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I put this in as part of another post, but there were no takers.

Unless there is an injury, we probably will not see Nebrich this year. He has played some, but can he still redshirt??
 
No, he can't. You are currently enjoying an impressive display of blowing redshirts left and right for no reason.
 
I would like somebody to second the motion. There was a game where he went in for two plays. Can't believe that PP & Co. are not tracking this.
 
The only way to redshirt after playing a snap is to take a medical redshirt, I believe. Even that, though, you lose the option after you've appeared in more than 2 games.

It may be a complete waste of a year eligibility, but it still will use a year of eligibility.
 
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i don't think passing on the redshirt is a bad idea. i can't remember the last time we had a starting QB last the entire season, and the way McEntee runs and "slides" i doubt he'll break our streak. i'd actually like to see Nebrich continue to get a drive or two a game even with McEntee established as the number one, so he can get some experience for when we do need him. besides, if McEntee continues as the starter next season we can always RS Nebrich next year.
 
mattp said:
i don't think passing on the redshirt is a bad idea. i can't remember the last time we had a starting QB last the entire season, and the way McEntee runs and "slides" i doubt he'll break our streak. i'd actually like to see Nebrich continue to get a drive or two a game even with McEntee established as the number one, so he can get some experience for when we do need him. besides, if McEntee continues as the starter next season we can always RS Nebrich next year.
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Can you imagine being Nebrich--hardly playing this year, and then being red-shirted the following year........I'd be going crazy. Frankly, I think I would transfer.
 
shakes65 said:
Can you imagine being Nebrich--hardly playing this year, and then being red-shirted the following year........I'd be going crazy. Frankly, I think I would transfer.
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I think Nebrich has more character than you are giving him credit for. He is a competitor. He came here early to compete for the job. He won't quit on the team. When you face obstacles you work even harder, not transfer.
 
Look -- I'm not happy with being 2-4 with this team, but P has only used 3 true frosh. We've used more than that plenty of years. And, as someone said, they can always be redshirted next year if we have more proven depth at TB, QB or WR.

You can't criticize someone for not winning and then criticize him for doing everything he views as possible to get them. Well, I guess you can, but not if you're going to be fair.
 
shakes65 said:
Can you imagine being Nebrich--hardly playing this year, and then being red-shirted the following year........I'd be going crazy. Frankly, I think I would transfer.
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not if it's to sit a year until the starter graduates. it's one thing if you're doing it and there's a younger kid ahead of you, but if you're waiting for a starter to graduate what's the difference between RSing the first or second year?

ideally we could RS every freshman, but i think since Box transferred, a lack of depth at QB probably would have necessitated playing Nebrich at some point regardless of whether he was named starter.
 
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mattp said:
i don't think passing on the redshirt is a bad idea. i can't remember the last time we had a starting QB last the entire season, and the way McEntee runs and "slides" i doubt he'll break our streak. i'd actually like to see Nebrich continue to get a drive or two a game even with McEntee established as the number one, so he can get some experience for when we do need him. besides, if McEntee continues as the starter next season we can always RS Nebrich next year.
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I don't understand why anyone thinks this way (sorry). You can burn a redshirt later on, if there is an injury. I'd rather keep the option open, instead of what has ended up happening.

Nebrich not redshirting has been one of the key headscratchers of this year. Maybe RE promised he would "see the field" as a frosh? Who knows...
 
huskysupporter said:
I think Nebrich has more character than you are giving him credit for. He is a competitor. He came here early to compete for the job. He won't quit on the team. When you face obstacles you work even harder, not transfer.
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Wasn't this how people were talking about Michael Box just a year or so ago?

BTW, I agree M Nebrich should have been red shirted. This year thus far has been a waste.
 
When Box left, we lost our depth at QB and Nebrich had to lose his redshirt. It is obvious the coaches don't think McCummings is an everyday QB. So there is no one behind McEntee. My guess is the coaches didn't want to roll the dice that McEntee wouldn't completely suck or get injured, then they would have to bring in a true freshman with no game experience. They got him some experience in case he needed to come in for McEntee.

If McEntee goes down, Nebrich is the next guy in, not McCummings.

Same thing next year...there is no way he can red shirt. Unless something changes with McCummings, Nebrich will be the starter or back up next year, which means he will have to get some game experience.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
When Box left, we lost our depth at QB and Nebrich had to lose his redshirt. It is obvious the coaches don't think McCummings is an everyday QB. So there is no one behind McEntee. My guess is the coaches didn't want to roll the dice that McEntee wouldn't completely suck or get injured, then they would have to bring in a true freshman with no game experience. They got him some experience in case he needed to come in for McEntee.

If McEntee goes down, Nebrich is the next guy in, not McCummings.

Same thing next year...there is no way he can red shirt. Unless something changes with McCummings, Nebrich will be the starter or back up next year, which means he will have to get some game experience.
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Bingo. Nebrich will have opportunity to red shirt anyone of the next 3 years. Chances are though, that if he continues to improve in practices, he'll be a starter next year.

