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UConnSwag11 said:
touche on melo, but if you read and look durant was the best, especially how he took over games and averaged a double double
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you mean how melo carried cuse to the national title? that kind of taking over? lol! im not disagreeing with you KD was incredible but he hasnt been the only dominant frosh.
 
Say what you want about our fanbase, but at least we're fair; we will dog every single player on the roster. Shabazz, Roscoe, Alex, Andre, Niels... watch out DeAndre, Ryan, etc.
 
just to add to my point about AD. AD im not worried about. im worried about Alex. not liking what im seeing from him at all so far. he needs to concentrate on what he does best blocking shots,rebounding and scoring off of the offensive boards. thats AO game and when hes at his best.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
you mean how melo carried cuse to the national title? that kind of taking over? lol! im not disagreeing with you KD was incredible but he hasnt been the only dominant frosh.
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lol i forgot about melo but i was saying durant did more with less... both are greats... hopefully we have the next, daniels reminds me a lot of durant, length the way he runs the floor and most of all his shot
 
UConnSwag11 said:
lol i forgot about melo but i was saying durant did more with less... both are greats... hopefully we have the next, daniels reminds me a lot of durant, length the way he runs the floor and most of all his shot
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im very excited about DD. we all know hes going to be good but i cant wait to see how good. is he going to be closer to rudy gay or caron?
 
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UCONNFAN179 said:
Take off your blue and white glasses and you can't be impressed given the hype... He's the highest ranked recruit ever at UConn, people here were saying that he'd be better than Sullinger from OSU or Zeller at UNC this year, how he'd dominate the kid from KY, he's on the player of the year list, etc. That's all a joke. He's got some nice physical tools, but that's it. He has no clue how to play.

I'm glad we have him for depth but he's certainly not as advertised I know it's only been 4 games and he'll get better but he may have cost himself some serious cash being exposed at this level. I'm much more impressed with DD.
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The bolded says it all.
 
61cygni said:
Say what you want about our fanbase, but at least we're fair; we will dog every single player on the roster. Shabazz, Roscoe, Alex, Andre, Niels... watch out DeAndre, Ryan, etc.
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I don't know if this is being fair or just showing how spoiled/entitled we are as fans... we complain about 4 different guys when we beat a team by 17.... and oh yeah, just won our 15th game in a row... and oh yeah, have a stud back up PG 2 games from making his debut...

people just can't be happy with the bright spots and trust that JC will work out the wrinkles as the season progresses... people tend to forget we have a team primarily made up of freshmen and sophomores... our expectations are so high (rightfully so) that we will get on anyone... in a way, no one is above criticism, but in another, we are very spoiled because there's only 200 minutes. While I've argued about how many minutes certain guys will get (Roscoe), we all have to realize that we have a bunch of guys who would be playing 35 minutes on any other team in the country.... but we have loads of talent so every game you're gonna have a different set of guys who step up and have good games depending on foul trouble, matchups, hot hands, etc.

To answer the OP about drummond, yes he has been overhyped if you're looking at his production through 4 games in college, but I think we all realized it wasn't going to be an Andre Drummond 20/10 show every night... If he averages close to 10/7 or thereabouts this season with all the other weapons we have, I would say that's a productive year for the FRESHMAN... If he wanted to average 20/10 he could've gone to KState and become the reincarnation of Michael Beasley... (different player, but you get the point) if he wants to help UCONN win a 4th NC, he will do what JC asks him to and start to realize his potential throughout the season...
 
TheChamps990411 said:
just to add to my point about AD. AD im not worried about. im worried about Alex. not liking what im seeing from him at all so far. he needs to concentrate on what he does best blocking shots,rebounding and scoring off of the offensive boards. thats AO game and when hes at his best.
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How can you be more worried about a guy that was a key part of a National Title team than you are about a freshman? AO played to his competition all of last year too. He played well in a lot of big spots. I won't be too concerned about how he is doing right now. And for the record I'm not concerned about AD just yet either. If he doesn't show improvement by the end of the OOC schedule then it could be a bumpy ride come Big East play, but until then I won't be concerned.
 
UCONNFAN179 said:
Take off your blue and white glasses and you can't be impressed given the hype... He's the highest ranked recruit ever at UConn, people here were saying that he'd be better than Sullinger from OSU or Zeller at UNC this year, how he'd dominate the kid from KY, he's on the player of the year list, etc. That's all a joke. He's got some nice physical tools, but that's it. He has no clue how to play.

