made baskets against Creighton, and Reed was 3 of those assists. Against Marquette, with Diarra still semi-healthy, UConn had 16 assists on 25 made baskets, and Johnson and Reed both had good games. Don't blame their lack of scoring on them if no one gets them the ball.

On defense, it is pretty simple. If the perimeter defense is playing better, our centers will foul less. If it isn't, the centers will foul more. The issue with Creighton was compounded by having to defend one of the best centers in the country, although most of the fouls were in help. Reed just kind of stunk it up defensively against Creighton. I wouldn't make a strategic shift every time someone has a bad game.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

So you are lobbying for coach to play the double Big?

I would rather see 2 bigs than some of the lineups that have played extended minutes, particularly when McNeeley was out. I think playing 2 bigs actually results in more and better 3 point attempts for your better 3 point shooters. 4 out offenses are easy to recover against, and we don't have 4 shooters on the court all the time that I want shooting 3's over getting more inside shots. Ball, McNeeley and Stewart are the only 3 players shooting over 35% from 3, and Stewart is terrible defensively. Johnson is shooting 79% from 2 and Reed is shooting 65% from 2. Shouldn't those two be shooting more instead of more mediocre 3 point attempts?

 

[alphasigko]

I would rather see 2 bigs than some of the lineups that have played extended minutes, particularly when McNeeley was out. I think playing 2 bigs actually results in more and better 3 point attempts for your better 3 point shooters. 4 out offenses are easy to recover against, and we don't have 4 shooters on the court all the time that I want shooting 3's over getting more inside shots. Ball, McNeeley and Stewart are the only 3 players shooting over 35% from 3, and Stewart is terrible defensively. Johnson is shooting 79% from 2 and Reed is shooting 65% from 2. Shouldn't those two be shooting more instead of more mediocre 3 point attempts?

I cannot disagree and would also like to see the dbl big at least some of the time. Unfortunately, given their propensity to foul they just might foul out sooner than later. Then Coach would have to be OK with giving Singare more playing time (which I also support).

 

[SubbaBub]

Doesn't defend one on one as well, recover as well on defense or score as well in the post.

That's not a knock, he should be getting more minutes and more of the ball if he can stay on the floor. Hurley clearly trusts him not to foul as much as Johnson, but he isn't as good as Sanogo.

Still a good player and an excellent portal pick up. Michigan was dumb letting him go.

 

[Hoophound]

Reed has so much talent. He just didn’t develop at all at Michigan. He’s gonna be a late bloomer.

 

[RuffRuff]

Doesn't defend one on one as well, recover as well on defense or score as well in the post.

That's not a knock, he should be getting more minutes and more of the ball if he can stay on the floor. Hurley clearly trusts him not to foul as much as Johnson, but he isn't as good as Sanogo.

Still a good player and an excellent portal pick up. Michigan was dumb letting him go.

They got Wolf and Goldin, they’re doing ok at the 5.

 

[DogMania]

The problem was when Johnson or Reed were on the floor Kalkbrenner was able to just park under the hoop as Johnson and Reed do not present any threat outside of the paint. Once we went small and Kalkbrenner had to defend the free throw extended the middle opened to allow for PNR and attacking the rim.

Everytime Johnson and Reed got the ball at the top there was a good 8-10 feet of open space that Kalkbrenner did not have to guard.

I don't know why either didn't turn, take one or two dribbles towards the basket and take a short J. Often there was about 6 feet or more open court right up the middle. At worst, take two power dribbles and one hard upfake and see if they can draw a foul on Kalk.