Remember, according to P, this kid is running both offensive packages that are in place for McEntee and McCummings.

It all depends on how hard he works, and how well he shows improvement over the next year, but I don't see how if the kid is showing consistent improvement and playing well, how he's not going to win the starting job next year......there's just a lot more you can do on offensive with a kid like that back there taking snaps.

And, at this point in time, he's never more than 1 snap away from becoming the guy anyway.

If things had gone differently with the QBs recruited ahead of Nebrich, there's no doubt that he gets the shirt this year. Didn't happen that way.

I fully expect to Cochran to be wearing the red shirt next year.
 
Carl Spackler said:
Bingo. Nebrich will have opportunity to red shirt anyone of the next 3 years. Chances are though, that if he continues to improve in practices, he'll be a starter next year.

Remember, according to P, this kid is running both offensive packages that are in place for McEntee and McCummings.

It all depends on how hard he works, and how well he shows improvement over the next year, but I don't see how if the kid is showing consistent improvement and playing well, how he's not going to win the starting job next year......there's just a lot more you can do on offensive with a kid like that back there taking snaps.

And, at this point in time, he's never more than 1 snap away from becoming the guy anyway.

If things had gone differently with the QBs recruited ahead of Nebrich, there's no doubt that he gets the shirt this year. Didn't happen that way.

I fully expect to Cochran to be wearing the red shirt next year.
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These last two posts were very well thought out and worded. Cudos to the posters for seeing clearly. I can assure you Michael has been working very hard, doing very well, and is still enjoying the ride. Thank you for your continued support!
 
nebrich said:
These last two posts were very well thought out and worded. Cudos to the posters for seeing clearly. I can assure you Michael has been working very hard, doing very well, and is still enjoying the ride. Thank you for your continued support!
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Thank you for coming to this forum and interjecting the perspective from the players point of view. Sometimes we are unable to control our emotional needs and our vitriol comes at the expense of players and coaches. There should be coaching on self discipline.:)

Hopefully you have the ability to handle our occasional tantrums.
 
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I'm of the opinion that Pasqualoni desperately wanted Nebrich to get the starting job. I think that was the thinking behind using him earlier in the year. It wasn't so he'd be experienced in case of injury. Since he didn't, for a combination of reasons I suspect, we are where we are and he has now blown the redshirt. I still odn't get how this staff with all its experience, and with Joe Moorehead staying around, didn't go out and try and land a JUCO. Even a late JUCO signed after the bigger names were gone, could have added to this offense. I just don't get the thinking on Box and McCummings both of whom were clearly limited. Ah well. Lots of things I don't get about this staff. I'm not ready to dump them, but I really don't understand a lot of their decisions.
 
Why was it a waste? It is October, we are half way thru the season. What happens, if god forbid, McEntee gets hurt this week or next game? I'd much rather have a kid run off of the sideline having some experience playing D1 football than the opposite. Can we wait until December to determine what mistakes were made to red shirts, playing time, etc.? If so, maybe we could stop assuming what the coaches are thinking, how players are reacting, which players have been written off, etc. I think Mike came here to be on the field not hold a clip board.
 
Someone answer this....Johnny Mac is a Redshirt Jr and an academic SR....any word on him planning on staying to play another year? He was a walk-on and I assume he's been given a scholarship?
 
huskysupporter said:
I think Nebrich has more character than you are giving him credit for. He is a competitor. He came here early to compete for the job. He won't quit on the team. When you face obstacles you work even harder, not transfer.
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This is correct. The kid is a freshman and seems to be the future, so I don't think that he will decide to leave because he did not play. He knows that he has to wait.
 
It was a waste because you can always use a kid, even if you originally planned to redshirt him, if you need him later in the season. And it isn't like he's had all this experience. A few plays here and there. If we need to use him, he'll pick up a comparable amount of experience in his first couple of series. Here's the thing. If he ahd been redshirted, then its likely Box stays around and we have McEntee backed up by Box and McCummings. Nebrich learns the system, gets acclamated to the college game and is ready to take over next year andwe have a starter for the next 4 years if he turns out to be what everyone thought he might be. In my view, the way the quarterback situation was handled may actually have hurt his development,aand even if it didn't, it likely wasted a year. As I said in August, and I stand by it, barring an injury, Nebrich should only have seen the field this year if he was clearly superior to the other alternatives. 99% of the time, a quarterback is far more valuable as a 5th year senior than as a true freshman. At this point in the season it is pretty clear that the coaching staff was not convinced that Nebrich was the best option. He was clearly NOT superior to the others. Every effort should have been made to allow him to redshirt.
 
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As of yet neither Johnny or Hinkley have been given schollies for this year. That is a big diff between RE and PP. You could almost count on at least 1 or 2 walkon would be given available scholarships for thier last year nevermind guys that earned playing time. As a reward for working hard through thier first 3 years a la Yurek, Molina etal. these were typically ones given up by departing players and does hurt future recruiting.
 
I wonder how often Nebrich thinks about the prophetic BC coach who recruited him last year?
 