I'm glad we have him for depth but he's certainly not as advertised I know it's only been 4 games and he'll get better but he may have cost himself some serious cash being exposed at this level. I'm much more impressed with DD.
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STFU Donnie
 
UCONNFAN179 said:
ok if you're willing to concede he's not sullinger or zeller or davis or zeller right now, thats all I'm saying. If you expected the nbr 1 recruit in th country to get 4 points and 2 rebounds vs Coppin St... and you're satisfied cause the season is not over and you know he will get better, more power to you. All I was conveying is given the unbelievable hype surrounding the kid, I expected him to be more of a presence out of the gate. He's clearly not what was advertised... at least not yet. Hopefully he's a fast learner.
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The problem is with your expectations, not ours and not even the media's. Most analysts expected AD to struggle and need time to adjust. If you knew anything about AD you would have realized that he barely averaged over 20 Pts/game in HS. He was rahked high because of his potential.

So speaking for myself, NO, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU!!! I expect him to be a force by the end of the regular season and be among the best big men in the country. If he returns for his sophomore season, he's going to hzve a monster year. Based on what he has shown he's capable of so far, albeit inconsistently, he's in no way a over hyped. He's simply not living up to your unrealistic expectations, that's all.

Oh and if your a fan, what's your point even bringing this up. You're tearing down one of our own and we're only 4 games into the season.
 
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jleves said:
Honestly, I'd rather you mispelled out of ignorance than call the kid hack - I'd have less distaste for an accident than an insult.
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Yeah I guess JC insulted him too when he sat him down to start the 2nd half. He was awful today.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Yeah I guess JC insulted him too when he sat him down to start the 2nd half. He was awful today.
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The difference is that JC can do what he needs to do to get kids to play and he would punch you in the face for calling his player a hack.
 
mets1090 said:
How can you be more worried about a guy that was a key part of a National Title team than you are about a freshman? AO played to his competition all of last year too. He played well in a lot of big spots. I won't be too concerned about how he is doing right now. And for the record I'm not concerned about AD just yet either. If he doesn't show improvement by the end of the OOC schedule then it could be a bumpy ride come Big East play, but until then I won't be concerned.
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did you read my post or just the first line? i said i was worried about AO not that he was going to be a bust or not show up for the whole season. my worry is that he hasnt shown any improvement in his post game from last year and has really gotten away from the things he does best. im worried that he may not be a better player than he was at the end of last season and will continue to be inconsistent which he has shown in his first two seasons and so far this year. he is now one of our most important pieces and he is vital to this teams success and cannot continue to be inconsistent if this team expects to repeat.
im less worried about AD because hes a freshmen whos going to go through typical freshmen growing pains but any one can see his talent is immense and if he puts in the hard work he will be a very good player for us. that being said if he does turn out to be a "bust" i think uconn can still win the title especially with the improvement of olander and daniels breaking into the lineup.
 
The IQ of this board fell off a table somewhere along the way.
 
I'm late to the table and am too tired to read through the whole thead.

Are we in agreement or not?
 
TheChamps990411 said:
you mean how melo carried cuse to the national title? that kind of taking over? lol! im not disagreeing with you KD was incredible but he hasnt been the only dominant frosh.
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Kenny Anderson. Ridiculous from day one.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
I'm late to the table and am too tired to read through the whole thead.

Are we in agreement or not?
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According to Fishy, you are the only one currently at the table.
 
His defense is as advertised, but his work ethic is as advertised as well :/

Hope to see him function more naturally in the post instead of forcing up some wild shots. It looks like he's almost trying to push the ball into the net.
 
hungry husky said:
Hope to see him function more naturally in the post instead of forcing up some wild shots. It looks like he's almost trying to push the ball into the net.
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It looks like he releases every shot like most people release a floater
 
UCONNFAN179 said:
For those of you who think I'm a troll, I'm not. I am as big a UConn fan as anyone here. For those of you saying I know nothing about JC and UConn basketball, you're wrong. I've likely been following UConn far longer than you. For those of you who said no one said he'd avg a dbl dbl or be better than Zeller or Sullinger or the kid from KY, do a search on your own threads. There were a ton of comments saying just that.

I asked if the kid was overhyped. Unless you're blind, the answer is a resounding YES. Someone on the player of the year list, a consensus top 5 recruit, a 6'10 270 lb freak athlete that struggles vs the likes of Columbia and Coppin ST is Raw beyond definition.

Do I think he'll get better... of course. Am I glad we have him... heck yea. He could be the best player in college..., someday....some day.