CTEagle said:
I wonder how often Nebrich thinks about the prophetic BC coach who recruited him last year?
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Nice way to spin a slimy action into something "prescient".
 
freescooter said:
It was a waste because you can always use a kid, even if you originally planned to redshirt him, if you need him later in the season. And it isn't like he's had all this experience. A few plays here and there. If we need to use him, he'll pick up a comparable amount of experience in his first couple of series. Here's the thing. If he ahd been redshirted, then its likely Box stays around and we have McEntee backed up by Box and McCummings. Nebrich learns the system, gets acclamated to the college game and is ready to take over next year andwe have a starter for the next 4 years if he turns out to be what everyone thought he might be. In my view, the way the quarterback situation was handled may actually have hurt his development,aand even if it didn't, it likely wasted a year. As I said in August, and I stand by it, barring an injury, Nebrich should only have seen the field this year if he was clearly superior to the other alternatives. 99% of the time, a quarterback is far more valuable as a 5th year senior than as a true freshman. At this point in the season it is pretty clear that the coaching staff was not convinced that Nebrich was the best option. He was clearly NOT superior to the others. Every effort should have been made to allow him to redshirt.
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You're saying a lot in there that I don't think you've got really anything to go on beside whatever your own thought process is.

These coaches went through their red shirt determinations a long time ago and Nebrich didn't fit a red shirt, and he still doesn't. The only way Nebrich would have had a shirt this year is if Endres was still on the roster, and when Box left (which clearly means that Nebrich was better than at least one of the four QB's on the roster) any shot of a red shirt left with him.

Are you seriously advocating going through a 12 game college football season with 2 QB's in McEntee and McCummings, and Driscoll?

You think that guys like Pasqualoni, DeLeone, and Brown are rookies at making red shirt determinations? Do you know when you actually do that kind of thing during the course of football year?

If there's anything you can be confident about when it comes to this coachign staff right now, it's in their ability to recruit for a football program sitting in the middle of Connecticut, and their ability to determine if a player is capable and ready to compete at te level necessary to play against the opponents we've got lined up.

Nebrich worked hard enough, and improved enough from January to August 2011 not to wear a red shirt. How in the hell is this hurting his development as a QB?

P.S. Have you seen what Edsall is doing to the QB's in Maryland?
 
Carl Spackler said:
You're saying a lot in there that I don't think you've got really anything to go on beside whatever your own thought process is.

These coaches went through their red shirt determinations a long time ago and Nebrich didn't fit a red shirt, and he still doesn't. The only way Nebrich would have had a shirt this year is if Endres was still on the roster, and when Box left (which clearly means that Nebrich was better than at least one of the four QB's on the roster) any shot of a red shirt left with him.

Are you seriously advocating going through a 12 game college football season with 2 QB's in McEntee and McCummings, and Driscoll?

You think that guys like Pasqualoni, DeLeone, and Brown are rookies at making red shirt determinations? Do you know when you actually do that kind of thing during the course of football year?

If there's anything you can be confident about when it comes to this coachign staff right now, it's in their ability to recruit for a football program sitting in the middle of Connecticut, and their ability to determine if a player is capable and ready to compete at te level necessary to play against the opponents we've got lined up.

Nebrich worked hard enough, and improved enough from January to August 2011 not to wear a red shirt. How in the hell is this hurting his development as a QB?

P.S. Have you seen what Edsall is doing to the QB's in Maryland?
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Carl,

I didn't say any of that. I said that Nebrich should have redshirted this year. he clearly isn't the best quarterback and now he's wasted a whole year in order to prove what the coaches knew by the first Saturday in Sedptember, because if they thought he was the best, he, not McEntee would have played most of the Fordham game and most of the Vandy and every other game. It was a waste of a season if all he gets used is a handful of series this year. Now deciding to redshirt him doesn't mean that in case of an injury he won't get into a game if you need him. Saying you want to redshirt a player doesn't mean you can't change your mind midway through the season. But this is a player that many think could be the future of the program. He has played something like 15 plays in 3 games. so now he has 3 years remaining. Assuming he earns the starting job next year, and turns out as good as some think he will, we've wasted an entire season so he could get 15 plays from scrimmage. to me, it was a foolish decision by Pasqualoni and DeLeone and one they should have known better than to have made. I can think of no good reason why they would waste a whole year of eligibility on 15 plays. As I said back in August, a 5th year senior quarterback is of more value than the same player as a true freshman. They SHOULD have gone into the season with MacEntee as the starter, backed up by McCummings and if MacEntee didn't cut it, or got hurt you can always re-visit the Nebrich redshirt issue. Let the kid learn in practice and holding a clipboard until you need him. If things go well, you never need him. And you have 4 full seasons of play from your most important player.

I'm at a loss as to what Edsall and maryland have to do with this decision, for what it is worth.
 
I don't see how anyone can think it would make sense to try and redshirt your QB2 -- if he gets called into action in week 8 or 9 and hasn't played a down, you'd all be calling that stupid coaching.... it's clear the staff does not see mccummings as an everydown qb so redshirting nebrich was off the table when box left...
 
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