But my question was... can we agree he was overhyped? As a consensus nbr 1 or 2 recruit, I think that's been answered. He's no Sullinger, or Zeller now...far from it. If your answer is, judge him in Feb., you're proving my point. I'll be glad to give odds he's not a national player of the year....heck he'll probably struggle for freshman of the year on his own team.

Does that mean we don't want him... heck no. But des it mean he was overhyped,... not his fault, but ummmmm... yes. The kid has an awful LOT to learn.
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I think the only thing we can all agree on is this is a really ignorant post. The "hype" you speak of is your own. He has so many things to learn as we can allsee but anyone who believes any freshman, no matter where his ranking is coming out of HS, is going to average a double-double is not thinking straight. Sullinger is a different cat, a matured player who was ready to hit the court and make an impact. Andre is a better athlete than him but already shows he was able to dominate against smaller foes while playing out of position too often, in other words away from the basket. His foul trouble has added to his early, very early, season woes mostly because he is now learning to play help defense against bigger, stronger athletes than last year and prior. He reaches too much because he was allowed to in the past but he'll learn as he'll get sick of the bench. He's a stud waiting to happen but how quick noone knows. FT shooting and footwork needs to improve and he will have good games and some stinkers - he's a freshman.

Answer = NO he's not overhyped, he's a kid learning the game under JC. I feel pretty damn good about what the results will be!!!
 
The reality is that Calhoun is more interested in reconstructing AD into a great player than in just turning him loose "as is". It's why few freshmen look great at UConn compared to say Kentucky. Drummond isn't close to a finished product, but he is having an impact, despite the mask.
 
Undoubtedly correct. Any big man who dominated the high school competition by size alone will usually have a substantial period of adjustment to elevate his offensive game to rely more on his skills. In the D1 game size alone is not enough. Sullinger in high school exhibited passing, and a pretty niceoutside game to go with his size. My understanding from the pre-UConn reports was that AD had similar skills.

Maybe he does. In game #4 of his college career I'm not prepared to issue a conclusion. I do believe new team mates, a new coach and system, and that unusual mask all contribute to any player's entry onto the D1 stage. I'm prepared to give AD substantial time to adjust and to become the contributor we all seek.

Patience!!
 
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hungry husky said:
His defense is as advertised, but his work ethic is as advertised as well :/

Hope to see him function more naturally in the post instead of forcing up some wild shots. It looks like he's almost trying to push the ball into the net.
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I'd bet that within 2 or 3 games of the mask coming off he scores 20 or 30 depending on how well the other team defends him.
 
Sullinger: 19 and 14; 26 and 10; 11 and 8; 8 and 8 averaging about 27 minutes
A Davis: 11 and 9; 3 and 6; 14 and 6; 23 and 10 averaging about 25 minutes
Oden: 14 and 10; 16 and 4; 14 and 11; 18 and 9 averaging about 26 minutes

Drummond has had a rougher start than the 3 above, but is also not the focal point of the team. Someone also mentioned Zeller.

Tyler Zeller: 18 and 2; 2 and 1; 2 an 3; 2 and 2 in 14 minutes about
John Henson: 4 and 1; 4 and 3; 4 and 6; 2 and 2 in about 10 minutes
 
Haven't we seen enough of this to know that no freshman, particularly a big man, is going to come in and dominate in his first 4 games on a Calhoun-coached team? I can think of only 1 or two exceptions to that rule.
 
UCONN fans overhype a recruit? That never happens...At least there wasn't a video of Drummond dunking over a chair!

In fact, he is about where figured he would be as a freshman. Totally different level of competition from any he has played before. And big men rarely dominate as freshmen. I figured he would be used mostly off the bench this year. Probably average 15-20 minutes a game. Next year he'll be ready to take a leading role. Now lots of people don't think he'll be here next year, but I do. He'll be a much better player in the long run if he stays.
 
no no no

I can't say a kid is over hyped after 4 games, any kid anywhere, but especially a Jim Calhoun kid

do you know anything about JC's history? I'm thinking no no no
 
You also have to look at who's around him... did the 2006-2007 Ohio State team have two frontcourt players like Olander and Oriakhi? Nope. The second best rebounder on Ohio State was a 6'5" guard who averaged 4.3 rebounds per game. Michael Beasley's Kansas State team? A 6'6" shooting guard who averaged 6.5 rebounds per game. We are absolutely stacked at SF/PF... there's just not that many rebounds to go around... we also have a ton of scoring. If AD came into a weak team, or a team without as much frontcourt depth I think his numbers would look a little different.
 
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